Yes, I disagree and I dont think you would call a second full season a "career year" in any other situation.


Or maybe Im wrong, was Andrew Luck's 2013 a career year?

I believe that Rizzo's rookie season existed. You don't.

I have no problem saying anyone in their third season had a career year.

The whole point is that this year is so much more productive than any other year Rizzo had that there is a danger that he will regress. We don't have that same level of knowledge on Abreu. All we know about Abreu at the MLB level is that he is this good, even with an injury and a pretty tough transition he made this year. That is it. It's not a personal attack on Rizzo to think the massive jump in production is not guaranteed to last.

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Please , just stop. its embarrassing . Abreu is a star... it was clear from his first week in the bigs, to anyone who knows baseball .

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Don't tell me how many you hit, tell me when you hit 'em. Abreu isn't afraid to drive in a big run.

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BRick is missing one important aspect. Only 8 of Abreu's HR's actually count according to sabrmetrics, so analytically it's like Rizzo has 3x as many home runs this year. Sox should probably just DFA Abreu now.

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I'd say that Abreu should start taking steroids, but we also now know they don't do any good.

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Do you not understand the term "full season"?




To say someone is peaking, which is what a career year is, after 2 full seasons worth of games is ridiculous.




This wording is hilarious. There is literally one full season to compare it to.


Anyway, you have a different definition of career year than I do. A career year cant be topped. You cant have multiple career years. My definition of career year suggests well established averages (5 seasons for MLB and NBA, 3 seasons for NFL)

I do but for some reason you think I'm wrong to count it for him. You added in the full season stuff.
That is a pretty bad definition.

Your point seems to be that you need to wait until the career is over to even use the term. I disagree.

If it makes you feel better, I'll phrase it in a different way. I think it's more likely that Rizzo regresses from this year than Abreu does. It is that simple. Argue you want all about whether Rizzo is in his second or third year, or the definition of career year. It still doesn't change any of the actual point.

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There is far more accessible tape on AA and AAA prospects than there is on a Cuban professional star. Additionally, teams only have x amount of man power and time to dedicate to the task.

AL teams are going to focus on figuring out Abreu this coming off-season. Whether they can or not, we'll see. But you never judge any player ever based on their first professional season.

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Abreu was the one at a disadvantage this year. He *should* be a better all-around player next year.

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Nah, advantage. He plays in the premier hitter park. Mini Coors.

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I had to add it because you're acting like he's had two full seasons before this year by calling it his third year


No, it's the correct one.

Yours is contradictory in nature. You cant have multiple career years



Not true. After a player has established averages, its pretty easy. Like Rich Gannon in football or Luis Gonazalez in baseball. Its pretty rare in the NBA.


I dont need to feel better. You keep projecting anger on to me. Im simply having a discussion on a sports message board.

Your wording about regression makes sense. But when you explained it you acted like "we know what Rizzo is"

I find that to be a fairly silly position.

Exactly. IMU is tying himself up in knots here. He needs to just accept that the White Sox have one of the five best hitters in baseball signed up long term for like $11M/year.

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We may be able to discuss this tomorrow evening. I'll bring poster board.

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The point is that you clearly think that there are guys who have never played a game in the majors who are going to dominate soon but you have major doubts about a guy how is doing it today.

It's almost August. These teams would have started to figure him out now. As I've pointed out, it is more likely that Abreu is better setup for success next year than it is for him to be caught by others. He had to adjust to America, a new league, and overcome an injury. At least two of those things won't be a problem next year. Teams have plenty of tape on him and they haven't figured it out yet. I doubt some guy with the Royals is going to suddenly stand up in the film room and say "We've got him now! Throw the high heat!".

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The Cub fans on the Score this morning can't wait for him to opt out in a couple years.

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He is having an awesome season but he's also probably 31...

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Abreu's bat is not in question and never should be.


If he's healthy, he'll mash. The health is the only question.

You really are trying hard here.

You can have a career year that is then passed by another career year.

So basically we have to wait until Rizzo is about 35 for him to finally have a career year?

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You're mixing me up with other Cubs fans. I've not guaranteed any one Cubs prospect will succeed, and the only one I think has a great chance is Kris Bryant. I see the huge potential in Baez and Alcantara, but I also see huge swing and miss issues and defensive miscues for Baez. Soler has composition issues. Almora and Russell are too early for me to form strong opinions on. And the Cubs pitching prospects are ceiling 3's at best, minus Arrieta who is proving himself.

That is a far cry from "dominating."

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Did I really read in here Brick suggesting Abreu could be 20?

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I actually thought it was a pretty funny way to mock the people trolling about Abreu's age.

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I must have misread pretty much every post on prospects you have made.

By the way, anyone else have a ceiling of Mike Trout in the Cubs organization?

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Those idiots are wrong. After three years Abreu can opt out of the guaranteed money and try to make more thru the arbitration process. He is under team control for 6 years.

I haven't seen his birth certificate.

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No, I'm not. You obviously have a poor understanding of the term.


Then the first one is not a career year, is it?


No, we just need Rizzo to establish averages. After next year he'll have had 3 full seasons and a couple halves. That should be enough to know what he is.

For example, if he ends up hitting around 30-35 homers for the next 5 years and then hits 64 that's a career year.


A career year by definition is one year that sticks out as way better than the rest.

Peyton Manning second season was better than his first. No one would have called it a career year.

This career year argument is terrible. I'm ashamed of both of you.



Anyway, I think there's a SOLID chance Abreu ends up far superior to Rizzo in career OPS.

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You are spending a lot of words arguing about semantics. Isn't that my job?

Use the term "career year so far" if you want instead. I don't really care. It still doesn't change anything.

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The age thing isnt a trolling subject. Its a concern when you factor in health.

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Concern is probably the wrong word to use when it is only brought up by trolling Cub fans.

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