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He should have had 3 MVPs.

Not a juicer.

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2. Manny Ramirez (865)
3. Fred McGriff (861)
4. Jim Thome (854)
5. MICKEY CHARLES MANTLE (840) ^
6. Gary Sheffield (832)
7. Albert Pujols (822)
8. Carlos Delgado (812)
9. Willie McCovey (812) ^
10. Jimmie Foxx (810) ^

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And Dayan Viciedo is the livest bat to come into the league since Carlos Delgado
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The guy was 250 lbs at age 19. So when did he start the steroids? 14?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Frank got a lot bigger from college til his glory years with Oakland.

He was big at first, but he did get bigger


He's even bigger today. And I doubt he's taking anything now.
It is pretty interesting to look at pictures of some of the Steroid All Stars and Frank. If we lived in a world where PEDs didn't exist, is there any doubt that Frank is much bigger than them?



Ted Kluszewski was juicing too.

:lol: The silly shit people say on this website for a response.

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Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Frank got a lot bigger from college til his glory years with Oakland.

He was big at first, but he did get bigger


He's even bigger today. And I doubt he's taking anything now.
It is pretty interesting to look at pictures of some of the Steroid All Stars and Frank. If we lived in a world where PEDs didn't exist, is there any doubt that Frank is much bigger than them?



Ted Kluszewski was juicing too.

:lol: The silly shit people say on this website for a response.


The only juice the Argo Strong Boy ever did was:
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Ya know who kinda ruined the Superherodom of Thomas for me? Albert Pujols.

Id never seen a guy be so consistently good (slump proof) but Pujols did it.


Frank Pujols and Ramirez are the best righties of my lifetime


Also, I think we might be looking a little too deep into Frank's psyche here. Maybe he was just kind of a jerk. They exist.

Miggy has to be in that list of best righties

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He will be, but still Big Frank did something that nobody has ever done in the history of the game. And that is hit at .300+, 20+ HRs, AND have at least 100 H, RBI, R, BB in seven straight years. He did all of those in the eighth year, but only hit .265.

In that 7 year stretch he had a total of only 429 K in over 3600 AB, his OPS was over 1000 all but one time (.975 in '92). That is insanely good.

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He will be, but still Big Frank did something that nobody has ever done in the history of the game. And that is hit at .300+, 20+ HRs, AND have at least 100 H, RBI, R, BB in seven straight years. He did all of those in the eighth year, but only hit .265.

In that 7 year stretch he had a total of only 429 K in over 3600 AB, his OPS was over 1000 all but one time (.975 in '92). That is insanely good.


Yes it is.

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The guy was 250 lbs at age 19. So when did he start the steroids? 14?


We had over a dozen guys juicing on my high school football team when they were 16 in the mid-'80s. And we weren't exactly a football factory.

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that's fine. I know that. But do you think he was or not? Ryne Sandberg could have been on roids too. But he wasn't. I know that because I don't have marbles for brains.

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The guy was 250 lbs at age 19. So when did he start the steroids? 14?


We had over a dozen guys juicing on my high school football team when they were 16 in the mid-'80s. And we weren't exactly a football factory.
Do the guys from your high school football team look like Frank today?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The guy was 250 lbs at age 19. So when did he start the steroids? 14?


We had over a dozen guys juicing on my high school football team when they were 16 in the mid-'80s. And we weren't exactly a football factory.
Do the guys from your high school football team look like Frank today?


Were they the same guys that were pushing for steroid testing while they were all on steroids themselves?

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I think A-Rod debunked the theory that steroid players have to be big.

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only in the middle of the steroid era would a 6-4 230 lb shortstop not be considered "big."

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Don Tiny wrote:
Similar Batters

1. Jeff Bagwell (874)
2. Manny Ramirez (865)
3. Fred McGriff (861)
4. Jim Thome (854)
5. MICKEY CHARLES MANTLE (840) ^
6. Gary Sheffield (832)
7. Albert Pujols (822)
8. Carlos Delgado (812)
9. Willie McCovey (812) ^
10. Jimmie Foxx (810) ^

^ - Signifies Hall of Famer


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomafr04.shtml


I have no idea what these numbers mean, but any list that has lame ass players like Jim Thome and Fred McGriff with more points than Mickey Charles Mantle has to be flawed.

Frank Thomas was a good hitter, but he had the benefit of the designated hitter. If there had been a designated hitter in the 1950's and 1960's, Mickey Charles Mantle might have had nine hundred (900) to one thousand (1,000) home runs.

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Frank Thomas was a good hitter, but he had the benefit of the designated hitter. If there had been a designated hitter in the 1950's and 1960's, Mickey Charles Mantle might have had nine hundred (900) to one thousand (1,000) home runs.
In the 7 year stretch I posted about, he started 885 games at 1B, 230 starts at DH. 101 of those DH games were in 1991. Its safe to say he was a first baseman during his prime.

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He was pretty much a butcher, no doubt about that. My daughter has a better arm.

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If there had been a designated hitter in the 1950's and 1960's, Mickey Charles Mantle might have had nine hundred (900) to one thousand (1,000) home runs.


If he had seen it coming he probably would have hung on and played into the 70s and ended up with a few more homers and a .275 average.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Frank Thomas was a good hitter, but he had the benefit of the designated hitter. If there had been a designated hitter in the 1950's and 1960's, Mickey Charles Mantle might have had nine hundred (900) to one thousand (1,000) home runs.
In the 7 year stretch I posted about, he started 885 games at 1B, 230 starts at DH. 101 of those DH games were in 1991. Its safe to say he was a first baseman during his prime.

Do you know how many games Mantle started at DH?

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The guy was 250 lbs at age 19. So when did he start the steroids? 14?


We had over a dozen guys juicing on my high school football team when they were 16 in the mid-'80s. And we weren't exactly a football factory.
Do the guys from your high school football team look like Frank today?


One of them. Haven't seen him recently but he looked like him back in the day.

6'5" about 275 of solid muscle. Went into the Marines and trained guys in hand-to-hand combat from what I heard.

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He was pretty much a butcher, no doubt about that. My daughter has a better arm.


He didn't have a terrible arm. If I recall correctly he had a 90+ mph fastball.

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Do you know how many games Mantle started at DH?
He went thru more livers than he had starts at DH.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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The guy was 250 lbs at age 19. So when did he start the steroids? 14?


We had over a dozen guys juicing on my high school football team when they were 16 in the mid-'80s. And we weren't exactly a football factory.
Do the guys from your high school football team look like Frank today?


One of them. Haven't seen him recently but he looked like him back in the day.

6'5" about 275 of solid muscle. Went into the Marines and trained guys in hand-to-hand combat from what I heard.
I don't think he should be in the baseball hall of fame then.

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He was pretty much a butcher, no doubt about that. My daughter has a better arm.


He didn't have a terrible arm. If I recall correctly he had a 90+ mph fastball.


You are dead wrong there Nas. How old are you? did you even see him play?

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I thought Thomas got an arm injury after a few years in the Majors that killed his ability to throw?

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stoneroses86 wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Similar Batters

1. Jeff Bagwell (874)
2. Manny Ramirez (865)
3. Fred McGriff (861)
4. Jim Thome (854)
5. MICKEY CHARLES MANTLE (840) ^
6. Gary Sheffield (832)
7. Albert Pujols (822)
8. Carlos Delgado (812)
9. Willie McCovey (812) ^
10. Jimmie Foxx (810) ^

^ - Signifies Hall of Famer


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomafr04.shtml


I have no idea what these numbers mean, but any list that has lame ass players like Jim Thome and Fred McGriff with more points than Mickey Charles Mantle has to be flawed.

Frank Thomas was a good hitter, but he had the benefit of the designated hitter. If there had been a designated hitter in the 1950's and 1960's, Mickey Charles Mantle might have had nine hundred (900) to one thousand (1,000) home runs.


"A good hitter....."

Oh brother, another clown!
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he may have been hurt in college. never could throw in the majors.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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We had over a dozen guys juicing on my high school football team when they were 16 in the mid-'80s. And we weren't exactly a football factory.
Do the guys from your high school football team look like Frank today?


One of them. Haven't seen him recently but he looked like him back in the day.

6'5" about 275 of solid muscle. Went into the Marines and trained guys in hand-to-hand combat from what I heard.
I don't think he should be in the baseball hall of fame then.


Then maybe they have 2 things in common.

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never could throw in the majors.
Not even Hawk talks about the best first baseman's arm he has ever seen. If there is one guy in the majors who you can get away with not being able to throw, its the first baseman.

And Jacque Jones and Juan Pierre

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