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You are the boards #1 Chus stalker, by a country mile.

Actually, you're the boards one and only Chus stalker.

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The right didn't really pass muster legally :wink: . It happens all of the time :wink: :wink: :wink: . At an increasingly alarming rate though, for a Court with a poor grasp of the Law...as opposed to the politics they follow.


Fixed.

Damn Activist Judges...


I don't think you understand what happened here.

By executive order, the POTUS claimed that you had a constitutional right to have SOMEONE ELSE pay for YOUR birth control.

You are a lawyer I believe.

Kindly point to where you believe that the constitution gives you that right.


This strawman argument is beneath you. You clearly understand that this is about a group of hypocritically conservative, largely Catholic middle to older aged men have allowed their questionable religious beliefs (such as they are :wink: ) to trump the rights under law of lower income women. It is nothing more than judicial activism playing out to appease religious zealotry. It is nothing more than another chipping away at the fair & progressive policies that empowered many in this country over the last 50-70 years.

Just like the even more heinous union busting case decision that also came down...but is conveniently being ignored.

Kindly point to where the constitution gives you most rights you enjoy today. As noted countless times above you can't. Hell, this case is largely bs as I understand that Hobby Lobby actually provided most of the same insurance coverage until just before it was time to file their case & scream religious persecution (or as many here call it, playing the victim card). They didn't have a problem until yet another group of conservative religious zealots told them they (as the least restrictive type of legal actor here) should....for the greater right wing good. :)

Ask Scalia & his merry band of original intent con men where they get most of their logic and basis for finding heretofore imaginary constitutional standing for corporation's rights as a citizen or to permit the practice of their religious beliefs to the detriment of actual flesh and blood Americans. They can't, and therefore will long be known as a group of the worst Justices in American history.



So there is nothing you can cite other than your personal bigotry toward Catholics?

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In the majority opinion written by Justice Alito, he specifies that the ruling applies only to the contraceptive mandate, and states that it should not be understood to include to other insurance mandates, like those for blood transfusions or vaccinations.
This may be the worst part of the whole decision. They have to actively state that this ruling should not be applied to anything else. What makes this any different? Even they seem to know that this ruling is illogical since it shouldn't apply to anything else.


Each case is decided upon their merits, or lack of merit.

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 Post subject: Re: SCOTUS
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You are the boards #1 Chus stalker, by a country mile.

Actually, you're the boards one and only Chus stalker.


Quite telling that you've resorted to trolling now, also a result of a mind with nothing in it.

Like I said, you're great and posting pictures, stick to that.


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not shockingly it appealed to your limited intellect and you responded with an emoticon.



If I have such limited intellect, but you constantly follow me around, aren't you exhibiting the same behavior that you claim to despise?

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These are gifs, not emoticons. Try again.

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In the majority opinion written by Justice Alito, he specifies that the ruling applies only to the contraceptive mandate, and states that it should not be understood to include to other insurance mandates, like those for blood transfusions or vaccinations.
This may be the worst part of the whole decision. They have to actively state that this ruling should not be applied to anything else. What makes this any different? Even they seem to know that this ruling is illogical since it shouldn't apply to anything else.


Each case is decided upon their merits, or lack of merit.
I don't think you know how the system works.

Court cases use previous decisions as ways to guide future decisions. The fact that they have to explicitly state "DO NOT USE THIS AS A BASIS FOR ANYTHING ELSE" kind of gives that away.

Warning: Our decision is not good enough to be used as any type of guide for anything else. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: SCOTUS
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Quite telling that you've resorted to trolling now, also a result of a mind with nothing in it.


The guy whose sole purpose is to troll, doesn't like it when others troll him?

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not shockingly it appealed to your limited intellect and you responded with an emoticon.



If I have such limited intellect, but you constantly follow me around, aren't you exhibiting the same behavior that you claim to despise?

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These are gifs, not emoticons. Try again.


:lol: You just can't stop responding to me! I say jump and Chus says, "" How high, sir?"

SomeGuy says, take a seat, champ.


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Quite telling that you've resorted to trolling now, also a result of a mind with nothing in it.


The guy whose sole purpose is to troll, doesn't like it when others troll him?

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There you go again!

Seriously, take a breather!


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 Post subject: Re: SCOTUS
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not shockingly it appealed to your limited intellect and you responded with an emoticon.



If I have such limited intellect, but you constantly follow me around, aren't you exhibiting the same behavior that you claim to despise?

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These are gifs, not emoticons. Try again.


:lol: You just can't stop responding to me! I say jump and Chus says, "" How high, sir?"

SomeGuy says, take a seat, champ.


You need to stop making everything about me, although the view from inside your head is glorious.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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In the majority opinion written by Justice Alito, he specifies that the ruling applies only to the contraceptive mandate, and states that it should not be understood to include to other insurance mandates, like those for blood transfusions or vaccinations.
This may be the worst part of the whole decision. They have to actively state that this ruling should not be applied to anything else. What makes this any different? Even they seem to know that this ruling is illogical since it shouldn't apply to anything else.


Each case is decided upon their merits, or lack of merit.
I don't think you know how the system works.

Court cases use previous decisions as ways to guide future decisions. The fact that they have to explicitly state "DO NOT USE THIS AS A BASIS FOR ANYTHING ELSE" kind of gives that away.

Warning: Our decision is not good enough to be used as any type of guide for anything else. :lol:


If you read the entire decision, you might understand why that was written.

And, not all cases are based upon old decisions.

But thanks for playing.

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So there is nothing you can cite other than your personal bigotry toward Catholics?


For the record, a substantial portion of my own family is Catholic. An uncle/bishop actually served in the Vatican. On the rare occasions I invest in public faith gatherings, they're in a pretty damned large Archdioceasan building. So to claim bigotry is laughable.

I just choose not to say thank you & willingly follow along with conservatives who hypocritically preach one thing (be it from the pulpit or courthouse) and then in their own dealings do another. Put it this way, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's rain & expect me to believe it.

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I'm honestly surprised anyone is happy that this happened unless it's because you are anti-birth control and want to make it as difficult as possible.


:salut:


I'm honestly surprised that you feel that I should have to pay for your condoms.

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I'm honestly surprised anyone is happy that this happened unless it's because you are anti-birth control and want to make it as difficult as possible.


:salut:


I'm honestly surprised that you feel that I should have to pay for your condoms.


I don't use condoms. Like Ronnie Mund, I raw dog it.

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If you read the entire decision, you might understand why that was written.
Explain it to me why the Supreme Court made a correct decision using logical grounds but that same logic would be wrong to use with any other case.
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And, not all cases are based upon old decisions.
You are the king of arguing against points that were never made. Previous cases factor in on all current cases unless there is no precedent. Decisions get reversed or changed but it certainly is a factor.

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So there is nothing you can cite other than your personal bigotry toward Catholics?


For the record, a substantial portion of my own family is Catholic. An uncle/bishop actually served in the Vatican. On the rare occasions I invest in public faith gatherings, they're in a pretty damned large Archdioceasan building. So to claim bigotry is laughable.

I just choose not to say thank you & willingly follow along with conservatives who hypocritically preach one thing (be it from the pulpit or courthouse) and then in their own dealings do another. Put it this way, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's rain & expect me to believe it.



But, as usual, you make a statement, take shots at someone or a group you do not like, and then are unable to cite chapter and verse to back up your baseless claims.

I'll try one more time, where is the right to have me pay for your birth control derived from?

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I'm honestly surprised anyone is happy that this happened unless it's because you are anti-birth control and want to make it as difficult as possible.


:salut:


I'm honestly surprised that you feel that I should have to pay for your condoms.


I don't use condoms. Like Ronnie Mund, I raw dog it.


We find common ground.


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If you read the entire decision, you might understand why that was written.
Explain it to me why the Supreme Court made a correct decision using logical grounds but that same logic would be wrong to use with any other case.
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And, not all cases are based upon old decisions.
You are the king of arguing against points that were never made. Previous cases factor in on all current cases unless there is no precedent. Decisions get reversed or changed but it certainly is a factor.


Read the decision.

Previous cases do not factor in every decision.

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Previous cases do not factor in every decision.
I don't think you understand how the system works.

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Has anyone articulated how an IUD is different than a vasectomy? This thread is nine pages and I'll be damned if I'm going to scroll through every page.

And yes, I know that a vasectomy is an out-patient surgical procedure and that an IUD is not, so that does not need to be pointed out.

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I have a cousin that has 9 kids by (7 by the same man) and the only time she went a few years without being pregnant was when she had an IUD for 5 years after her first 2 kids. Once that thing came out it seemed like she had a baby every year.

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Rick, forgive my ignorance, but which religious beliefs are violated by denying insurance coverage for birth control?
I mean, which religion are we talking about here? I can't figure it out.

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Rick, forgive my ignorance, but which religious beliefs are violated by denying insurance coverage for birth control?
The same ones that were violated by forcing the executives of Hobby Lobby to pay for it. It goes in both directions. If birth control is a religious issue then being for or against it is a religious issue.
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I mean, which religion are we talking about here? I can't figure it out.
My religious beliefs think birth control is acceptable.

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Rick, forgive my ignorance, but which religious beliefs are violated by denying insurance coverage for birth control?
The same ones that were violated by forcing the executives of Hobby Lobby to pay for it. It goes in both directions. If birth control is a religious issue then being for or against it is a religious issue.
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I mean, which religion are we talking about here? I can't figure it out.
My religious beliefs think birth control is acceptable.

I don't think that's a correct answer.

Which religion was violated by denying paid coverage of contraceptives?

For the record I personally don't have any religious beliefs and really don't have a dog in this fight at all. I'm just not understanding your claim that religious beliefs were violated by denying coverage of contraceptives.

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Rick, forgive my ignorance, but which religious beliefs are violated by denying insurance coverage for birth control?
The same ones that were violated by forcing the executives of Hobby Lobby to pay for it. It goes in both directions. If birth control is a religious issue then being for or against it is a religious issue.
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I mean, which religion are we talking about here? I can't figure it out.
My religious beliefs think birth control is acceptable.

I don't think that's a correct answer.

Which religion was violated by denying paid coverage of contraceptives?

For the record I personally don't have any religious beliefs and really don't have a dog in this fight at all. I'm just not understanding your claim that religious beliefs were violated by denying coverage of contraceptives.


Here's what I can't understand. Hobby Lobby's chief complaint was that being required to provide IUD's and Plan B would violate their religious freedom. But at the same time Hobby Lobby doesn't have an issue with covering vasectomies under their health insurance plan. Granted their not being required to cover vasectomies but that merely begs the question of why one type of birth control is okay but another is not.

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Which religion was violated by denying paid coverage of contraceptives?
If contraceptives are a religious issue, and the court has made it clear that it is, then those who agree or disagree with them have a valid claim towards it being part of their religious beliefs.
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For the record I personally don't have any religious beliefs and really don't have a dog in this fight at all. I'm just not understanding your claim that religious beliefs were violated by denying coverage of contraceptives.
If contraceptives are a religious issue, then no matter how you identify yourself, your opinion on it is a religious belief.

Now, the courts could rule that contraceptives are not a religious belief, but then we all know what the ruling to this would have been.

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Here's what I can't understand. Hobby Lobby's chief complaint was that being required to provide IUD's and Plan B would violate their religious freedom. But at the same time Hobby Lobby doesn't have an issue with covering vasectomies under their health insurance plan. Granted their not being required to cover vasectomies but that merely begs the question of why one type of birth control is okay but another is not.

Solid post. I have no fucking clue. Honestly, and this isn't meant to be mean, but Catholics confuse the shit out of me.

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