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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:19 pm 
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Wouldn't you have to trade Gasol?

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Wouldn't you have to trade Gasol?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

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Wouldn't you have to trade Gasol?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95


I know that. I was talking about mins. I couldn't imagine that working out for 3 years.

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Wouldn't you have to trade Gasol?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95


I know that. I was talking about mins. I couldn't imagine that working out for 3 years.

If there are enough minutes for Noah, Gasol and Taj, I think there are enough for Noah, Love and Gasol.

Noah just plays 2-3 minutes less per game in that second scenario, as Gasol would play the 5 a bit more often than he would in the first scenario. And everyone remains in decent condition for the playoffs.

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does anyone have time to make a bulls injury bingo board

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Another way to look at the Love to Bulls rumors is Chicago trying to drive up Love's price for Cleveland. Obviously that also works for Minnesota as well. Cleveland might want to try and call Chicago's possible bluff by giving Minnesota a take it or leave it offer. Of course that risks losing Love to a division rival if Chicago is indeed genuine about its interest in Love. Minnesota holds the leverage here, and to the extent that they do it's a good job by the GM trying to get the most value for a disgruntled superstar who has been open about his intention to leave. They might just have everyone dancing to the tune of the wolves' beat.


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Don't know about over the long run but he went forward with James to Cleveland two days before the story broke.


OK, he's got one.

He seems to have reported on a ton of Bulls trade/signing rumors over the past few years, but none of his information ever proves accurate.

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Kevin Love is not walking through that door. Don't believe it. The Wiggins signing story was leverage for the Cavs. Love to the Bulls is leverage for the T-wolves. Espn, and Chicago's fans seem to be pawns in these maneuvers.

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Is Kevin Love a Superstar? I personally don't believe that he is.

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Kevin Love is not walking through that door. Don't believe it. The Wiggins signing story was leverage for the Cavs. Love to the Bulls is leverage for the T-wolves. Espn, and Chicago's fans seem to be pawns in these maneuvers.



Pawns? How so? Clearly they are not getting love but that is no boohoo. Raising the Cavs price is good business.


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Is Kevin Love a Superstar? I personally don't believe that he is.


I'd say you can contend with him as your second best player, and dominate the league with him as your third best player.

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Nas wrote:
Is Kevin Love a Superstar? I personally don't believe that he is.



NAS is correct. You do not gut your team for this guy. You have no idea. Mirotic might be "this guy".

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Is Kevin Love a Superstar? I personally don't believe that he is.



NAS is correct. You do not gut your team for this guy. You have no idea. Mirotic might be "this guy".


He's definitely a lot cheaper. This may sound crazy but the more I think about it I am AGAINST trading for Love. I know this is a flip flop but I had to give it more thought. I don't think he can be the best player on a championship team. I don't think that he is a leader and it sounds like he may be a cancer. He proven that he isn't a winner.

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Is Kevin Love a Superstar? I personally don't believe that he is.



NAS is correct. You do not gut your team for this guy. You have no idea. Mirotic might be "this guy".


He's definitely a lot cheaper. This may sound crazy but the more I think about it I am AGAINST trading for Love. I know this is a flip flop but I had to give it more thought. I don't think he can be the best player on a championship team. I don't think that he is a leader and it sounds like he may be a cancer. He proven that he isn't a winner.

Love's comfort zone is bitching about being the best player on a bad team. No thanks.

I'll take my chances on the unknown.

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I'm a no on the trade. Instantly lose depth if this is done.


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Nas wrote:
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Is Kevin Love a Superstar? I personally don't believe that he is.



NAS is correct. You do not gut your team for this guy. You have no idea. Mirotic might be "this guy".


He's definitely a lot cheaper. This may sound crazy but the more I think about it I am AGAINST trading for Love. I know this is a flip flop but I had to give it more thought. I don't think he can be the best player on a championship team. I don't think that he is a leader and it sounds like he may be a cancer. He proven that he isn't a winner.



One in the hand though. You know what Love is. Mirotic has no minutes right now either. Too much playing in front of him. I personally am in no way a Love fan, that being said this depth is built for consolidation and Love is clearly the best player in the deal. It doesn't matter though because Wiggins trumps all.


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The unknown isn't really that unknown. Mirotic has been playing professionally for years and he only cost about $5.5M. Love is going to get a $100M contract next year and we really don't know what his numbers mean. Many believe that his numbers are inflated. He hasn't proven that he is a difference maker. IMO acquiring his is far more risky.

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No defense and is injury-prone...giving up too much depth especially since we don't how Rose will be. I'll pass on Love.

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No defense and is injury-prone...giving up too much depth especially since we don't how Rose will be. I'll pass on Love.


Agreed. Even if Rose played at an MVP level the entire season I believe giving away cheap assets and investing over $100M in Love would be too risky.

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No defense and is injury-prone...giving up too much depth especially since we don't how Rose will be. I'll pass on Love.


Agreed. Even if Rose played at an MVP level the entire season I believe giving away cheap assets and investing over $100M in Love would be too risky.


Nas, I think I would rather trade for Anthony Davis or Serge Ibaka than for Love...am I crazy for thinking that?

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Serge is good but Anthony Davis sign me up all day everyday for that.


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If the trade is Kevin Love and Kevin Martin for Taj Gibson, Dunleavy, Mirotic, Butler, and a 1st round pick, you have to do it, don't you?

Noah
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Gasol
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Maybe Snell starts and Martin becomes your sixth man.

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If the trade is Kevin Love and Kevin Martin for Taj Gibson, Dunleavy, Mirotic, Butler, and a 1st round pick, you have to do it, don't you?

Noah
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McDermott
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Gasol
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(couple guys signed for pennies)

Maybe Snell starts and Martin becomes your sixth man.


Defensively the Bulls would be awful.

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No defense and is injury-prone...giving up too much depth especially since we don't how Rose will be. I'll pass on Love.


Agreed. Even if Rose played at an MVP level the entire season I believe giving away cheap assets and investing over $100M in Love would be too risky.


Nas, I think I would rather trade for Anthony Davis or Serge Ibaka than for Love...am I crazy for thinking that?

I love Davis and Ibaka would definitely be cheaper.

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No defense and is injury-prone...giving up too much depth especially since we don't how Rose will be. I'll pass on Love.


Agreed. Even if Rose played at an MVP level the entire season I believe giving away cheap assets and investing over $100M in Love would be too risky.


Nas, I think I would rather trade for Anthony Davis or Serge Ibaka than for Love...am I crazy for thinking that?

I love Davis and Ibaka would definitely be cheaper.



Ibaka is better than Taj but it isn't as if his game brings anything drastically different than what the bulls have. Davis is just a flat out stud.


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If the trade is Kevin Love and Kevin Martin for Taj Gibson, Dunleavy, Mirotic, Butler, and a 1st round pick, you have to do it, don't you?

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Defensively the Bulls would be awful.

But I believe Thibs is able to get the best defensively out of his personnel. It wouldn't be downright brutal.

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True. It would no longer be their biggest strength though. Noah would be the best defensive player by far. Your hope is everyone else in the lineup is average.

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As long as your name is not Carlos Boozer, and you're bigger than John Lucas III or Nate, Thibs will be able to teach you how to play good D.



Sorta. It is just more that it is a team scheme. He covered korver and made him better. He couldn't do anything with snell though. This season might be better for that ugly ugly man. Marco was moderately improved I guess. Derrick never has been anything close to elite although not bad. It isn't like Thibs could take eddy and turn him into Ben Wallace. He gets the most out of a squad though.


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According to KC Johnson the Bulls don't want Love anymore.

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