This whole notion of not wanting to play with guys because their assholes is childish. I personally don't think James and Anthony are assholes. There was no bigger asshole than Rodman Jordan and Pippen played with him anyway. There was far more reason for them to dislike Rodman they played with him anyway. If Rose doesn't recruit players then why is he recruiting Gasol? I like the move but if he doesn't recruit players then why Gasol?

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I think LeBron wanted to win a championships. Bosh definitely wanted to party. I could be wrong but I believe that LeBron would have been a Bull if Rose had played at an MVP level before he became a free agent. Rose was more of an unknown if we were thinking Boozer would be the best player.

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Really? Do you work with any assholes? How do you like it? Plus it sounds like the Bulls want Rose to play GM, but only to a certain degree. Recruit who we tell you to recruit but don't have any opinions on how that guy will affect our team. Or do you think Rose doesn't want to win? I find it hilarious that so many people who thought LeBron would always be a lesser player for the machinations in Miami suddenly want Rose to organize the same type of thing.



Right, but you don't have to play with them. Imagine if you knew a guy who worked in the same field as you do and you knew (whether you were right or wrong) that he was a lousy guy to work with and your boss asked you to recruit him to a job equal to or one step above yours. Would you be rushing to go to that dinner? Or would you be whining to your friends about how goddamn dumb your fucking asshole boss was?

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Rose was also quoted as saying why can't he be the best player when asked at the time. In retrospect it was prophetic because he won the MVP. Lebron James is a basketball opportunist at worst. For all the talk about going home a large part of his decision this time was based on the fact that Cleveland has more talent than Miami. I am sure that played a role also. He won't say it publicly because it's bad PR and it would be a shot at Wade.

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Of course it was and I can't blame him. In less than a month he'll get Love and still have a great supporting cast around him.

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Are you lauding him or criticizing him? Won't you always use those facts to say he isn't as great as Jordan no matter how many titles he wins?

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If it could make for a better organization I would. Reggie Rose opened the door when he stated that the Bulls had to get better players. They made the attempt with Anthony though it was lackluster in my opinion. Other players on the league recruited him including the heart and soul of the Bulls. I don't think Rose recruiting or non recruiting made a deal. Anthony made a business decision that was in his best interest financially. It appears that this sort of thing is beneath him and more importantly for me is that it speaks to a selfishness that he may possess. There have been a number of guys that have sacrificed winning for their own personal gain. When it is financial it's understandable but when it's done because you have to be the "man" then it's a problem.

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I think it was a great basketball and PR move. He realizes than he will probably never be as good as MJ too. Of course he could win 5 rings in a row and then we'll have to revisit that. It's definitely possible in Cleveland if Kyrie and Tristan continue to improve.

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I'll grant you that. Perhaps a bit of a WYC from the Rose camp.

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They complained when the Bulls dumped Deng too. How can you get better players when Deng and Boozer are on your roster? Trade Noah?

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Tristan Thompson is not that good. Lost in the Love talk is what becomes of him. Thompson is too small to play the five. My guess is that he goes on the block once they acquire Love

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I agree with that. And that's what Anthony was always going to do. That being the case, what was the upside for Rose in recruiting him? To prostrate himself before a guy who was almost certainly going to be an opponent?

And is it really great leadership to recruit outside guys when such recruiting says to Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler, "Guess what assholes, you guys aren't good enough?"

I get Tall Midget's position that this is now how it's done. But I find the the idea of a "superstar" recruiting distasteful. And it is the heighth or arrogance in some ways, much like Jordan referring to his "supporting cast".

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He's young and talented.

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So previously your position was that Rose doesn't recruit because it's not his job.

Now that I've disproven this claim, you're stating that Rose won't play with two of the NBA's best players because they're assholes.

You would have been better off sticking with your earlier point, even though it was obviously inaccurate. Your current argument is just silly.

If LeBron is so difficult to deal with, how is it that his teams have been so successful?

The answer is that he hasn't historically posed a "personality" problem for his teammates at all--nor has he ever been an obstacle to winning in the NBA. In fact, his presence pretty much guarantees that the team he's playing on will win big.

If Rose's personality is too delicate to deal with LeBron, Rose is the problem, not the other way around.

But again, I don't think the above is true at all. My guess is that you don't really believe what you're saying either. Who would?

Rose's problem is that he can't tolerate the thought of being the #2 player on his hometown team. Winning may be important to him, but it's not as important as his status as an "iconic" NBA player.

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Yeah, but the problem with your analysis is that Rose DOES recruit. His sales pitch to Gasol indicates that he doesn't care about his teammates feelings; rather, it's his own status he's protecting.

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The recruitment of Gasol debunks the myth that he doesn't recruit and it also sends the message to Taj that he is not good enough. Not that I have a problem with that. Taj is overrated and not a starter on a championship caliber team. He is a poor man's Haslem and apparently Bulls management and Rose agree

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You're usually above straw man arguments. I've never said why Rose doesn't recruit. In fact, in some cases he does. What I've said is it's ridiuclous to be so angry with him over something that isn't his responsibility.



As you can see above, you haven't disproven anything. I don't know if they're assholes or not. I have my opinions and I'm sure Rose has his, which in this case are better than mine- or yours. It's just speculation on my part. We're all doing a lot of speculating in this thread.



Have his teams really been so successful? Here's a guy that every expert will tell you is so far beyond every other man who has ever played the game from a talent perspective, who combined to play with two other All-Stars- one of whom is a no doubt Hall of Famer who won championships without LeBron- and yet they only won championships half the time and struggled mightily to do that. A good argument could be made that they were far less successful than they might have been.

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Gasol isn't taking the spot of Taj or anyone Rose has played with regularly. In effect, he is replacing some elevnth or twelfth guy who Rose doesn't even know. I guess you could say he is taking the place of Boozer, but Rose's "recruitment" wasn't going to have any effect on whether the Bulls amnestied him.

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Very bad basketball thoughts.

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Guys Delicate Rose recruited

Kirk Hinrich
Old Pau Gasol

Guys Rose refused to recruit

LeBron James
Chris Bosh
Marshmelo Anthony

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Hey, it was all bullshit, Jerry said so. His mom once said 'consider the source" so that must mean cowley is just making up stuff.

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Guys Rose recruited

People who did not have any effect on the core that he has played with.

Guys Rose refused to recruit

Guys who were going to turn the roster upside down with their max contracts.

Your better argument is what longtime guy pointed out. That Rose has his brother out there complaining that the Bulls aren't getting him any help. And then when they try, he doesn't seem to want it.

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None of those players would have turned the roster upside down. Even you know that. Bulls created enough cap space to sign Bosh and LeBron. The Bulls could have dumped Dunleavy to sign Marshmelo. Rose will recruit guys who are not a threat to whatever status he believes he has.

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Taj is not going to play before Gasol Gasol still has a game. I don't believe the Bulls see Taj as a starter. I don't see the fascination that Bulls have with a 29 yr old backup. He only has one yr. Of averaging double figures. A lot of their 4th quarter scoring troubles were with him on the floor. He will get exposed once he has to match up with starting NBA fours. Those energy buckets will not be as attractive

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Except he not only matched up against them and scored but he also got the rebounds. I believe last year he was near the top of the league in points scored in the 4th quarter. Who do you believe is on the court in the 4th quarter? Usually the starters or their best players. The problem that the Bulls had was the fact that the only player that they had who could create his own shot was a 6' player they picked up off the streets. Taj would be a starter on most teams in the league.

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