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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:33 am 
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Stop mentioning the contract. Who cares?

The excuse of a bad supporting cast is officially dead since he chose them twice. This isn't a guy who was drafted and can't control his situation.

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This is the last point. He is being asked to accept a drastically reduced contract to play for a team whose star player has missed the last three yrs. The talk about choosing money over winning is not factual because there is no guarantee that the Bulls would win with Melo. Would you put base your future as a winner on the health of Derrick Rose? I would not


There is no guarantee that anyone will win. Rose health is an issue. Obviously having Rose at full strength would give the Bulls a better chance to win. I would argue that the Bulls could still win with Augustin at PG and Melo at SF. IF Rose health was a question mark why meet with the Bulls? If winning was the primary goal why not wait and opt out next year? It looks like he just wanted to get more money as quickly as he could. Waiting an extra year would have answered the Rose health question and not only could he see the team the Knicks would put around him he would also be able to make even more money.

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He just experienced this in New York. One of the reasons that he wanted to play in New York was Amare Stoudemire. At the time Stoudemire was playing at an all star level at the time and he felt that another star was needed to win a championship. One of the main reasons that the New York experiment failed was the deteriorating health of Stoudamire. Stoudamire was hurt during every playoff series New York was involved in. He doesn't want to replicate this with the Bulls. You're going to give up 60 million in the hope that your best player who hasn't been healthy in three yrs can remain healthy. That's asking an awful lot.

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He just experienced this in New York. One of the reasons that he wanted to play in New York was Amare Stoudemire. At the time Stoudemire was playing at an all star level at the time and he felt that another star was needed to win a championship. One of the main reasons that the New York experiment failed was the deteriorating health of Stoudamire. Stoudamire was hurt during every playoff series New York was involved in. He doesn't want to replicate this with the Bulls. You're going to give up 60 million in the hope that your best player who hasn't been healthy in three yrs can remain healthy. That's asking an awful lot.


He would only be sacrificing $33M if he left the Knicks. Now he is walking into even more of an unknown situation when he didn't have to. He's banking on Phil Jackson being able to bring in players next offseason when they have $20M in cap space. He could have just opted out next year. At least then he would know what was around him.

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He just experienced this in New York. One of the reasons that he wanted to play in New York was Amare Stoudemire. At the time Stoudemire was playing at an all star level at the time and he felt that another star was needed to win a championship. One of the main reasons that the New York experiment failed was the deteriorating health of Stoudamire. Stoudamire was hurt during every playoff series New York was involved in. He doesn't want to replicate this with the Bulls. You're going to give up 60 million in the hope that your best player who hasn't been healthy in three yrs can remain healthy. That's asking an awful lot.


He would only be sacrificing $33M if he left the Knicks. Now he is walking into even more of an unknown situation when he didn't have to. He's banking on Phil Jackson being able to bring in players next offseason when they have $20M in cap space. He could have just opted out next year. At least then he would know what was around him.

Only $33 mil. :lol:

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He just experienced this in New York. One of the reasons that he wanted to play in New York was Amare Stoudemire. At the time Stoudemire was playing at an all star level at the time and he felt that another star was needed to win a championship. One of the main reasons that the New York experiment failed was the deteriorating health of Stoudamire. Stoudamire was hurt during every playoff series New York was involved in. He doesn't want to replicate this with the Bulls. You're going to give up 60 million in the hope that your best player who hasn't been healthy in three yrs can remain healthy. That's asking an awful lot.


He would only be sacrificing $33M if he left the Knicks. Now he is walking into even more of an unknown situation when he didn't have to. He's banking on Phil Jackson being able to bring in players next offseason when they have $20M in cap space. He could have just opted out next year. At least then he would know what was around him.

Only $33 mil. :lol:

:lol: He did say money wasn't an issue.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:03 am 
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Don't think he meant that amount of money

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Don't think he meant that amount of money


Why did he go on all those trips? Why did he opt out this year instead of next?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:14 am 
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Don't think he meant that amount of money


Why did he go on all those trips? Why did he opt out this year instead of next?
I think that it is known as testing the market. He did say that he would do that before the season started. He never said that he would leave New York so why are people acting like they are surprised. In terms of next yr. He might get injured thus may hurt his market value. It was better to do it this yr

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Going into next offseason the Knicks will have about $13-17M in cap space and zero exceptions to use because they are under the cap. How are they going to win a championship with that and the rest of their roster? Clearly Melo isn't as interested in that.
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Don't think he meant that amount of money


Why did he go on all those trips? Why did he opt out this year instead of next?
I think that it is known as testing the market. He did say that he would do that before the season started. He never said that he would leave New York so why are people acting like they are surprised. In terms of next yr. He might get injured thus may hurt his market value. It was better to do it this yr


Why? $96M was the most that he could get anywhere else. Because of taxes he could have netted $2.4M more in Houston or Dallas but $129M was always going to be as good as it got.

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Not if the Knicks were willing to do a sign and trade I think that was his hope doesn't look like it will happen that way. He is about to sign for 130 million. It didn't really hurt him did it. It is interesting that he is being criticized for testing the market. Lol Deng refused to sign with the Bulls because he wanted 15 a year Bulls offered 10 is anyone criticizing him for wanting to win. Is anyone asking why he didn't reup it actually appears that Bulls were right by the way. He is not going to get 15 a year. He made a financial decision as most athletes do. I'm not buying the Bulls offer ring the max because no where has that been reported. There is not an athlete alive that would leave that type of money on the table. When you factor in the shaky health of Rose why do people keep suggesting winning for money. I don't get probably never will

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Tom Penn says that he would be sacrificing half to sign with the Bulls. I think he knows what he is talking about

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It's been reported many times that the Bulls wanted to do a sign and trade. I've also explained why a sign and trade made sense. Even with a sign and trade the Bulls wouldn't be able to give him $129M. No one but the Knicks could give him the 5th year. If it was about winning and Health then the Rockets would have been his top choice. They could have gotten to $96M without a sign and trade and he would have netted $2.4M more than he would have with the Bulls max offer. It was all about the 5th year and $33M. I think you need to accept that.

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Tom Penn says that he would be sacrificing half to sign with the Bulls. I think he knows what he is talking about


He's only showing what the Bulls could offer without trading Taj or working out a sign and trade with the Knicks. I know that you understand that.

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It's been reported many times that the Bulls wanted to do a sign and trade. I've also explained why a sign and trade made sense. Even with a sign and trade the Bulls wouldn't be able to give him $129M. No one but the Knicks could give him the 5th year. If it was about winning and Health then the Rockets would have been his top choice. They could have gotten to $96M without a sign and trade and he would have netted $2.4M more than he would have with the Bulls max offer. It was all about the 5th year and $33M. I think you need to accept that.

And there's nothing wrong with that. It's really not a big deal that a professional athlete wants to get paid.

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It's been reported many times that the Bulls wanted to do a sign and trade. I've also explained why a sign and trade made sense. Even with a sign and trade the Bulls wouldn't be able to give him $129M. No one but the Knicks could give him the 5th year. If it was about winning and Health then the Rockets would have been his top choice. They could have gotten to $96M without a sign and trade and he would have netted $2.4M more than he would have with the Bulls max offer. It was all about the 5th year and $33M. I think you need to accept that.

And there's nothing wrong with that. It's really not a big deal that a professional athlete wants to get paid.
The excuses for Carmelo need to end though.

I get he took the most money. He also accepts the other parts of it then. Go win a title or come close.

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It's been reported many times that the Bulls wanted to do a sign and trade. I've also explained why a sign and trade made sense. Even with a sign and trade the Bulls wouldn't be able to give him $129M. No one but the Knicks could give him the 5th year. If it was about winning and Health then the Rockets would have been his top choice. They could have gotten to $96M without a sign and trade and he would have netted $2.4M more than he would have with the Bulls max offer. It was all about the 5th year and $33M. I think you need to accept that.

And there's nothing wrong with that. It's really not a big deal that a professional athlete wants to get paid.


It isn't. As I said most people would take the extra money. Problem is there is no way that the Knicks can complete for a title because they will not have the cap space to sign another star and they don't have the assets to trade for a star player. That's why he can't tell anyone that the Knicks give him a better chance to win than the Bulls or the Rockets.

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It's been reported many times that the Bulls wanted to do a sign and trade. I've also explained why a sign and trade made sense. Even with a sign and trade the Bulls wouldn't be able to give him $129M. No one but the Knicks could give him the 5th year. If it was about winning and Health then the Rockets would have been his top choice. They could have gotten to $96M without a sign and trade and he would have netted $2.4M more than he would have with the Bulls max offer. It was all about the 5th year and $33M. I think you need to accept that.

And there's nothing wrong with that. It's really not a big deal that a professional athlete wants to get paid.
The excuses for Carmelo need to end though.

I get he took the most money. He also accepts the other parts of it then. Go win a title or come close.
Every athlete would do exactly what he is doing. All of the top players are either maxed out or close to it. If the fifth yr matters it's because he will be 34 after the 4th and probably won't be able to get that money at that age. This sounds extremely stupid to hold someone to a standard that you yourself do not have. Winning is cool but if you ask most athletes whether they would rather be rich or win they would choose be rich. That is why your elite players don't ever play for the league minimum. It's easy to say leave it on the table when it's not your money to leave. Carmelo Anthony is supposed to accept a contract that pays him slightly more than Gordon Hayward whose possibly the hundredth best player. He's supposed to make this sacrifice in the off chance that he may win. Off chance being the hope that the teams best player may return to MVP form. More important than his form is the hope that he can remain healthy which he hasn't done for three yrs

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So Carmelo is forever free of any type of criticism? Got it.

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That argument loses steam when you consider Houston was also an option.

Howard
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The extra year was the priority over winning. That's fine. It just makes him a liar with an extra year and $33M.

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They weren't gonna be able to bring back Parsons with Melo.

Long time guy, are you related to Carmelo? Just curious.

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They weren't gonna be able to bring back Parsons with Melo.

Long time guy, are you related to Carmelo? Just curious.


That was the plan.

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I grant you Houston. I don't know how people want to play with Dwight Howard though. It gives Lebron James the best chance to win and he wants nothing to do with Houston either. Dwight Howard is wishy washy and he forced himself out of two places got general managers and coaches fired as part of power plays. Why isn't Lebron James beating down Houston ' s door

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They weren't gonna be able to bring back Parsons with Melo.

Long time guy, are you related to Carmelo? Just curious.

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They weren't gonna be able to bring back Parsons with Melo.

Long time guy, are you related to Carmelo? Just curious.

No and wondered when the personal stuff would become a part of the discussion. I should ask that about some of the people that posts here. This is an incestuous little bunch here with a lot of guys that typically agree on a lot of things choosing to once again agree. I have been a fan of the guy and I think that he has been unfairly criticized for being a loser. That gets thrown around too much. The guy competes and if he didn't none of the top teams would be interested. I have made a lot of good points and Nas to his credit has done a good job of refuting them we disagree but he has not engaged in Melo bashing to the extent that some have. What is interesting to me is that the TV guys have said exactly what I have said and chosen not to think as a fanatic. Sports is a business and I have never thought of it as anything but that.

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Every athlete would do exactly what he is doing. All of the top players are either maxed out or close to it. If the fifth yr matters it's because he will be 34 after the 4th and probably won't be able to get that money at that age. This sounds extremely stupid to hold someone to a standard that you yourself do not have. Winning is cool but if you ask most athletes whether they would rather be rich or win they would choose be rich. That is why your elite players don't ever play for the league minimum. It's easy to say leave it on the table when it's not your money to leave.
Funny, seems like what everyone here is doing except you is holding him to a standard that he set for himself. He's the one who said it. Nowhere did he say i want to win but I'm not taking 30 million less to do it. Its clear where his priorities are, thats fine. Money trumps winning for him so he's been full of shit since at least January when this was written but we know he's been full of shit the whole time.




Carmelo Anthony knows the deal, knows what close friend Kobe Bryant was saying on Sunday, that collecting championship rings is the only thing that will alter public perception of star players who haven’t won one.
It remains to be seen what that pursuit will spur Anthony to do when he becomes a free agent this summer, but the seven-time All-Star offered another peek into his mind-set Monday as he and the Knicks continue to attempt to make up ground in the playoff chase.
“(Winning a championship is) the only thing I care about. Anything else is irrelevant to me as far as when it comes to basketball,” Anthony said after practice in Greenburgh. “A championship is the only thing that’s on my mind.
“That’s my motivating factor. Nothing else even motivates me anymore, just that. I mean, it’s hard to say at this very moment how it affects me (in the future), but for me, I gotta keep that motivation into the ‘now.’ And then when that time comes, you deal with that situation then.”



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/melo-cares-winning-championship-article-1.1592966#ixzz375G48OvK

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Which athlete has ever come out and said it is all about the money. Sports 101 when they say it isn't about the money it is. I like the guy as a player but I never believed that he would take a substantial pay cut to play anywhere. The big three in Miami didn't do it when they got together. They took a pay cut but it wasn't substantial. You think Wade is about to sacrifice money because he is not 20 million dollar player no he is not. He wants his money He could care less if they win again if it comes to sacrificing his money.

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Ray Allen took substantially less to play in Miami. Players do it all the time. We've seen guys like Duncan and Dirk do it for the past 6 years.

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Ironically Carmelo Anthony was bashed for wanting to play with better players when he left Denver. Now he is criticized for not leaving to play with better players. When it comes to the Melo bad hers you can't win. The same guy that bashed him continued to bash him though he led his team to 54 wins and finished 3rd in MVP voting. The problem that I have with the bashing relates to the presentation. He is often blamed for his team's losses. Denver was a crap franchise before he got there. He made them legitimate. The west was a loaded conference at the time he came into the league. Unlike Lebron James he didn't have the benefit of playing crap teams to get to the finals. Lebron is a better player but if he'd played in the western conf. He would not have gotten to the finals 5 times. Carmelo has never been on a team that was favored to win a title. When he is on a team favored or even in the discussion then I will change my opinion.

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