So we are clear;

No one lost the opportunity or access for birth control today

Some should get medicine paid for and its constitutional

Others should not and it's still constitutional to pay for the medicine of one class, but not others

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The right did exist though. The right has been taken away. There really is no other way to look at it. If you want to argue the right was not Constitutional then go ahead. The court agreed. However, that doesn't mean it didn't exist. The rights of a corporation were found to be more important than the rights of the employees.
I don't know what this question means.

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You are the only one bringing that up.

Let me use a different example. Currently, everyone in this country has the right to walk into an ER and get emergency care even with no medical insurance. If that was changed, and the Supreme Court ruled that it was legal to do so, then a right was lost. It doesn't matter that someone could then pay for their own ER visit. They still lost the right to care that they had been granted. The fact that another alternative that isn't as good still exists doesn't change it.
What?

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Actually there is. They tried to make a right, and our government worked the way it's supposed to.

The right didn't pass muster legally. It happens all of the time. At an increasingly alarming rate though, for an administration run by someone that claims to have been a constitutional scholar.

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It did take a right away from a worker though. You have to acknowledge the fact that someone was losing a right here. I understand that you seem to think this was a great victory but it's just logical that this "victory" came at the expense of the worker who would have had something as important as birth control covered by their insurance.

I just hope Hobby Lobby goes all in and starts denying medical coverage to unmarried mothers!

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That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

No one lost a right here.

The employee can still choose to use birth control.

Hobby Lobby is not required to pay for it. Like it has always been in this country.

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Did you do any real reading on this Brick?

Because Hobby Lobby has NO PROBLEM with most of the birth control options.

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Do they cover abortions?

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Not always. Obamacare was the law.

Part of it was struck down, but it certainly was a right that was granted.

At this point, it seems like you just keep on holding on to that mostly useless and misleading thought.

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Is abortion birth control?

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I don't think that part of the law ever went into effect.

The whole thing has changed so many times I'm not sure the govt. can keep track.

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I don't really care what they find to be acceptable. I don't think that matters.

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So that's a no.

And a good place to end it.

Exactly where the POTUS started it all after giving Bart Stupak his word that he would never do such a thing.

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The law was passed. It was a right that was granted. It was reversed today.

This is still pointless semantics.

Someone lost a right here. Either Hobby Lobby lost it's right to choose to not pay for something because of a corporation having religious beliefs or the employees lost the right to have their insurance cover birth control.

I find it sad that a bunch of corporate executives have the right to deny covering something as basic and useful as birth control. You seem to be very happy that the workers of Hobby Lobby have been saved from the horror of insurance backed birth control.

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There is no right in any part of our Constitution, as presently made up, that gives someone the right to have their birth control paid for. None.

If the employees of Hobby Lobby can't afford the $5 a month price at Walmart, Planned Parenthood gladly will help them.

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For an organization that hates the gays, they sure picked some gay ass uniforms.

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Don't make me explain that there is a difference between a right and a Constitutional right. That is why we have two different terms for them.
I feel much more sorry for the employees than I do the executives who would have had to live with the fact that someone is using their company insurance to buy a $5 a month medicine. Those poor executives would have had to pray the birth control away really hard.

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So reading the BRick and Seacrest thing I come away with the idea that no one actually lost access to birth control, i.e. it isn't banned outright. The only thing that was lost was the act of having someone else pay for it.

YES/NO

Again Brick.

Where is the right for employer paid birth control derived from?

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Congratulations Someguy. You have seen through the big lie.

And they didn't rule on whether you have to pay for my medication. Yet.

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The religious rights of a corporation were considered more important than the rights of an individual.

I don't know why it always goes to "birth control was not banned".

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Technically, yes.

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Will they pay me to pull out and skeet skeet skeet on her breasts?

From the law that was passed that mandated it.

It's not that hard of a concept. A law was passed that granted a right. That right was taken away and part of the law was changed by the SCOTUS.

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MYTH: Women are using abortion as a method of birth control.

In fact, half of all women getting abortions report that contraception was used during the month they became pregnant.1 Some of these couples had used the method improperly; some had forgotten or neglected to use it on the particular occasion they conceived; and some had used a contraceptive that failed. No contraceptive method prevents pregnancy 100% of the time.

If abortion were used as a primary method of birth control, a typical woman would have at least two or three pregnancies per year - 30 or more during her lifetime. In fact, most women who have abortions have had no previous abortions (52%) or only one previous abortion (26%).5 Considering that most women are fertile for over 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.



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Washington, DC 20036
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Writer: Susan Dudley, PhD

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The SCOTUS doesn't change laws.

I honestly don't think you understand how this worked.

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Classify it however you want. Obamacare is immediately changed based on the ruling today.
You wouldn't be concentrating on weak semantical arguments if you actually believed that.

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Honestly, you don't seem to grasp how the legal system works in this country.

The Legislative branch passed a law.

The Executive Branch added a legal clause, in this case birth control, and claimed it was constitutional.

The Judicial Branch said, "No, it is not."

Like it or not, that is how it is supposed to work in this country.

A law is not correct just because a POTUS says so. Thank God.

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