I'm saying if crystal meth were legal and distributed by Starbucks or Diageo, you'd have a completely different viewpoint regarding its usage.

And the fact that you can legally slurp down a drug for breakfast each morning informs your view of that particular drug rather than any effects that might be characterized as "bad" or "good".

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No, I wouldn't. It wouldn't change the knowledge of it. Tobacco is legal. I still have a very negative view of it.
I still know the side effects and the level it reaches on the "drugs are bad" scale. It's low. It's lower than most other drugs.

The leap from "crystal meth is bad" to "So are caffeine and corn liquor" is huge.

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I'm fairly certain corn liquor has destroyed more lives than meth ever will.

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What about the caffeine part?

I don't think you should drink corn liquor so I don't understand why it was even brought up.

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I would say that anything that puts someone in a state where they can't function normally until they get it could be characterized as "bad".

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Got it.

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I had no idea what molly was before this thread. I am teh lame.

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Molly should be legal, people who want pure mdma should be able to get it pure and lab tested..not cut with heroin or meth or fentonyl or other shit..

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I had no clue until now what MOLLY was.

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I used to drink coffee until I realized I was just being used as a pawn by the man. now I smoke meth every morning and lead a much happier and productive life.

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I wonder how caffeine won out over cocaine?

Those fucking Hills Brothers paid off the east coast senators to add a line item to the Food and Drug Act of 1906, that's how.

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But you routinely reject information and facts when it comes to the hazards posed by various drugs. You'd rather believe that alcohol is safer than LSD.

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That's probably not that far from accurate


Here's a short WIKIpedia about it for anyone who has argued the caffeine debate



Popularization of cocaine is first evident with laborers who used it as a stimulant to increase productivity,[93] often supplied by employers.


Sounds a lot like coffee

Penelope Witherspoon: "You're a heroin dealer!"
Louis Winthorpe III: "It wasn't heroin, it was Angel Dust."

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Can I get a real example of this?

I searched my posting history for lsd and didn't find anything.

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Sure.

When RPB posted a link by a bunch of neurosurgeons from the Mayo Clinic who found alcohol was more dangerous than any other drug by a significant margin, you completely dismissed it by saying "We're not having this conversation."

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So where did I say anything about LSD?

As for that conversation, I just didn't feel like going over again my crazy stance that crystal meth and heroin were more dangerous than alcohol. We've done it plenty of times already. No one actually believes that crystal meth = heroin = alcohol. You even stated as such in that very discussion.

I've never doubted in certain circumstances that alcohol can be more dangerous than crystal meth or heroin. My point in that thread, and now, is that if I was to have used crystal meth every weekend for 10 years, or heroin every weekend for 10 years, that I'd be in much worse shape than if I had used alcohol every weekend for 10 years. In fact, I doubt I would just be a weekend user of either of those.

As for his article, it was about harm to others that alcohol rated highly, which drunk driving is a major contributor to.

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I was quoting Dan Bernstein.

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The Mayo Clinic gives you instructions as to how to maximize the health benefits of consuming alcohol.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-livin ... t-20044551

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It's funny. If your pappy, your grandpappy, and your grandpappy's pappy all drank a morning beverage that featured small amounts of meth amphetamine rather than small amounts of caffeine, that's what you'd be drinking and defending. "Are you really telling me that Folgers Crystal Methee is as dangerous as pot? "

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The original point in my saying this was the suspensions and fines levied by professional sports organizations against people for using drugs. I know it was amphetamine that was highlighted, but Wes Welker using Molly at the Kentucky Derby has no effect on anyone other than Wes Welker. I don't really care if Wes Welker chooses to drink gasoline as long as he helps his team win.

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Rick - don't you think your view of some of these drugs has to do with the age in which you were raised?

As RPB pointed out earlier, coke was put in soft drinks and handed out by employers many years ago. Heroin was an effective pain killer. Ketamine tranquilized horses. LSD was used as therapy. And alcohol was causing Ben Franklin to spread STD's throughout Philadelphia.

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Agreed. We need to progress as a society to the point where the only unforgivable sin is being bad at football.

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We have an actual example of this that proves you wrong: Tobacco.

Anyways, drugs are easy to find. Why don't you do a small amount of crystal meth every morning, and I'll do a small amount of caffeine every morning, and in ten years we can meet and see who is in better shape.

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Just meet me now.

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Of course, but that was ignorance. Once again, let me point out that when I was growing up, ecstasy was "safe" too according to those who were using it. We discovered otherwise.
What is your point? We used to use asbestos in schools and people smoked inside airplanes. If your point is that one day alcohol, tobacco, or caffeine may be viewed the same way then I'll agree there is a chance that happens. I don't really understand why it would matter that good science has improved our understanding of something and it is now discouraged or banned because it isn't worth it.

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I'm not sure what you're saying. Plenty of people still smoke tobacco. It's mainly been stigmatized because the noxious clouds of smoke it produces annoy others. Not because anyone really cares that it's "bad".

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