You didn't last year

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Yes, I did.

I never said a bad word about that stat. I know Rizzo's wasnt great. He wasnt great last year.

Its probably his fault anyway.

Actually, the number for Jeff Samardzija run support since joining Oakland is very high. The bad news for him is that those runs largely came in only two of his starts. (22 runs of support during the innings he pitched in those two games)

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Are you kidding? What you and IMU are suggesting is that the runs scored in a span of twenty-five games is somehow more important (as it serves your argument) than the actual average runs per game scored by Samardzija's team.

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I think some of you need to take a Statistics 101 class.

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I think the only thing i can conclude from looking at Jeff Samardzija's stats is that he's nothing special. Inconsistent and or average. Definitely not an ace or a stopper or whatever term you want to use and the Cubs did well not to offer him a ridiculous contract like some other idiot GM assuredly will.

No, Im not kidding. You're making ridiculous assumptions based off your own ridiculous leaps.

The runs scored before Jeff Samardzija was on the team did not affect Jeff Samardzija (Why did I have to type that?)


The team changed. You just laid that out in the Cespedes argument. But it doesnt matter. We have exact numbers.

Either way, we can look at the games Samardzija pitched and what they scored. We have the numbers. That's all that really matters here

He's been average.


To say he's losing the division for them is absolutely ridiculous with all the offensive struggles they've had.

He was on the team with Cespedes for some of that time. Regardless, I think we can agree that 25 games is a pretty short sample. And anyway, you're getting closer to acknowledging that today's game has little bearing on the overall offensive production of a team throughout the season.

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Why is it so easy for you to credit Jeff Samardzija for his mediocre performace but so difficult for you to acknowledge the superior pitching of guys who face his teams, instead blaming "offensive struggles". If that's the way we're going to look at it, maybe Samardzija is the worst pitcher ever and he just has a low WHIP because of the offensive struggles of certain batters on the days they happen to face him.

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I havent credited him. Ive said, repeatedly, that he's been average.

The offense has been horrid and is a far bigger reason for their struggles. (he only plays every 5th day)


Do you think Brandon Moss has just happened to face great pitchers in the second half or is it more likely the problem is with him?

I don't know, but as I've said time and time again, today's game is today's game and largely unrelated to other games.

You have stated that a fraction of a run per game is a lot. So I would ask, when is the average offense a team has produced pertinent and when is it not?

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Always pertinent but not always the same perameters.

Sometimes looking at a monthly chart can tell you more than a yearly. Each situation is different.


Oh and the problem is with Moss not that he's facing superior pitching all of a sudden. You know that

when it suits the argument. we all know that.

Total Bullshit. I dont spin and Im not attempting to back anything up here.

The guy who started this thread likes Wins until Samardizija gets one. Then he starts talking about how great the A's are and how Samardzija was fortunate.


And I have no agenda here if that's what you're suggesting. If anything I should want Samardzija to be bad after he shunned my team.


You guys are the ones attempting to spin by using the average thats skewed by 22 runs in two games.


Im really getting a kick out of the arrogance on your side of the argument though. Like its ridiculous to even discuss such things. Pitching wins tell the whole story and that's that.

which one are you, the pot or the kettle?

I dont think anyone on this board has any other take than that.

No, see you say that but thats not true at all.

Im here discussing a very out there theory and Ive not been dismissive of it. I disagree with it and have made my arguments. The only time Ive criticized anyone is when they've misrepresented my take.


Show me where Ive been arrogant.

i honestly don't see arrogance from anyone. I'm reading everything as sarcasm. maybe i'm wrong on that then.

The funny/sad thing about this is that we all pretty much agree on every player. Just not the way we got to the conclusion.

residual ND love

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Another bad outing for this bum.

7ip
4 earned runs
another Loss.

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This As nose dive is really something

I wonder if his/ the A's performance has hurt his free agency pay day or if some dumbass GM will still give him the 100 million plus he wants

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I think he's pretty equal to Homer Bailey

Yeah but I'm pretty sure most GMs know that Baileys was a bad contract. I'm willing to bet he doesn't get much more than the 4/17 the Cubs offered that he turned down.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I don't know. It seems there is always one willing GM. Well see


He's still signed thru next year so who knows what happens between now and then

Beane abandoned his principles and ruined his team.

You may not agree that Samardzija is losing the division for them, but he's sure doing his part. He's also doing his part to fuck the Lil Stoners!

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Chris Bosio is the guy who won the Samardzija trade

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He's been average. They're offense has been horrible