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I'm thinking after they lose to the Bills.

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Mel Tucker will be the first scapegoat.

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Mel Tucker will be the first scapegoat.



Scapegoat implies that he is just there to take the fall but yet has done a good job.

I think this will be Tuckers 8 th year in the league and he has never had a defense ranked about 15th?

Yes, Trestman takes some blame for this if it goes bad, but the question is does he make the change quick, like Mid season and is the next DC on the staff already and he was hired for that reason.

Those LB's are a problem as well. Fat ass Briggs is out best LB and he is slow to every play, Bostic hasnt figured it out and 9950...I have no idea what the fuck that guy is doing, he is slow, bad, in the wrong place, etc....I mean he is just fucking terrible.....he doesnt even get pushed back anymore because he isnt even in the plays!!!!!!!!

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No I would like to see Tucker gone. I didn't like the hire to begin with and didn't know what warranted it. That said, they have severe personnel deficiencies and age issues all over the field on defense.

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No I would like to see Tucker gone. I didn't like the hire to begin with and didn't know what warranted it. That said, they have severe personnel deficiencies and age issues all over the field on defense.


If the Bears had ownership that actually knew how to build and run a football team, they wouldn't be so far behind other teams. Spending years drafting defensive players only and neglecting the offense is a big reason the Bears have been a flash in the pan since '85.

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Mel Tucker will be the first scapegoat.



Scapegoat implies that he is just there to take the fall but yet has done a good job.

I think this will be Tuckers 8 th year in the league and he has never had a defense ranked about 15th?

Yes, Trestman takes some blame for this if it goes bad, but the question is does he make the change quick, like Mid season and is the next DC on the staff already and he was hired for that reason.

Those LB's are a problem as well. Fat ass Briggs is out best LB and he is slow to every play, Bostic hasnt figured it out and 9950...I have no idea what the fuck that guy is doing, he is slow, bad, in the wrong place, etc....I mean he is just fucking terrible.....he doesnt even get pushed back anymore because he isnt even in the plays!!!!!!!!


Cut McClellan today. He is a wasted roster spot. Go get a 500 lb DT or something.

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The DL actually looked pretty good last night, they got through the Seattle OL all night, they just cant catch Wilson...and I dont think many in the NFL can. That will translate into sacks against almost all of the NFL.

The fact the secondary and LB's cant cover anymore is the issue. Getting Fuller back will help, but the guy is still a rookie and might be the best cover guy on the team. Seattle is running quick short routes to smaller quicker players, that is Tillmans weakness, but once again, not as much of an issue in the NFC North. I see them playing much better than they looked last night, need to get in front of the short passing, making QB's float the ball over the zone instead of quick stuff underneath.

The LB's....ugh....this is a massive mess! No scheme, no depth, no talent....Might say the worst LB in the NFL right now. Thus allowing the underneath stuff to anyone who wants it.

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Trestman isn't going anywhere. He's the coach version of phil emery.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Mel Tucker will be the first scapegoat.



Scapegoat implies that he is just there to take the fall but yet has done a good job.

I think this will be Tuckers 8 th year in the league and he has never had a defense ranked about 15th?

Yes, Trestman takes some blame for this if it goes bad, but the question is does he make the change quick, like Mid season and is the next DC on the staff already and he was hired for that reason.

Those LB's are a problem as well. Fat ass Briggs is out best LB and he is slow to every play, Bostic hasnt figured it out and 9950...I have no idea what the fuck that guy is doing, he is slow, bad, in the wrong place, etc....I mean he is just fucking terrible.....he doesnt even get pushed back anymore because he isnt even in the plays!!!!!!!!




I'll add to this question by asking: is Marc competent enough to pick a D-coordinator that will be able to succeed?

If that answer is no -and I think we all know that it is- then the guy has no buisness running a football team as its head coach. Bottom line here is, we hired an offensive coordinator to be a head coach.

There is very loose structure to this team as a whole right now (imo), and that starts with coaching -head coaching to be exact. A real head coach should be able to walk over to each phase of the game practicing -offense, defense, special teams- and have a good grasp of what should be going on in each one of those phases. The Bears 2 other phases not of Marcs background are failing miserably in the technical functional aspects of the game: blocking, tackling, being in the right place -and scheming or vanilla game planning is not an excuse for that shit.

Bottom line, Trestman is not a very good hire for Head Coach of an NFL football team. Its hilarious how obvious it has been since the Bears shit the bed a handful of times in some of last years games.

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Trestman has also proven to be a pretty poor gameday coach. He is likely to be exposed as not being an "offensive genius" if we lose either Marshall or Jeffrey since that is the true secret to the reason our offense was pretty good last year.

It's obvious the defense is something he knows nothing about and there will be no answers coming from him on that. His only shot is to find a coordinator who can basically be a co-Head Coach.

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Trestman has also proven to be a pretty poor gameday coach. He is likely to be exposed as not being an "offensive genius" if we lose either Marshall or Jeffrey since that is the true secret to the reason our offense was pretty good last year.

It's obvious the defense is something he knows nothing about and there will be no answers coming from him on that. His only shot is to find a coordinator who can basically be a co-Head Coach.





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If they don't make the playoffs, and the offense takes a step back, you're start hearing that Year 3 is make/break for Trestman and Emery.


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If they don't make the playoffs, and the offense takes a step back, you're start hearing that Year 3 is make/break for Trestman and Emery.
It should be no matter what. They've both given plenty of reasons to doubt them already.

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Tucker gives Trestman a built-in mulligan for this season, but considering that he took over a 10-6 squad, missing the playoffs two years in a row would be a really bad sign.

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If they don't make the playoffs, and the offense takes a step back, you're start hearing that Year 3 is make/break for Trestman and Emery.
It should be no matter what. They've both given plenty of reasons to doubt them already.





Agreed. But the Bears will still give them that 3rd year at least, we all know its true. Hell, might even take longer than that.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Trestman has also proven to be a pretty poor gameday coach. He is likely to be exposed as not being an "offensive genius" if we lose either Marshall or Jeffrey since that is the true secret to the reason our offense was pretty good last year.

It's obvious the defense is something he knows nothing about and there will be no answers coming from him on that. His only shot is to find a coordinator who can basically be a co-Head Coach.


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Lovie has also proven to be a pretty poor gameday coach. He is likely to be exposed as not being a "defensive genius" if we lose either Urlacher or Tillman since that is the true secret to the reason our defense was pretty good last year.

It's obvious the offense is something he knows nothing about and there will be no answers coming from him on that. His only shot is to find a coordinator who can basically be a co-Head Coach.


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Agree with NME. Coach must competenly oversee all phases of the team. That's why Lovie was fired.

Disagree with BR. Jeffrey and Marshall were put into position to succeed by Trestman. His influence on the offense is easy to see, but it won't save his job if he continues to let the defense and special teams slide into oblivion.

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The Bears haven't lost a game and we want to fire the best offensive coach we have had since Ditka? I think you guys have gone crazy.

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The Bears haven't lost a game and we want to fire the best offensive coach we have had since Ditka? I think you guys have gone crazy.


A complete collapse on defense and special teams is not encouraging. Those were formidable units for a long time until they started sucking in Trestman's first year. Not good. His progress on offense buys him some time. But until the units catch up to the offense or at least produce slightly better than league average, then you've got to start asking the same questions we did of Lovie.

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The Bears haven't lost a game and we want to fire the best offensive coach we have had since Ditka? I think you guys have gone crazy.


The Bears just got outscored 20-something to zero in a half and your avatar says Jay Cutler will lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. Just sayin'.

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The Bears haven't lost a game and we want to fire the best offensive coach we have had since Ditka? I think you guys have gone crazy.


The Bears just got outscored 20-something to zero in a half and your avatar says Jay Cutler will lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. Just sayin'.


Watching the game I don't know how you don't come away impressed by the offense. They weren't at full strength and still moved the ball at will against the best defense in football and kept Cutler from getting killed. They should have had 14 points but drops and penalties hurt them.

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They should have had 14 points but drops and penalties hurt them.


Got a funny feeling this won't be the last time we'll see this particular sentence construction.

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They won't face a defense that good all year. If they can move the ball like that against them then the rest of the NFL will be a piece of cake.

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The Bears haven't lost a game and we want to fire the best offensive coach we have had since Ditka? I think you guys have gone crazy.


The Bears just got outscored 20-something to zero in a half and your avatar says Jay Cutler will lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. Just sayin'.


Watching the game I don't know how you don't come away impressed by the offense. They weren't at full strength and still moved the ball at will against the best defense in football and kept Cutler from getting killed. They should have had 14 points but drops and penalties hurt them.


This thinking will define Cutler's career. "Jay Cutler: a few dropped passes and penalties from being great."

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The Bears haven't lost a game and we want to fire the best offensive coach we have had since Ditka? I think you guys have gone crazy.


The Bears just got outscored 20-something to zero in a half and your avatar says Jay Cutler will lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. Just sayin'.


Watching the game I don't know how you don't come away impressed by the offense. They weren't at full strength and still moved the ball at will against the best defense in football and kept Cutler from getting killed. They should have had 14 points but drops and penalties hurt them.


This thinking will define Cutler's career. "Jay Cutler: a few dropped passes and penalties from being great."


You didn't like the way they moved the ball and kept the blitzes from getting to Cutler?

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I did think both of those things most of the time. It didn't result in any points. That pretty much sums up Cutler's career.

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I did think both of those things most of the time. It didn't result in any points. That pretty much sums up Cutler's career.


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I believe that you all are wrong and are just being negative. The Bears offense hasn't had a problem moving the ball all preseason or scoring. The fact that they made it look so easy against the best defense in the league should be seen as a positive. Especially considering that they were shorthanded and playing in a tough environment. IMO 9 out of 10 times the Bears score at least 14 points.

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Disagree with BR. Jeffrey and Marshall were put into position to succeed by Trestman. His influence on the offense is easy to see, but it won't save his job if he continues to let the defense and special teams slide into oblivion.
Marshall has been this productive everywhere he has been. I'll grant you that Jeffrey became a star under Trestman but in watching him play I think he would be great in any non-Jaguars offense.

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