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Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.

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Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.

My comment at the time was that it is only taking Rodgers one pass play to get it to their 40 anyway, so might as well give it a shot. :)

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I agree.

Teams should be more aggressive. Go for it more often on 4th down and not be afraid to run a fake if it is there.

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I'd like to see a coach call for a QB sneak on 3rd and 22 when down 7 like that one time I did on accident when I played Madden drunk.


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 Post subject: Re: The onside kick
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Rodgers should be pissed about the onside kick.

Cost him 19 additional yards on his stat line.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.


Agree. Nothing of value was lost or, seemingly, risked by doing so other than, as spany said, Rodgers' stat line.

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I liked the call, and if the Bears were paying attention, they should have recovered it.

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I liked the call, and if the Bears were paying attention, they should have recovered it.

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Good call. Scared and surprised the shit out of me.

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The mistake was have a DE on that side. He fucking ran into the ball.

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So,is that a call by the HC or the ST coach suggests it strongly?

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I liked the call, and if the Bears were paying attention, they should have recovered it.

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With all of your hate, I am starting to believe that SomeGuy has commandeered your login.


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jimmypasta wrote:
So,is that a call by the HC or the ST coach suggests it strongly?


Head coach makes the final call on that. Could come from either but probably special team coach.

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So,is that a call by the HC or the ST coach suggests it strongly?


Head coach makes the final call on that. Could come from either but probably special team coach.

In his post game presser, Trestman sounded like it was his call.

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HC always has the final call.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.

How about Gould sucks at the onside kick. for whatever reaosn he cant make the ball pop in the ait. Must be busy doing nothing at practice

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bigfan wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.

How about Gould sucks at the onside kick. for whatever reaosn he cant make the ball pop in the ait. Must be busy doing nothing at practice

But the kick did go up in the air and it went right by the DE. If he is paying attention they get the ball.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.

How about Gould sucks at the onside kick. for whatever reaosn he cant make the ball pop in the ait. Must be busy doing nothing at practice

But the kick did go up in the air and it went right by the DE. If he is paying attention they get the ball.


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The ball is to go much higher than that, the first wave takes out the other teams up men and the trailers get the ball.

The ball is not suppossed to be kick to our own guys, as the odds of going 10 yards and catching the ball ont he run while the other team is coming after it is very low and the fact he didnt catch it shows you why doing an onside kick like that is a bad play.

Been saying it for years, this is not Gould s strength.

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I will even agree it was the best I have seen him do, but still not done well.

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RFDC wrote:
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badrogue17 wrote:
Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.

How about Gould sucks at the onside kick. for whatever reaosn he cant make the ball pop in the ait. Must be busy doing nothing at practice

But the kick did go up in the air and it went right by the DE. If he is paying attention they get the ball.


Yes.. it hit him on the leg for christ sake... AFTER 10 yards

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leashyourkids wrote:
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Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.

How about Gould sucks at the onside kick. for whatever reaosn he cant make the ball pop in the ait. Must be busy doing nothing at practice

But the kick did go up in the air and it went right by the DE. If he is paying attention they get the ball.


Yes.. it hit him on the leg for christ sake... AFTER 10 yards


correct and that is not a good onside kick, the "if he is paying attention"...is not what he should be doing, he should be blocking the first line of GB players and the trailer gets the ball.

It's the same play from HS to the NFL....even when the kicker tries to drag it in order to jump on it himself, there is a wave of his own guys in front of him taking out the other team.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Was a good call and didn't cost the Bears anything game-wise. They weren't going to stop Rodgers if he had 20 more yards to work with anyway. If they get it, they likely put another score on the board before the half and seeing as how Green Bay was getting the second half kickoff it was a decent chance to try and get another possession that Trestman obviously could see they were going to need because nothing was stopping the Packers.

I agree, and on top of that, they absolutely should have recovered that. I don't know what those Bears were doing looking to block people instead of trying to find the fucking ball that was right goddamn next to them.

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I didn't like the call at the time, but I DVR the games so I can watch them again, & I didn't realize how good that kick was...we absolutely should have recovered it if not for a lineman running into the ball. The weakest part of Robbie's game has always been his ability to onside kick, but that was textbook.

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I am ok with the attempt, if you cant stop them you may as well try and get it.

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Outside of selling out his buddyu Goould for not kicking it high enough, Mannely just stated exactly how the play should be run, which I already stated.

Bears have 6, packers have 3 up. Bears run 3 double team blocks, mccray comes around and gets the ball...THAT SHOULD JUST BE POPPED UP...and Not hit a Bear player...who was very unaware and yes, should have got the Ball, but if the ball is popped and set to land in a specific spot, Mccray gets there and catches it...but the ball was not popped up high enough and hit Washington.

Washington got his assignment and did it without being aware of anything else. Which I feel is the difference between a good football player...and a guy who is just big. My guy Novo #89 would have got the ball!



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Nope. Did not like it.

The Bears had just retaken the lead. If they were like 7 down at that point and/or they have had ANY recent success with the onside kick, the circumstance may be different, but they had the LEAD. So you basically say to the offense, which had been clicking pretty well "hey, thanks for keeping us in the game and giving us back the lead, but we're going to try to steal a possession even if we suck at these kinds of things, so the likely outcome is the worst-case scenario that we'll probably give it right back to Rodgers, and he'll score quickly, and then they get the ball to start the second half and probably get another touchdown, so you'll have to press to try and bring us back from two scores down, so really, fuck you".

The excuse of "well, the defense has sucked anyway, so there was nothing to lose" is weak. No matter how much they sucked, you still have to put them in the best position to succeed, which was to give GB the long field.

I would have been much more accepting if there was maybe a minute or 1:20 to go; at least there would have been a lot less time; as it was, Rodgers had an eternity to move 50 yards.

This and the dumbass challenge when it was unnecessary have pretty much cemented that Trestman is just not nor will be a good NFL head coach. Right now, I am predicting and Emery-on-down-to-Cutler housecleaning at the end of the 2015 season.

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They got the ball on the 39, it's not like they got it in Bears territory. 19 yards is one pass to Jordy Nelson, big flippin' deal. GB was also getting the ball to start the 2nd half, the Bears needed another possession


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They got the ball on the 39, it's not like they got it in Bears territory. 19 yards is one pass to Jordy Nelson, big flippin' deal. GB was also getting the ball to start the 2nd half, the Bears needed another possession


Again, falls under the "well, the defense can't stop them, so what difference does it make?" reasoning.

They went from a very remote chance of gaining back the ball to a very certain chance of losing the game. There was too much at risk at the time of that call, and they never recovered from it. Still, whatever - I do not see this team progressing with the current regime.

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