BRick and JORR argue with RPB RE: The Plan (also trades)

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Starting a post with "Thats absolutely not accurate. Quite the opposite." and then basically agreeing with me is a strange tactic.

Im not agreeing with you.

You agreed with JORR saying Cub fans had loyalty to a plan

Thats not accurate. Definitely not in my case and probably not most

JORR and me are saying that "The Plan" was basically a made up construct since it is only the plan until it's not the plan.

You then said how they win doesn't matter and the plan simply needs to be to make the best decisions at the best times.

You quoted this post and so I took it you agreed with it.

Rick and dolphin and jimmypasta have said in mocking Cub fans and the dumb loyalty to a "plan" that you now admit may not even exist?

bigfan · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:01 pm

Yeah, it's the Southside "Higher standard :roll:

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:05 pm

South, north, east, west has nothing to do with it.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:10 pm

Quote:

11:52am: The Red Sox are sending a minor leaguer to the Cardinals along with Lackey, tweets WEEI’s Alex Speier. The Sox will also send around $1.75MM to the Cardinals, tweets Yahoo’s Jeff Passan.

Woah.

That's a decent haul for Lackey. He has the $500K contract next year but what if he retires?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

This all boils down to a very basic principle

No matter what Cub fans do, its wrong and to be mocked.

High expectations: Who in the hell do you think you are?

Medium expectations: Oh I thought Theo was a genius?

Low expectations: Well this is why you guys suck. You gotta stop going to the games

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:16 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

No matter what Cub fans do, its wrong and to be mocked.

And /thread.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:16 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Starting a post with "Thats absolutely not accurate. Quite the opposite." and then basically agreeing with me is a strange tactic.

Im not agreeing with you.

You agreed with JORR saying Cub fans had loyalty to a plan

Thats not accurate. Definitely not in my case and probably not most

JORR and me are saying that "The Plan" was basically a made up construct since it is only the plan until it's not the plan.

You then said how they win doesn't matter and the plan simply needs to be to make the best decisions at the best times.

You quoted this post and so I took it you agreed with it.

Rick and dolphin and jimmypasta have said in mocking Cub fans and the dumb loyalty to a "plan" that you now admit may not even exist?

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1450415#p1450415

Seems like the "plan" was much different at the time of that post, and yet everyone is still seemingly on board with it after it has changed.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:18 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

This all boils down to a very basic principle

No matter what Cub fans do, its wrong and to be mocked.

High expectations: Who in the hell do you think you are?

Medium expectations: Oh I thought Theo was a genius?

Low expectations: Well this is why you guys suck. You gotta stop going to the games

Nope. I seem to remember you getting praise for wanting them to be good this year when it was discussed last year.

Cubs fans should expect a playoff appearance next year and nothing else should be acceptable.

IMU · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:21 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1450415#p1450415[/url]

Seems like the "plan" was much different at the time of that post, and yet everyone is still seemingly on board with it after it has changed.

Quote:

As much as the NFL is a bunch of 8-8 teams, MLB has a lot of parody too.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1450415#p1450415

Seems like the "plan" was much different at the time of that post, and yet everyone is still seemingly on board with it after it has changed.

The loyalty is to the team, not the plan.

What do you expect Cub fans to do? Be angry if they sign Max Schererser?

I always want the Cubs to win and will like any move that I think helps.

BTW, The sacred talk of "the Plan" and Theo's genius is mostly a Dan Bernstein/Rozner thing

Ive heard Sox fans use the term "the plan" about 10 times as many times as Cub fans

And this proves my point. There is no winning with certain people.

When the plan was supposed to be largely about the minors Sox fans screamed "spend like a big market team!!!"

If they spend Sox fans scream "thats not THE PLAN!!!??"

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

This all boils down to a very basic principle

No matter what Cub fans do, its wrong and to be mocked.

High expectations: Who in the hell do you think you are?

Medium expectations: Oh I thought Theo was a genius?

Low expectations: Well this is why you guys suck. You gotta stop going to the games

Nope. I seem to remember you getting praise for wanting them to be good this year when it was discussed last year.

Cubs fans should expect a playoff appearance next year and nothing else should be acceptable.

No, see that will be mocked as unrealistic and Theo worship by many.

Honestly, do you not see this?

There is no correct way to be a Cub fan according to CSFMB

If you're optimistic, you're an idiot
If you're pessimistic, you have low standards

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:30 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Starting a post with "Thats absolutely not accurate. Quite the opposite." and then basically agreeing with me is a strange tactic.

Im not agreeing with you.

You agreed with JORR saying Cub fans had loyalty to a plan

Thats not accurate. Definitely not in my case and probably not most

But the only thing that made giving away three or four seasons okay was the fact that it was part of a very specific plan and a core philosophy. If that plan and core philosophy doesn't exist, then what was the point? To put a bunch of money in Ricketts' bank account? Poor jimmypasta almost died while Theo was throwing away seasons and it apparently wasn't even part of a plan.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:32 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1450415#p1450415

Seems like the "plan" was much different at the time of that post, and yet everyone is still seemingly on board with it after it has changed.

The loyalty is to the team, not the plan.

What do you expect Cub fans to do? Be angry if they sign Max Schererser?

I always want the Cubs to win and will like any move that I think helps.

BTW, The sacred talk of "the Plan" and Theo's genius is mostly a Dan Bernstein/Rozner thing

Ive heard Sox fans use the term "the plan" about 10 times as many times as Cub fans

And this proves my point. There is no winning with certain people.

When the plan was supposed to be largely about the minors Sox fans screamed "spend like a big market team!!!"

If they spend Sox fans scream "thats not THE PLAN!!!??"

90s Braves. "Rebuilding the right way". "Plan for sustained success".

I'm not sure just making "The Plan" up.

I think your problem is that you take it as a personal shot when we are talking about people who aren't you.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:33 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

No, see that will be mocked as unrealistic and Theo worship by many.

Honestly, do you not see this?

There is no correct way to be a Cub fan according to CSFMB

If you're optimistic, you're an idiot
If you're pessimistic, you have low standards

I'll be very happy to have as many Cubs fans as possible go on record that "playoffs or bust" is the expectation for next year.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Starting a post with "Thats absolutely not accurate. Quite the opposite." and then basically agreeing with me is a strange tactic.

Im not agreeing with you.

You agreed with JORR saying Cub fans had loyalty to a plan

Thats not accurate. Definitely not in my case and probably not most

But the only thing that made giving away three or four seasons okay was the fact that it was part of a very specific plan and a core philosophy. If that plan and core philosophy doesn't exist, then what was the point? To put a bunch of money in Ricketts' bank account? Poor jimmypasta almost died while Theo was throwing away seasons and it apparently wasn't even part of a plan.

First of all, I dont think signing a free agent pitcher means that the minor league system wasnt restocked.

The main point of the plan was to restock the minor league system, which regardless of what happens in the future, has been achieved.

But either way, there is no loyalty to any plan (excepting Denis and Bernstein)

Most Cub fans just want them to win. Some think restocking the minors with top draft picks is a better gamble than free agents. But most everyone agrees if they win, they win and the HOW isnt gonna matter

KDdidit · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:37 pm

How do fan expectations get you closer to a championship?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I think your problem is that you take it as a personal shot when we are talking about people who aren't you.

Right because people say "Cub fans ___" instead of "Denis ___" or "IMU____"

Generalizations are no fun

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:40 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I think your problem is that you take it as a personal shot when we are talking about people who aren't you.

Right because people say "Cub fans ___" instead of "Denis ___" or "IMU____"

Generalizations are no fun

There were good Germans in Nazi Germany too. You are still a Nazi.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

No, see that will be mocked as unrealistic and Theo worship by many.

Honestly, do you not see this?

There is no correct way to be a Cub fan according to CSFMB

If you're optimistic, you're an idiot
If you're pessimistic, you have low standards

I'll be very happy to have as many Cubs fans as possible go on record that "playoffs or bust" is the expectation for next year.

Its World Series or bust for me every year

Why does it matter?

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:41 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Starting a post with "Thats absolutely not accurate. Quite the opposite." and then basically agreeing with me is a strange tactic.

Im not agreeing with you.

You agreed with JORR saying Cub fans had loyalty to a plan

Thats not accurate. Definitely not in my case and probably not most

But the only thing that made giving away three or four seasons okay was the fact that it was part of a very specific plan and a core philosophy. If that plan and core philosophy doesn't exist, then what was the point? To put a bunch of money in Ricketts' bank account? Poor jimmypasta almost died while Theo was throwing away seasons and it apparently wasn't even part of a plan.

First of all, I dont think signing a free agent pitcher means that the minor league system wasnt restocked.

The main point of the plan was to restock the minor league system, which regardless of what happens in the future, has been achieved.

But either way, there is no loyalty to any plan (excepting Denis and Bernstein)

Most Cub fans just want them to win. Some think restocking the minors with top draft picks is a better gamble than free agents. But most everyone agrees if they win, they win and the HOW isnt gonna matter

We're not talking about signing a free agent pitcher. I said that Epstein has made it pretty clear that he doesn't believe the route to sustained success is paying for performance that a guy has already had for some other team. I agree with that. I'm not bashing Theo. I'm just pointing out how funny it is that some fans (NOT YOU! NOT YOU! SOME! SOME! NOT JUST bERNSTEIN! SOME IN THIS THREAD!!!!!) who acted like Theo and his plan made the Cubs superior to everyone else, now have their cocks out in anticipation of breaking the bank on a long term deal by paying for a pitcher's past performance. If that was what you were going to do, you could have been paying free agents all along and not acting like you were superior to Jim Hendry. But in fairness to Theo, he hasn't actually done it yet and I don't believe he will.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:41 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Its World Series or bust for me every year

Why does it matter?

No it isn't. No way.

You'd be demanding Theo be fired if that were the case.

City of Fools · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:43 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

I think your problem is that you take it as a personal shot when we are talking about people who aren't you.

Right because people say "Cub fans ___" instead of "Denis ___" or "IMU____"

Generalizations are no fun

There were good Germans in Nazi Germany too. You are still a Nazi.

that's a particularly annoying and silly comparison. Why not name specific posters when you are railing against Cubs fans and playing both sides of "you're too optimistic" and "how can you be so pessimistic and still agree with the plan".

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

who acted like Theo and his plan made the Cubs superior to everyone else,

Are you serious?

Put Sox Fan Dan Bernstein aside for a moment. Who else said anything to make you believe such a ridiculous notion?

City of Fools · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:45 pm

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Im not agreeing with you.

You agreed with JORR saying Cub fans had loyalty to a plan

Thats not accurate. Definitely not in my case and probably not most

But the only thing that made giving away three or four seasons okay was the fact that it was part of a very specific plan and a core philosophy. If that plan and core philosophy doesn't exist, then what was the point? To put a bunch of money in Ricketts' bank account? Poor jimmypasta almost died while Theo was throwing away seasons and it apparently wasn't even part of a plan.

First of all, I dont think signing a free agent pitcher means that the minor league system wasnt restocked.

The main point of the plan was to restock the minor league system, which regardless of what happens in the future, has been achieved.

But either way, there is no loyalty to any plan (excepting Denis and Bernstein)

Most Cub fans just want them to win. Some think restocking the minors with top draft picks is a better gamble than free agents. But most everyone agrees if they win, they win and the HOW isnt gonna matter

We're not talking about signing a free agent pitcher. I said that Epstein has made it pretty clear that he doesn't believe the route to sustained success is paying for performance that a guy has already had for some other team. I agree with that. I'm not bashing Theo. I'm just pointing out how funny it is that some fans (NOT YOU! NOT YOU! SOME! SOME! NOT JUST bERNSTEIN! SOME IN THIS THREAD!!!!!) who acted like Theo and his plan made the Cubs superior to everyone else, now have their cocks out in anticipation of breaking the bank on a long term deal by paying for a pitcher's past performance. If that was what you were going to do, you could have been paying free agents all along and not acting like you were superior to Jim Hendry. But in fairness to Theo, he hasn't actually done it yet and I don't believe he will.

y'know...strange things happen. Some pitchers have success before AND project to have success after...

City of Fools · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:46 pm

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Its World Series or bust for me every year

Why does it matter?

No it isn't. No way.

You'd be demanding Theo be fired if that were the case.

It's make the playoffs or bust for me every year. I'm disappointed that magical Theo can't rebuild and contend for a playoff spot last year. However, I see no reason why his rebuild can't work well now that it is halfway along.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Its World Series or bust for me every year

Why does it matter?

No it isn't. No way.

You'd be demanding Theo be fired if that were the case.

I dont know what you're asking then.

Whenever a team celebrates the WS Im pissed it isnt the Cubs.

I want them to win every year. Im not happy with 2008 type seasons because its been a 105 fucking years. Just win already.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:48 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Its World Series or bust for me every year

Why does it matter?

No it isn't. No way.

You'd be demanding Theo be fired if that were the case.

I dont know what you're asking then.

Whenever a team celebrates the WS Im pissed it isnt the Cubs.

I want them to win every year. Im not happy with 2008 type seasons because its been a 105 fucking years. Just win already.

My question is simple.

If the Cubs don't make the playoffs next year, is it a failure by Theo and Jed?

If your standards are truly that high then is it fair to call Theo and Jed pretty massive failures?

IMU · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:49 pm

RPB really, really cares what Sox fans think about him and the way he roots for his team.

I believe RPB and I have the same view on all of it, but he goes out of his way to separate himself from me, Denis, and all other Cubs fans.

Hey Bryan, it is a lot easier if you don't give a fuck.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:50 pm

rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

who acted like Theo and his plan made the Cubs superior to everyone else,

Are you serious?

Put Sox Fan Dan Bernstein aside for a moment. Who else said anything to make you believe such a ridiculous notion?

Come on, dude! I can find all kinds of posts suggesting that.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:52 pm

City of Fools wrote:

y'know...strange things happen. Some pitchers have success before AND project to have success after...

True, but the likelihood is that whoever signs Lester, Shields, and especially Scherzer is not going to get great value for their dollar. Do you really disagree with that?

BRick and JORR argue with RPB RE: The Plan (also trades)

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