I'm not rehashing the debate. You said you don't think anyone was held back which is what I said. sini thinks Baez was held back.

I'm not rehashing the debate. You said you don't think anyone was held back which is what I said. sini thinks Baez was held back.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

If Tampa doesn't move price I hope the cubs trade a couple prospects in the off season for him.

Yeah, and Sini is saying Baez was the best player in camp that year but I dont think that really matters. For example, Olt raked in spring training this year.

Well, if that happens, you'll know that Theo has ripped up "the Plan". The entire core of Epstein's philosophy- and he's stated it over and over and over again- is that he will not pay for past performance, but only for future performance. And I think that's a really sound philosophy. But it puts him in a bit of a trick bag when trying to acquire pitching because team just don't let these guys go when they're under control and in their prime. So you either have to find Arrietas (great move!) or you are going to be paying a relatively old guy like Scherzer for what he's already done. I think it's more likely that you see a blockbuster trade of a few of those heavy prospects for a guy like Darvish than some crazy free agent signing. At least I would hope so if I were a Cub fan and really believed in "the Plan".

I wouldn't be shocked if they traded Rizzo. Nobody ever talks about that, but they have a lot of corner types coming on. If you really think Bryant and Schwarber are serious guys, they're going to have to play somewhere.

"This may be a dumb question, but isn't a lot of the "Cubs minor league is stocked!" stuff because they seemingly have refused to bring up anyone who deserves it until it was almost impossible to keep them down?"

This implies a lot of players. Even if Baez is an example (which I disagree with), it still doesn't support your premise. And Alcantara completely shatters it, really.

Scoreboard baby. Just win. Seriously who the hell cares if they change their vision or were full of shit in some interviews?

Alcantara was not on the MLB club when the statement was made so not sure what your point is.

It's ok to disagree. Just own that you don't think any players have been held back. That is it.

I wouldn't be shocked if they traded Rizzo. Nobody ever talks about that, but they have a lot of corner types coming on. If you really think Bryant and Schwarber are serious guys, they're going to have to play somewhere.

Who the fuck cares about the plan?

Scoreboard baby. Just win. Seriously who the hell cares if they change their vision or were full of shit in some interviews?

It's ok that what you said was wrong at the time, and is now pretty much disproved, though.

So you really weren't on board with "the Plan", "the right way"! Isn't that exactly what Rick and dolphin and jimmypasta have said in mocking Cub fans and the dumb loyalty to a "plan" that you now admit may not even exist?

It's also suggesting the plan isn't allowed to adapt, or to have different processes at different parts of the evolution. What they wanted to do the first day they got to Chicago isn't what they want to do now that they are on the cusp of some of the young guys coming up.

So sometimes it's okay to pay for past performance? Like I said, Theo Epstein, one of the world's greatest con men. And it's working!

No, sometimes it's ok to overpay for future performance. Huge difference.

There was a lot of talk about "career years" in that other thread yesterday. I'm 100% certain that Max Scherzer has already had his career year.

Yeah, and Sini is saying Baez was the best player in camp that year but I dont think that really matters. For example, Olt raked in spring training this year.

Les Grobstein's huge hog is proof that God has a sense of humor, isn't it?

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

So sometimes it's okay to pay for past performance? Like I said, Theo Epstein, one of the world's greatest con men. And it's working!

So you really weren't on board with "the Plan", "the right way"! Isn't that exactly what Rick and dolphin and jimmypasta have said in mocking Cub fans and the dumb loyalty to a "plan" that you now admit may not even exist?

It's also funny that bringing up Rizzo "too early" is called a mistake.

Looks like it certainly derailed his career!

Well, you said his career peaked at 24. That kind of sucks.

It's also funny that bringing up Rizzo "too early" is called a mistake.

Looks like it certainly derailed his career!

So sometimes it's okay to pay for past performance? Like I said, Theo Epstein, one of the world's greatest con men. And it's working!

What?

You're actually arguing that bringing a player up was a good idea even though he was completely not ready and had to go back to the minors for a year?

i meant this year. IIRC the cubs showed him off @ ST 2yrs ago, but back then he was an A ball player or whatever so it wasn't gonna happen... when they did again after a 37HR/111RBI season between A/AA and he got his electric-ass dumped to iowa, well, yeah dude. the cubs shouldn't be fearful of highly touted prospects showing up and immediately shitting the bed.... does anyone remember the cosmic vortex of suck that rizzo was when he first came up with the padres?