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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:54 pm 
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Oakland Raiders owner talks to San Antonio about move

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Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis, upset with the stadium situation, met with San Antonio officials about possibly relocating his team, the San Antonio Express-News reported. The Express-News said Davis met on the weekend of July 18 with former San Antonio mayor Henry Cisneros, then-mayor Julián Castro, city manager Sheryl Sculley, Mario Hernandez of the San Antonio Economic Development Foundation, and Richard Perez and David McGee, the president and chairman of the San Antonio Chamber of Commerce, respectively.

The meeting was confirmed when Sculley issued a memo to the city council after the Express-News story broke, describing it as "preliminary due diligence" after Davis expressed interest in a "possible relocation of his NFL team to San Antonio."

It's fair to wonder if this is a bluff by Davis, a move to put some heat on Oakland officials to get a new stadium. But it's worth noting that the meeting happened about a week-and-a-half ago, and the story was leaked to a San Antonio newspaper. If the Raiders were really just engaging in a public staredown, using San Antonio as a bargaining chip, part of that process is actually making the meeting public. Unless the Raiders decided to leak it to a media outlet in Texas first, they were very quiet on the situation.

Logically, it would make no sense to keep a bluff like this a secret. The Raiders put out a statement on the matter after the Express-News story came out:

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2 of 3 Mark Davis cont'd, Former San Antonio Mayor Henry Cisneros is a friend, and Henry suggested I take the opportunity to meet with..."

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3 of 3 Mark Davis, "...with some of the city officials while we were in town. I have nothing further to discuss on the topic."

One can interpret a statement like that in many ways, but it's at least worth noting that nowhere in the statement did Davis deny that relocation was discussed. In fact, the lack of a denial is kind of conspicuous by its absense, as is the way Davis' statement seems to dance around the subject. And unless Sculley was really fooled, based on her memo, it clearly was a topic of conversation.

San Antonio could house an NFL team. The Alamodome is there, and it is the home of the University of Texas at San Antonio's football team. It also has hosted NFL preseason games in the past, and the Alamo Bowl. It would need some renovations, or the Raiders will need a new stadium there, but it's not like the Raiders would need a stadium to be built to move there. There are plenty of hurdles to cross even if the Raiders decided to move, to San Antonio or anywhere else, but it's hard to dismiss this news as insigificant.

Oakland's lease is up at the worn out O.co Coliseum after this season. The Raiders want a new stadium. The meeting in San Antonio could be a sign that officials in Oakland are running out of time to get it done and keep the Raiders.

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Sounds like a bluff to me. Goodell has been strongly hinting that the Raiders should just move to Santa Clara with the 49ers, so I'll lean toward that.

Can't honestly say I like the idea of the Raiders in San Antonio and that shitty stadium.

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There is no way the NFL would approve a move to San Antonio unless a new arena deal was in place.

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Yeah, I have a feeling Jerrah would make it very difficult for anyone to move in permanently.

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Many people don't realize that San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US & the largest city besides LA without an NFL team. San Antonios population is 1.4 million, which is more than the combined populations of the San Fran (837K) & Oakland (406K).
Texas loves their football & the Raiders moving to SA might make sense.

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Many people don't realize that San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US & the largest city besides LA without an NFL team. San Antonios population is 1.4 million, which is more than the combined populations of the San Fran (837K) & Oakland (406K).
Texas loves their football & the Raiders moving to SA might make sense.

Plus the Spurs are already black and silver too. So siiick, this is a match made in heaven.


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Many people don't realize that San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US & the largest city besides LA without an NFL team. San Antonios population is 1.4 million, which is more than the combined populations of the San Fran (837K) & Oakland (406K).
Texas loves their football & the Raiders moving to SA might make sense.

City populations are meaningless. I would think Mr. I Hate Chicago would be the first one here to account for the suburban population of a metropolitan area, of which San Antonio's is rather meager.

The best measure for football is Combined Statistical Area, because it's easy to draw from far-flung areas within a city's orbit (think Michigan City to Chicago) for weekend events. San Antonio ranks 31st, behind NFL-lacking metros such as Portland, Orlando, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, and Cleveland. The San Francisco Bay Area has nearly 8.5 million people.

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They've already played 2nd fiddle to a superior, established, championship laden NBA team in a new town and got run out of town. Why would they want to do that again?

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if it weren't for katrina, it could've been the san antonio saints.


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Many people don't realize that San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the US & the largest city besides LA without an NFL team. San Antonios population is 1.4 million, which is more than the combined populations of the San Fran (837K) & Oakland (406K).
Texas loves their football & the Raiders moving to SA might make sense.

City populations are meaningless. I would think Mr. I Hate Chicago would be the first one here to account for the suburban population of a metropolitan area, of which San Antonio's is rather meager.

The best measure for football is Combined Statistical Area, because it's easy to draw from far-flung areas within a city's orbit (think Michigan City to Chicago) for weekend events. San Antonio ranks 31st, behind NFL-lacking metros such as Portland, Orlando, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, and Cleveland. The San Francisco Bay Area has nearly 8.5 million people.
Cleveland has an NFL team...sort of.

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Sounds like a bluff to me.


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Incidentally, I think Greater Chicago at its most liberal definition has to be over 10 million by now. The Raiders can move here and play at the Cell. Admit it, it's already sounding right.

EDIT: 63% of the San Antonio metropolitan area lives in San Antonio proper. Compare with 24% for Chicago, 10% for San Francisco, and just 8% for Boston. Interesting.

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Incidentally, I think Greater Chicago at its most liberal definition has to be over 10 million by now. The Raiders can move here and play at the Cell. Admit it, it's already sounding right.

EDIT: 63% of the San Antonio metropolitan area lives in San Antonio proper. Compare with 24% for Chicago, 10% for San Francisco, and just 8% for Boston. Interesting.

San Antonio would support a NFL team. I have no doubt of that, lots of family living there and they are starving for Sunday football. Football is so big down there.

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They have plenty of high school and college football to be satisfied with. We don't need an arid Jacksonville.

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They have plenty of high school and college football to be satisfied with. We don't need an arid Jacksonville.

eh. I think it would work. Floridians are lazy about their pro sports.

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There is no way in hell Jerry Jones would ever allow this to happen.

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And Texas isn't? Rockets attendance is nothing eye-catching, Astros attendance fell off a cliff, and of the ten people who attended a Dallas Stars game over the last four years, I'm pretty sure six of them flew down from Chicago. San Antonio is a small market with no league heritage and an insufficient stadium. Don't need it. Leave the Raiders in Oakland.

And yeah, no way Jerry Jones gives up a big chunk of Texas. Even Texans games are generally restricted to Houston and thereabouts.

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And Texas isn't? Rockets attendance is nothing eye-catching, Astros attendance fell off a cliff, and of the ten people who attended a Dallas Stars game over the last four years, I'm pretty sure six of them flew down from Chicago. San Antonio is a small market with no league heritage and an insufficient stadium. Don't need it. Leave the Raiders in Oakland.

And yeah, no way Jerry Jones gives up a big chunk of Texas. Even Texans games are generally restricted to Houston and thereabouts.

your last point is the best. But while the Rockets have a smaller capacity stadium, they do rank #5 in terms of percentage of their building filled. The Spurs are #9, that may be a better argument. Astros attendance falling off a cliff, well, that's to be expected, no? And hockey attendance, well I'm out of my league on that one.

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Well, Dallas got really into the Stars when they were riding high and in grand Texan tradition bought a bunch of expensive flashy shit, but as soon as things got kinda bad, they hit Coyotes/Panthers/Thrashers levels of emptiness but no one said anything because blah blah Mike Modano once. Now they have a new owner and finished in eighth place, so the fans are crawling back, but I am not impressed with the resolve of Texas sports fans.

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Stars/Coyotes/Panthers/Thrashers.


The NHL would be better off if these teams disappeared tomorrow. Add Columbus & Carolina too.

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There is no way the NFL would approve a move to San Antonio unless a new arena deal was in place.


yeah, they never have those deals worked out or in the works way ahead of time.

There is only one team in sports that has little to no control over their stadium future. BEAR

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