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This team has a bunch of built in excuses for their failures. I think the defense will be bad again and they will be lucky to go 8-8. It was dumber than shit to run it the way they did last year. Emery is not impressing me and have no reason to think he will in the future.


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Seacrest is correct. The injuries, and age, was a perfect storm to made that defense putrid.

I will say this. Lovie's team definitely would have picked up Aaron Rodger's passfumble in the final game.


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Seacrest is correct. The injuries, and age, was a perfect storm to made that defense putrid.

I will say this. Lovie's team definitely would have picked up Aaron Rodger's passfumble in the final game.
Lovie probably doesn't blow the Minnesota game though with terrible game management either.

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I agree with everyone else, Bears are fucked.

Aren't they the oldest team in the NFL? Yikes.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Seacrest is correct. The injuries, and age, was a perfect storm to made that defense putrid.

I will say this. Lovie's team definitely would have picked up Aaron Rodger's passfumble in the final game.


They collapsed because the coach sucked. The word decline is being used a lot here but they actually improved in 2012 to 17.3 points given up vs 21.3 given up in 2011. Then in 2013 they gave up 30 points per game. Not a coincidence.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Seacrest is correct. The injuries, and age, was a perfect storm to made that defense putrid.

I will say this. Lovie's team definitely would have picked up Aaron Rodger's passfumble in the final game.
Lovie probably doesn't blow the Minnesota game though with terrible game management either.


He should have moved closer.

But, Robbie Gould choked. Period.

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 Post subject: Re: Not Emery's Fault
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Seacrest is correct. The injuries, and age, was a perfect storm to made that defense putrid.

I will say this. Lovie's team definitely would have picked up Aaron Rodger's passfumble in the final game.


They collapsed because the coach sucked. The word decline is being used a lot here but they actually improved in 2012 to 17.3 points given up vs 21.3 given up in 2011. Then in 2013 they gave up 30 points per game. Not a coincidence.


They were using 3rd and 4th string DT's with a rookie MLB.

Tillman was hurt. Your starting nickel back never played a down.

Briggs was injured for half the year.

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He should have moved closer.

But, Robbie Gould choked. Period.
Every miss is a choke.

There are ways to increase the percentages.

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Lovie probably doesn't blow the Minnesota game though with terrible game management either.
That is probably true, but he would have cost them by wasting times out in the Cincy or Minnesota (at Soldier) games so it all evened out.


Vegan the collapsed because of injuries. The coach was a part of the decline no doubt, but they lost lots of starters to injuries. You have 3rd & 4th stringers, along with practice squad guys out on the field and you are going to see what you saw last year.

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We're getting very close to people saying that it's already not Emery/Trestman's fault if the Bears miss the playoffs this season.

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Dave In Champaign wrote:
We're getting very close to people saying that it's already not Emery/Trestman's fault if the Bears miss the playoffs this season.


That was the genesis of my post. I have heard multiple times this week that this is not Emery's roster so that it is not his fault.

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Barring a ton of injuries like last year, its absolutely on Emery if the Bears don't make the playoffs this year. Trestman, maybe. Depends on how the season plays out.

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Every miss is a choke.


Not if the snap or placement is off.

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They look good on the corners and line of the defense.


I'm not sure about that. It's not clear what Allen and Ratliff have left in the tank; Paea is below average; and the backup ends are nothing to get excited about. Hopefully the rookie tackles will make an immediate impact.

In the secondary, Peanut has looked slow and brittle so far, but he may be playing possum.

Needless to say, the linebackers and safeties are uniformly awful.

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The Bears are winning at least 12 games this year so lets all just pump the brakes here.

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They look good on the corners and line of the defense.


I'm not sure about that. It's not clear what Allen and Ratliff have left in the tank; Paea is below average; and the backup ends are nothing to get excited about. Hopefully the rookie tackles will make an immediate impact.

In the secondary, Peanut has looked slow and brittle so far, but he may be playing possum.

Needless to say, the linebackers and safeties are uniformly awful.


I would say DE is a strength. We know Allen can rush the passer, but that is 60% of the offensive plays these days...maybe more with the Pack and Lions. Young is a proven commodity as a backup. I liked Bass last season.

DT is a little less known with the rookies.

Peanut might be slow but they have three starting level CB with Hayden an able backup. I really hope they can keep Al Louis-Jean. I like his size and he was noticeable on the field each week.

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They look good on the corners and line of the defense.


I'm not sure about that. It's not clear what Allen and Ratliff have left in the tank; Paea is below average; and the backup ends are nothing to get excited about. Hopefully the rookie tackles will make an immediate impact.

In the secondary, Peanut has looked slow and brittle so far, but he may be playing possum.

Needless to say, the linebackers and safeties are uniformly awful.


I would say DE is a strength. We know Allen can rush the passer, but that is 60% of the offensive plays these days...maybe more with the Pack and Lions. Young is a proven commodity as a backup. I liked Bass last season.

DT is a little less known with the rookies.

Peanut might be slow but they have three starting level CB with Hayden an able backup. I really hope they can keep Al Louis-Jean. I like his size and he was noticeable on the field each week.


Defensive end is definitely a strength if Allen is still good. I don't think we know that to be the case, though. Hayden is another brittle old guy. I have my doubts he'll be healthy for more than a handful of games. Young has a total of six career sacks.

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I think the Seattle game exposed a little bit of an error in Emery's construction of the d-line. Young and Houston were getting to the outside and created some pressure. But the interior was getting no push so Wilson would either step up or side step into vacated space. To be fair, knowing Ratliff's history I'll give that lazy shithead a pass. No doubt he likely has been half-assing the preseason.


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In the secondary, Peanut has looked slow and brittle so far, but he may be playing possum.


I think he is.

But, I think he can't ball punch anymore. There were a couple times last year he injured himself doing it and there was another instance in the preseason where he did it and came out holding his wrist. He's going to injure himself again doing that.

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They look good on the corners and line of the defense.


I'm not sure about that. It's not clear what Allen and Ratliff have left in the tank; Paea is below average; and the backup ends are nothing to get excited about. Hopefully the rookie tackles will make an immediate impact.

In the secondary, Peanut has looked slow and brittle so far, but he may be playing possum.

Needless to say, the linebackers and safeties are uniformly awful.


I would say DE is a strength. We know Allen can rush the passer, but that is 60% of the offensive plays these days...maybe more with the Pack and Lions. Young is a proven commodity as a backup. I liked Bass last season.

DT is a little less known with the rookies.

Peanut might be slow but they have three starting level CB with Hayden an able backup. I really hope they can keep Al Louis-Jean. I like his size and he was noticeable on the field each week.


Defensive end is definitely a strength if Allen is still good. I don't think we know that to be the case, though. Hayden is another brittle old guy. I have my doubts he'll be healthy for more than a handful of games. Young has a total of six career sacks.


best four DL pass rushers are probably Allen, Houston, Ratliff and Sutton

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I have heard multiple times this week that this is not Emery's roster so that it is not his fault.


I'm curious who's fault it would be.

As I have said from the beginning, Emery is a more polished Angelo. Unfortunately, his drafting is moving into Angelo territory.

He is quickly moving down the path of the last GM. You draft badly and then have to sign FA's to cover your bad drafting. And before you know it, you have an old defense with no viable backups in the pipeline.


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Emery made a great trade to land us a stud WR and he drafted another one. He's filled more holes on offense in 2 years than the Bears filled since 1995. He has now made some good moves to address a defense that hasn't had a good drafted player since about 2006.

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Nas....you can only sign FA's for so long. Eventually, you have to start building your team through solid drafting.

And I wouldn't get to excited about this defense just yet.


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Nas....you can only sign FA's for so long. Eventually, you have to start building your team through solid drafting.

And I wouldn't get to excited about this defense just yet.


True. By all accounts he had a great draft this year. He had a big mess to clean up.

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Emery made a great trade to land us a stud WR and he drafted another one. He's filled more holes on offense in 2 years than the Bears filled since 1995. He has now made some good moves to address a defense that hasn't had a good drafted player since about 2006.


Yes but he also oversaw the worst defense in years. 30 points per game. Wipes out achievements on offense.

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Emery made a great trade to land us a stud WR and he drafted another one. He's filled more holes on offense in 2 years than the Bears filled since 1995. He has now made some good moves to address a defense that hasn't had a good drafted player since about 2006.


Yes but he also oversaw the worst defense in years. 30 points per game. Wipes out achievements on offense.


He was given an aging unit that many of use predicted would suck for the past 3 years. Injuries and Tucker made it even worse. He can't be expected to be a miracle worker. A terrible offense is now great. In a year or 2 I expect the defense to also bounce back.

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Emery made a great trade to land us a stud WR and he drafted another one. He's filled more holes on offense in 2 years than the Bears filled since 1995. He has now made some good moves to address a defense that hasn't had a good drafted player since about 2006.


Yes but he also oversaw the worst defense in years. 30 points per game. Wipes out achievements on offense.


He was given an aging unit that many of use predicted would suck for the past 3 years. Injuries and Tucker made it even worse. He can't be expected to be a miracle worker. A terrible offense is now great. In a year or 2 I expect the defense to also bounce back.
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Emery made a great trade to land us a stud WR and he drafted another one. He's filled more holes on offense in 2 years than the Bears filled since 1995. He has now made some good moves to address a defense that hasn't had a good drafted player since about 2006.


Yes but he also oversaw the worst defense in years. 30 points per game. Wipes out achievements on offense.


He was given an aging unit that many of use predicted would suck for the past 3 years. Injuries and Tucker made it even worse. He can't be expected to be a miracle worker. A terrible offense is now great. In a year or 2 I expect the defense to also bounce back.


The defense gave up 17.3 points per game in Emery year 1, and 30 in year 2.

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Emery made a great trade to land us a stud WR and he drafted another one. He's filled more holes on offense in 2 years than the Bears filled since 1995. He has now made some good moves to address a defense that hasn't had a good drafted player since about 2006.


Yes but he also oversaw the worst defense in years. 30 points per game. Wipes out achievements on offense.


He was given an aging unit that many of use predicted would suck for the past 3 years. Injuries and Tucker made it even worse. He can't be expected to be a miracle worker. A terrible offense is now great. In a year or 2 I expect the defense to also bounce back.
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Emery made a great trade to land us a stud WR and he drafted another one. He's filled more holes on offense in 2 years than the Bears filled since 1995. He has now made some good moves to address a defense that hasn't had a good drafted player since about 2006.


Yes but he also oversaw the worst defense in years. 30 points per game. Wipes out achievements on offense.


He was given an aging unit that many of use predicted would suck for the past 3 years. Injuries and Tucker made it even worse. He can't be expected to be a miracle worker. A terrible offense is now great. In a year or 2 I expect the defense to also bounce back.


The defense gave up 17.3 points per game in Emery year 1, and 30 in year 2.


Good defensive coaching and health covered up the flaws of an aging defense.

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Emery is going to need a couple years to dig out of the hole that Angelo put them in with several years of terrible drafting.
The team is old and hurty and you can't just rebuild a when team in a couple years. That being said his rookie draft was fucking awful.
I'd like to see him have the balls to cut bait on Shea. That would make me feel better.

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