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That's dumb. The reason he doesn't "own" the city is the same reason you don't. Neither of you is playing elite basketball. If he comes back and does that, he will "own" the city.

As much as you, bernstein- whoever- wants to tell him how to behave, you don't get to. He and his advisors will decide what's best for him and his career. I'm sorry B.J. Armstrong isn't Jewish. Maybe you need to scold John Paxson for not fostering a better relationship with his top player's agent.


:lol: There is absolutely nothing Paxson could do beyond turning back the hands of time and giving Armstrong his job.

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It's a great day! Only 6 days before the Bears Super Bowl season kicks off.

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bernstein has been killing this kid for having the temerity to come back on his own schedule when a doctor on Jerry's payroll said he should come back sooner. That's exactly where a whole lot of this crap stems from. All this guy has done is played his ass off when he's been healthy and done good stuff in the community where he grew up.


The fact of the matter is that Rose's team has no idea how to manage his image or his relationship with Bulls management.

Rose is an idiot for picking B.J. Armstrong to represent him, especially given the terms under which Armstrong departed from the Bulls.

There are a hundred other, more qualified guys Rose could have selected. Instead he picked the malcontent who has an axe to grind with his former club. That's pretty dumb, and his lack of foresight has come back to bite him in the ass.

Maybe he doesn't care if he's perceived as a soft player with a questionable commitment to winning, though. His quotes in Cowley's article make it clear that he's fairly content with appearing to be a self-absorbed cretin.

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Am I missing something ? I do indeed loathe Cowley, but he broke no news as far as I can see.

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It's a great day! Only 6 days before the Bears Super Bowl season kicks off.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
bernstein has been killing this kid for having the temerity to come back on his own schedule when a doctor on Jerry's payroll said he should come back sooner. That's exactly where a whole lot of this crap stems from. All this guy has done is played his ass off when he's been healthy and done good stuff in the community where he grew up.


The fact of the matter is that Rose's team has no idea how to manage his image or his relationship with Bulls management.

Rose is an idiot for picking B.J. Armstrong to represent him, especially given the terms under which Armstrong departed from the Bulls.

There are a hundred other, more qualified guys Rose could have selected. Instead he picked the malcontent who has an axe to grind with his former club. That's pretty dumb, and his lack of foresight has come back to bite him in the ass.

Maybe he doesn't care if he's perceived as a soft player with a questionable commitment to winning, though. His quotes in Cowley's article make it clear that he's fairly content with appearing to be a self-absorbed cretin.


You think he's perceived as soft? I'm pretty sure that's wrong, at least among those who play against him. And is he self-absorbed? Probably. Like most human beings. I don't think John Paxson and Jerry Reinsdorf have the slightest concern about Derrick Rose other than what he can do for them.

Basically, it comes down to a lot of you wanting star players to do the GM's job (when you aren't criticizing star players for acting like GMs :lol: ). Paxson and Forman get paid a lot of money to find players for the Bulls. But they need Derrick Rose to help them? Maybe Rose isn't paid enough. And if you're going to insist on your players being part of your management team, then maybe you should consider their opinions. Anthony is a turd. Talk about a guy who has a rep for being "soft"! Rose knows it. Doesn't want to play with him. Won't recruit him. If Paxson needs assistance with his job from Rose, he should get Rose's opinion first. Or do his fucking job himself.

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I have no problem with Rose not recruiting , its not his job. My beef was when he didn't come back for the post season 2 years ago..it was equally as dumb as LBJ "decision " PR wise.

All will be forgiven n forgotten when he comes back to top form this season , unless he gets hurt again ...then I'm done.

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That's my problem with him also. He could have played two yrs ago and didn't. I'm an Anthony fan but I had no problem with the non recruiting of him. But if Rose is reluctant to play with him because he may take away some of his shine then that is a problem. It's selfish if he thinks that way and it may hurt the Bulls organization if he is reluctant to play with other star players. My problem is that everything that I read two yrs ago alluded to him being able to play and refusing to do so. That does bother as a fan of the team. He provided his reason and the closest I could ascertain from him was that he was 100%. The old adage is that if you can play you play and I think he could've played.

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That's my problem with him also. He could have played two yrs ago and didn't. I'm an Anthony fan but I had no problem with the non recruiting of him. But if Rose is reluctant to play with him because he may take away some of his shine then that is a problem. It's selfish if he thinks that way and it may hurt the Bulls organization if he is reluctant to play with other star players. My problem is that everything that I read two yrs ago alluded to him being able to play and refusing to do so. That does bother as a fan of the team. He provided his reason and the closest I could ascertain from him was that he was 100%. The old adage is that if you can play you play and I think he could've played.


But my question would be, why do you think he could have played? Because bernstein bleated that he could every day? Because a doctor who almost killed Deng said he could? He didn't even look like he could play four months later at the beginning of last season. And now he is dominating a group of top players. Frankly, I think the second knee injury is the best thing that ever happened to him.

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The "stopped hi rehab" is a Score meme now especially with his clones on the air. Do not even remember who it was on the air Sunday morning until about 9am. He was parroting Bernsie on the Rose rehab and cutting off callers doubting perfectly.

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The "stopped hi rehab" is a Score meme now especially with his clones on the air. Do not even remember who it was on the air Sunday morning until about 9am. He was parroting Bernsie on the Rose rehab and cutting off callers doubting perfectly.


That whole story which has now become a meme on the Score has never been reported anywhere else. At least not in quite the same way. It's a story that is based solely upon bernstein's perceptions, with said perceptions being informed by an extraordinary- almost pathological- faith in doctors.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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bernstein has been killing this kid for having the temerity to come back on his own schedule when a doctor on Jerry's payroll said he should come back sooner. That's exactly where a whole lot of this crap stems from. All this guy has done is played his ass off when he's been healthy and done good stuff in the community where he grew up.


The fact of the matter is that Rose's team has no idea how to manage his image or his relationship with Bulls management.

Rose is an idiot for picking B.J. Armstrong to represent him, especially given the terms under which Armstrong departed from the Bulls.

There are a hundred other, more qualified guys Rose could have selected. Instead he picked the malcontent who has an axe to grind with his former club. That's pretty dumb, and his lack of foresight has come back to bite him in the ass.

Maybe he doesn't care if he's perceived as a soft player with a questionable commitment to winning, though. His quotes in Cowley's article make it clear that he's fairly content with appearing to be a self-absorbed cretin.


You think he's perceived as soft? I'm pretty sure that's wrong, at least among those who play against him. And is he self-absorbed? Probably. Like most human beings. I don't think John Paxson and Jerry Reinsdorf have the slightest concern about Derrick Rose other than what he can do for them.

Basically, it comes down to a lot of you wanting star players to do the GM's job (when you aren't criticizing star players for acting like GMs :lol: ). Paxson and Forman get paid a lot of money to find players for the Bulls. But they need Derrick Rose to help them? Maybe Rose isn't paid enough. And if you're going to insist on your players being part of your management team, then maybe you should consider their opinions. Anthony is a turd. Talk about a guy who has a rep for being "soft"! Rose knows it. Doesn't want to play with him. Won't recruit him. If Paxson needs assistance with his job from Rose, he should get Rose's opinion first. Or do his fucking job himself.


You seem to be preoccupied with discussing narrow definitions of organizational responsibilities rather than commenting on the way the NBA often functions. Established players frequently help recruit free agents to their teams. Rose does this himself. As the Cowley article indicates, he helped recruit Gasol, but brushed Melo off. So why would he prefer a second-tier player over a first-tier player? Maybe the fact that he declares his aspiration to become an "icon"--not a champion--helps explain his behavior. He wants to win, but only on his terms. He's obviously afraid of being overshadowed in his hometown, and that's exactly what would have transpired if Melo had come to the Bulls.

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That's my problem with him also. He could have played two yrs ago and didn't. I'm an Anthony fan but I had no problem with the non recruiting of him. But if Rose is reluctant to play with him because he may take away some of his shine then that is a problem. It's selfish if he thinks that way and it may hurt the Bulls organization if he is reluctant to play with other star players. My problem is that everything that I read two yrs ago alluded to him being able to play and refusing to do so. That does bother as a fan of the team. He provided his reason and the closest I could ascertain from him was that he was 100%. The old adage is that if you can play you play and I think he could've played.


But my question would be, why do you think he could have played? Because bernstein bleated that he could every day? Because a doctor who almost killed Deng said he could? He didn't even look like he could play four months later at the beginning of last season. And now he is dominating a group of top players. Frankly, I think the second knee injury is the best thing that ever happened to him.
I believed he could've played not so much because of Bernstein other reports had him going full speed in practice. He was practicing with the team for 2 months prior to the start of the playoffs. That's what led me to believe he could play. Physically it's false to say he looked bad last yr. He moved around fine. His game looked off it had nothing to do with physically being unable to play. Rose also stated that his vertical increased so even he believed he was back physically.

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Exactly ^


I know he was dunking in practice n running full speed...he should have played..when he finally came back ...he looked fine physically ..his jumper sucked.

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bernstein has been killing this kid for having the temerity to come back on his own schedule when a doctor on Jerry's payroll said he should come back sooner. That's exactly where a whole lot of this crap stems from. All this guy has done is played his ass off when he's been healthy and done good stuff in the community where he grew up.


The fact of the matter is that Rose's team has no idea how to manage his image or his relationship with Bulls management.

Rose is an idiot for picking B.J. Armstrong to represent him, especially given the terms under which Armstrong departed from the Bulls.

There are a hundred other, more qualified guys Rose could have selected. Instead he picked the malcontent who has an axe to grind with his former club. That's pretty dumb, and his lack of foresight has come back to bite him in the ass.

Maybe he doesn't care if he's perceived as a soft player with a questionable commitment to winning, though. His quotes in Cowley's article make it clear that he's fairly content with appearing to be a self-absorbed cretin.


You think he's perceived as soft? I'm pretty sure that's wrong, at least among those who play against him. And is he self-absorbed? Probably. Like most human beings. I don't think John Paxson and Jerry Reinsdorf have the slightest concern about Derrick Rose other than what he can do for them.

Basically, it comes down to a lot of you wanting star players to do the GM's job (when you aren't criticizing star players for acting like GMs :lol: ). Paxson and Forman get paid a lot of money to find players for the Bulls. But they need Derrick Rose to help them? Maybe Rose isn't paid enough. And if you're going to insist on your players being part of your management team, then maybe you should consider their opinions. Anthony is a turd. Talk about a guy who has a rep for being "soft"! Rose knows it. Doesn't want to play with him. Won't recruit him. If Paxson needs assistance with his job from Rose, he should get Rose's opinion first. Or do his fucking job himself.


You seem to be preoccupied with discussing narrow definitions of organizational responsibilities rather than commenting on the way the NBA often functions. Established players frequently help recruit free agents to their teams. Rose does this himself. As the Cowley article indicates, he helped recruit Gasol, but brushed Melo off. So why would he prefer a second-tier player over a first-tier player? Maybe the fact that he declares his aspiration to become an "icon"--not a champion--helps explain his behavior. He wants to win, but only on his terms. He's obviously afraid of being overshadowed in his hometown, and that's exactly what would have transpired if Melo had come to the Bulls.


Couldn't agree more.

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bernstein has been killing this kid for having the temerity to come back on his own schedule when a doctor on Jerry's payroll said he should come back sooner. That's exactly where a whole lot of this crap stems from. All this guy has done is played his ass off when he's been healthy and done good stuff in the community where he grew up.


The fact of the matter is that Rose's team has no idea how to manage his image or his relationship with Bulls management.

Rose is an idiot for picking B.J. Armstrong to represent him, especially given the terms under which Armstrong departed from the Bulls.

There are a hundred other, more qualified guys Rose could have selected. Instead he picked the malcontent who has an axe to grind with his former club. That's pretty dumb, and his lack of foresight has come back to bite him in the ass.

Maybe he doesn't care if he's perceived as a soft player with a questionable commitment to winning, though. His quotes in Cowley's article make it clear that he's fairly content with appearing to be a self-absorbed cretin.


You think he's perceived as soft? I'm pretty sure that's wrong, at least among those who play against him. And is he self-absorbed? Probably. Like most human beings. I don't think John Paxson and Jerry Reinsdorf have the slightest concern about Derrick Rose other than what he can do for them.

Basically, it comes down to a lot of you wanting star players to do the GM's job (when you aren't criticizing star players for acting like GMs :lol: ). Paxson and Forman get paid a lot of money to find players for the Bulls. But they need Derrick Rose to help them? Maybe Rose isn't paid enough. And if you're going to insist on your players being part of your management team, then maybe you should consider their opinions. Anthony is a turd. Talk about a guy who has a rep for being "soft"! Rose knows it. Doesn't want to play with him. Won't recruit him. If Paxson needs assistance with his job from Rose, he should get Rose's opinion first. Or do his fucking job himself.


You seem to be preoccupied with discussing narrow definitions of organizational responsibilities rather than commenting on the way the NBA often functions. Established players frequently help recruit free agents to their teams. Rose does this himself. As the Cowley article indicates, he helped recruit Gasol, but brushed Melo off. So why would he prefer a second-tier player over a first-tier player? Maybe the fact that he declares his aspiration to become an "icon"--not a champion--helps explain his behavior. He wants to win, but only on his terms. He's obviously afraid of being overshadowed in his hometown, and that's exactly what would have transpired if Melo had come to the Bulls.


Or maybe because one guy is an asshole.

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^^^ Hardly compelling.

Whatever evidence may exist from his career choices on and off the court only portrays as Rose being a dumbass, completely self-interested or, imo most likely, both.

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Or maybe because one guy is an asshole.


Is LeBron an asshole, too? Because Rose wanted nothing to do with him when he was a free agent a few years back.

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^^^ Hardly compelling.

Whatever evidence may exist from his career choices on and off the court only portrays as Rose being a dumbass, completely self-interested or, imo most likely, both.


How do you figure? That's your narrative, not his. He seems happy, healthy, and rich as fuck.

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Or maybe because one guy is an asshole.


Is LeBron an asshole, too? Because Rose wanted nothing to do with him when he was a free agent a few years back.


Undoubtedly. Or have you forgotten "The Decision" and his tweet about how he may have lost but you're still poor?

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The Lebron stuff was done after he signed with Miami so it shouldn't effect the prospect of Rose recruiting him. Also he has been using the Jeter comments which Sam Smith keeps touting If that is to be believed then why Gasol and not Anthony. It is bullshit because recruiting Gasol undermines the great Taj Gibson and also Boozer who was still a member of the team.

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The Lebron stuff was done after he signed with Miami so it shouldn't effect the prospect of Rose recruiting him. Also he has been using the Jeter comments which Sam Smith keeps touting If that is to be believed then why Gasol and not Anthony. It is bullshit because recruiting Gasol undermines the great Taj Gibson and also Boozer who was still a member of the team.



It's not like he didn't know LeBron before that. I'm sure he knew he was a douchebag.

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The Lebron stuff was done after he signed with Miami so it shouldn't effect the prospect of Rose recruiting him. Also he has been using the Jeter comments which Sam Smith keeps touting If that is to be believed then why Gasol and not Anthony. It is bullshit because recruiting Gasol undermines the great Taj Gibson and also Boozer who was still a member of the team.


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The Lebron stuff was done after he signed with Miami so it shouldn't effect the prospect of Rose recruiting him. Also he has been using the Jeter comments which Sam Smith keeps touting If that is to be believed then why Gasol and not Anthony. It is bullshit because recruiting Gasol undermines the great Taj Gibson and also Boozer who was still a member of the team.


Being the best player is the most important thing to Delicate Rose.



Maybe that's true. It's just speculation though. I don't think LeBron wanted to play with Rose either. Why aren't you scalding LeBron for not wanting to share the spotlight with a real peer. Sure he didn't mind playing second fiddle to an "elder statesman" like Wade for a quick minute. But he sure didn't want to compete with Rose, a guy who was actually capable of winning MVPs at the time.

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We thought Boozer was the best player when LeBron went to Miami. Rose MVP season was a shock to everyone and we haven't seen him play at that level in 3 years. LeBron teamed up with a who had recruited him for over a year. Even though Noah was recruiting LeBron and Bosh he wasn't good enough yet. There are some who say that the Bulls were #2 on his list. Maybe a call from Rose changes that and we're counting the championships we've won over the past 4 years.

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The Lebron stuff was done after he signed with Miami so it shouldn't effect the prospect of Rose recruiting him. Also he has been using the Jeter comments which Sam Smith keeps touting If that is to be believed then why Gasol and not Anthony. It is bullshit because recruiting Gasol undermines the great Taj Gibson and also Boozer who was still a member of the team.



It's not like he didn't know LeBron before that. I'm sure he knew he was a douchebag.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:20 am 
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We thought Boozer was the best player when LeBron went to Miami. Rose MVP season was a shock to everyone and we haven't seen him play at that level in 3 years. LeBron teamed up with a who had recruited him for over a year. Even though Noah was recruiting LeBron and Bosh he wasn't good enough yet. There are some who say that the Bulls were #2 on his list. Maybe a call from Rose changes that and we're counting the championships we've won over the past 4 years.



But you don't really believe that, do you? Those guys wanted to go party in South Beach. You can let Billy Dec give these guys all the free drinks at Sunda, Rockit and Underground you want, they still know it's -10 in Chicago in January.

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