once again you are conflating the argument to include championships and the original comment was not about that. It was about improving the Knicks. The more I listen to this the more this sounds like Bernstein ' s drivel about how does this get you closer to a championship. It did make the Knicks a better team you are arguing that was a failure because the Knicks didn't win a championship. The team ball that you're are touting wad not going to win a championship either. The Knicks don't have the pieces to win anything. They have a 20 million dollar gut who either misses games or is spotted 10-15 minutes a game. Funny how he has escaped your criticism. I am wondering how Carmelo Anthony Raymond Felton Pablo Iman Shumpert Tyson Chandler in your starting lineup gets u a championship. Can you explain that to me? And can you also explain to me how it is Carmelo Anthony's fault that they didn't win?

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I've reduced the debate to playoff performance and advancing past the first round and he still comes up short. The problem with Marshmelo and his teams starts with him. When the best player performs well most teams have a great chance to win. When the best player is awful it is hard to win.

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Read the first post again. I specifically mention championships. It has been about that and always will be.
"Get the ball to Carmelo and get out of the way" isn't a good way to win a championship. That is it. Make all the excuses you want about why it isn't. It just isn't.

Carmelo chose the Knicks twice. He doesn't get the excuses when he picked his situation. If I move to Detroit today, can I complain that it's tough to find a job and that there are a lot of abandoned buildings? If 4 years later, I decide to stay in Detroit do those complaints make sense?

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Have never been a Mega fan of his in the NBA game. His game is WEAK! Great shot, great moves for his size. Tough on smaller players, but is a blackhole when the ball gets passed to him and the offense just stops. Allows other players to drop off their man and get in position to be able to help on him while he does 2 or 3 jab steps.

Maybe it is the coaching, maybe they never had another option, or a good playbook, but I can only judge on what you see and what you hear and nothing places him in the category of guy I want on a winning team.

So keep your scoring titles, MVp votes, etc and I know the Bulls take the team concept too far sometimes, but only the Elite players of all time can put a team on their back and win. melo isn't one of them.

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Just by the numbers Marshmelo has proven that he can't deliver when it matters most if he is the Alpha Dog.

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How is a team with Pablo Felton Shumpert and Chandler in your starting lineup expected to win anything. How is it Carmelo's fault that he failed to lead this collection of bums to championship. Why does Amare escape criticism. He has missed each playoff series involving Melo and makes 20 million. He and Melo were supposed to form a big two but he is always in a suit. If teammates don't matter then why has James acted as a quasi GM during the past four yrs. Why has he chosen to play on teams with more talent whenever he has a chance. Why does he have an opt out after one yr if teammates don't matter why is he attempting to construct the team by placing pressure on management to acquire better players. It's interesting how these points are consistently ignored. They are ignored because they don't fit the Carmelo is a loser narrative that some have constructed. Phoenix Lakers San Antonio Dallas all had better rosters than Denver you can check if you like.

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He chose New York. He then chose New York again. That is the answer and it has been said multiple times.

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He chose the money that New York could pay him and there is no doubt that the people criticizing him would have done the same thing. Also it is interesting how the points that I just made have conveniently been ignored. It means that they have validity

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Every knowledgeable fan knew Shumpert was a good player before he got hurt. He didn't get hurt until the following season. Amare was still playing at an all star level and Billups was still a really good player. The problem was Marshmelo shot them out of the series. The bright lights were too much for him. He took 50 shots in the first 2 games and shot 39% from the field. They lost those 2 road games by a total of 5 points. He took 40 more shots the next 2 games and only managed to make 35% of them. They lost those games by 29 at home. He shot under 30% in 2 games.

Please stop comparing him to LeBron. LeBron still advances in the playoffs even when his teams suck. LeBron hasn't lost 43 out of 66 games or has a terrible FG percentage and low assist totals.

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Nothing is being ignored by anyone but you. I've posted the facts. LeBron has played on worse teams and still won. Marshmelo doesn't perform well in the playoffs.

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Your facts as you keep saying leave a lot to be desired. I don't know how Amare could have been playing at all star level when he hasn't played in any series involving Carmelo. Stoudamire essentially missed every playoff series since Melo became a Knick Shumpert was injured in his 1st or second playoff game his rookie what is this next yr stuff. He basically didn't play in the playoffs. Your posts contain many inaccuracies This was the Knicks starting lineup the past two yrs. You also stated previously that Chandler has had a better career than any bull from last yrs team. I will leave rose off though he was on the team Deng Noah and Boozer have all had better careers. Ginobili averaged 7 points a game during the 03 season yet in your eyes he was key contributor that yr. Parker and Ginobili averaged the same numbers in 05 as Bosh did this yr but yet their role was on that team was only slightly below what Duncan did according to you. Andre Miller had more to do with the 26 win increase by Denver in 03 04 though he has never been anywhere close to be an All Star. Phoenix San Antonio and the Lakers all had better teams than Denver from 2000 to 2010 but yet Denver was expected to Defeat them Never mind teams like Dallas which also had more ttalent. New York hadn't made the playoffs until Carmelo Anthony joined the team. They had not been in the playoffs since 1999. These are facts Denver was a 17 win team the yr. Before he joined the team they won 43 games his first yr.
Lebron James has never played in the West either like Melo. He has had a much easier road to the finals. Yes he has won championships. He has also been on teams predicted to win championships. He is a better player but Anthony is a top five player in the NBA right now.

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Your facts as you keep saying leave a lot to be desired. I don't know how Amare could have been playing at all star level when he hasn't played in any series involving Carmelo. Stoudamire essentially missed every playoff series since Melo became a Knick Shumpert was injured in his 1st or second playoff game his rookie what is this next yr stuff. He basically didn't play in the playoffs. Your posts contain many inaccuracies This was the Knicks starting lineup the past two yrs. You also stated previously that Chandler has had a better career than any bull from last yrs team. I will leave rose off though he was on the team Deng Noah and Boozer have all had better careers. Ginobili averaged 7 points a game during the 03 season yet in your eyes he was key contributor that yr. Parker and Ginobili averaged the same numbers in 05 as Bosh did this yr but yet their role was on that team was only slightly below what Duncan did according to you. Andre Miller had more to do with the 26 win increase by Denver in 03 04 though he has never been anywhere close to be an All Star. Phoenix San Antonio and the Lakers all had better teams than Denver from 2000 to 2010 but yet Denver was expected to Defeat them Never mind teams like Dallas which also had more ttalent. New York hadn't made the playoffs until Carmelo Anthony joined the team. They had not been in the playoffs since 1999. These are facts Denver was a 17 win team the yr. Before he joined the team they won 43 games his first yr.
Lebron James has never played in the West either like Melo. He has had a much easier road to the finals. Yes he has won championships. He has also been on teams predicted to win championships. He is a better player but Anthony is a top five player in the NBA right now.

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This is one of those I cant believe this thread is still going moments. Aren't you guys punched out by now?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

To further the point about your inaccuracies I go back to the 93-94 Rockets and list their starting lineup Kenny Smith journeyman never been an All star never top ten at his position Mario Elie bench player on most teams journeyman. Robert Horry career role player nothing more nothing less. Matt Bullard who? Matt Bullard that's who. Otis Thorpe solid starter never elite power forward actually middle of the road at best. Vernon Maxwell. Starter never an all star. Akeem. BEST PLAY IN THE LEAGUE FOR THAT YR. Destroyed the league MVP David Robinson during that yrs playoffs. Outplayed Ewing during the finals. That is how Houston won. They had the weakest starting lineup of any champion since 1980 yet they were solid because they had guys score in double figures. This is of course according to you. Akeem dominated in order for them to win. That is one of the few instances that you can truly say that a guy carried a team to a championship. In just about every other instance the best player had help. That is the argument that I have continuously made. My facts are irrefutable. NBA.com posted comments about the team similar to mine regarding that team. The funny thing about all this is when put it out there about championship teams from the past 40 yrs and rosters that comprised them no one refutes it. Why because I am right. With the exception of a few they all had help and by that I mean another all star not a role player or journeyman playing a leading role. Where was Melo's help oh I forgot he had Pablo and Felton. Good luck with that

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I'm not sure if you're trolling or just uninformed. Amare was stilling playing at an all star level when Marshmelo joined the Knicks. He finished 2nd team All NBA when Marshmelo joined the team. Here is a playoff game.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/box ... 70BOS.html

What about his playoff numbers aren't accurate?


Deng wasn't apart of the Bulls team last season (traded earlier in the season). Besides Chandler has been DoY and made the All NBA team on top of playing a key role in a championship. Noah or Boozer don't meet that standard.

Part of the reason Denver ended up in the lottery was injuries. Of course you read that but chose to ignore that part. The addition of Andre Miller was definitely a help to the team.

If you don't understand the role Parker and Ginobili played on those Spurs team I can't help you. At least you stopped saying those Rockets teams sucked.

I lowered the bar for Marshmelo. I said nothing about winning a title. I focused on winning a playoff series and he's been awful in the playoffs.

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I see you are just uninformed. How many teams do you know that have 7 players in double digits? That's a hell of a supporting cast that will keep all teams off balance.

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How much NBA do you watch or do you simply site Google for your information. The game that site was the only game he played in during the series why because he broke his hand punching a wall immediately after the game. Missed the rest if the series. He also sat out the following years series against Miami. MISSED THE ENTIRE SERIES. He also missed most of the following yrs playoffs against Indiana and whatever team they played during the first round. The broken hand is common knowledge though you conveniently didn't know it. He missed games during last yrs playoffs most of them and when he played his minutes were limited. Since you like to cite statistics Carmelo Anthony almost singlehandedly won a game against Boston in that series how do I know it I watched the game. Don't need to Google search I watched it. I could pull up the stats from that game but it would be embarrassing. Also I don't troll.

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Andre Miller played a slight role that is why it is called a role player. So did the Houston Players back in 0304. Parker and Ginobili were just coming into their own in 03 and 05. Neither was considered to be an elite player at that point. Duncan was the difference maker back then. They played well but Duncan had to be all world for them to win.

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You're really embarrassing yourself. Amare played in every game that series. Did you miss him with the soft cast? IIRC it was stitches and not a broken hand. It was Marshmelo shooting 39% in the 2 road games they lost by a total of 5 and shoot 35% at home that cost them the series. You won't win many series when your best player takes 90 shots in 4 games and makes 37% of them. Which game did Marshmelo almost win? Was it the game he shot the ball 18 times and made 27% of his shots? Was it the game he shot the ball 16 times and made 25% of his shots? You need to win 4 games to win a series and because he was God awful in 3 Games the Knicks didn't have a chance. Marshmelo has lost 43 of 66 playoff games and his poor play in the playoffs explains why.

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Houston had 7 players average double digits and the following year they had 2 players average 20 points and almost had 8 average double digits. That was a great team. Hakeem was the star but his team was great. Anyone that may have watched basketball knows that.

Same with Duncan and the Spurs. He was the star but Parker and Ginobili were huge against the Lakers and Mavericks in 2003. By 2005 and 2007 they were all stars. Those were great defensive teams too. Arguably the best since the last 15 years. Just stop it please.

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To be fair, Amare was so hurt he only played 44 minutes in game 4.

That's because he was lazy and only played 33 mins the game before.

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I thought Nas wanted the Bulls to sign (Marsh) Melo?

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I did. He wouldn't be the Alpha Dog in the Bulls locker room and his scoring would help. That's why I wanted Stephenson too.

Edit: The problem is when you have someone making ridiculous statements you end up appearing to be arguing against something you wanted.

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That's the problem and I will leave it at this. Carmelo Anthony rather than take a fifty million dollar pay cut to play on a team whose star player has missed nearly three full season chose New York. Even if Rose were fully healthy I personally would not leave that kind of money on the table. Factor in the fragile health of Rose and I wouldn't do it. I don't want to hear about how anyone can get hurt. He has demonstrated that he does get hurt. Any talk of the Bulls winning anything rests with the health and game of Derrick Rose. Anthony could come here Rose gets hurt and the Bulls are still screwed. Also no one knows what type of player Rose will be when he comes back. He has missed almost three full seasons. There is a lot of rust on his game. It is difficult to sit out that long come back and be the player that you used to be. People are expecting a guy to take that type of risk. It's easy when it's not your money to lose. Rose has shown himself to be injury prone. The types of injuries that have sidelined him are of the freakish non contact variety. He was not pushed out of the air or anything that would be more understandable. Blowing knees out landing and tearing things the way he has suggests that he is fragile. I would not leave the type of money out there knowing that he has missed nearly three seasons last three because of injury. Melo Noah and Taj if kept are not enough to win anything. I could address the other stuff but I have hashed the other stuff out. Please don't bring up Houston the people on this board could care less about the Houston they're Mad he didn't sign with the Bulls. That's what this is about.

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