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The thesis of this thread is Jay Cutler is an MVP candidate because he's been a game manager. WTF?!?!?


Game managers don't account for 88% of their team total offense. A game manager isn't 2nd in the NFL in touchdowns and interceptions.

The Bears are 25th with 29.42 yards/drive while generating 2.06 points/drive (15th overall).

What I see is a QB benefitting from short fields. He been a good game manager. We all saw in the Bills game what happens when you depend on Cutler to win the game. Cutler has embraced the Miller/Grossman/Orton directive of "don't fuck up".


I wouldn't go that far. He's played well against some good defenses and limited (injured) offensive weapons. But really, he's been the same guy. Great quarters and awful quarters (inconsistency), great individual plays by his receivers, an opportunistic defense, and a lot of luck (his errors have not yet been capitalized on outside of game 1.)

What we have here is a classic case of a small sample size.


The sample size just got a bit bigger.

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With all the weapons and the brilliant offensive guru coach, Cutler is a pathetic 25th in the league in yards-per-attempt (6.49). He may not have been the primary reason the Bears lost yesterday, but the Bears are paying him to do much more.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Cutler is a bum. Why is that so difficult to accept?

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With all the weapons and the brilliant offensive guru coach, Cutler is a pathetic 25th in the league in yards-per-attempt (6.49). He may not have been the primary reason the Bears lost yesterday, but the Bears are paying him to do much more.


Im not sure if yardage numbers are helpful. We all know what matters is points, and yardage may or may not be determined by play design or the ability or inability of pass catchers to generate YAC, especially if they're injured like Marshall and Jeffrey.

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Im not sure if yardage numbers are helpful.


Yardage is the football equivalent of baserunners.

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With all the weapons and the brilliant offensive guru coach, Cutler is a pathetic 25th in the league in yards-per-attempt (6.49). He may not have been the primary reason the Bears lost yesterday, but the Bears are paying him to do much more.


Im not sure if yardage numbers are helpful. We all know what matters is points, and yardage may or may not be determined by play design or the ability or inability of pass catchers to generate YAC, especially if they're injured like Marshall and Jeffrey.


That implies that the Bears scored a sufficient amount of points. Considering they had 500 yards of offense, I don't think that is even close to being true. If you're saying Cutler sucks at gaining yards AND scoring points, I would agree. :lol:

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With all the weapons and the brilliant offensive guru coach, Cutler is a pathetic 25th in the league in yards-per-attempt (6.49). He may not have been the primary reason the Bears lost yesterday, but the Bears are paying him to do much more.


Im not sure if yardage numbers are helpful. We all know what matters is points, and yardage may or may not be determined by play design or the ability or inability of pass catchers to generate YAC, especially if they're injured like Marshall and Jeffrey.


That implies that the Bears scored a sufficient amount of points. Considering they had 500 yards of offense, I don't think that is even close to being true. If you're saying Cutler sucks at gaining yards AND scoring points, I would agree. :lol:


I don't know about points. They should have scored more yesterday for sure. But I don't get the complaining about low yardage in the SF game. They scored 4 TDs. I don't care if those came on 80 yard drives (which some did) or short field drives (which some did). It's irrelevant. That being said, you should expect your QB to lead an 80+ yard TD drive if you're paid the way Cutler is - and he can do that. However how many yards he accumulates in the process of scoring is irrelevant to me.

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With all the weapons and the brilliant offensive guru coach, Cutler is a pathetic 25th in the league in yards-per-attempt (6.49). He may not have been the primary reason the Bears lost yesterday, but the Bears are paying him to do much more.


Im not sure if yardage numbers are helpful. We all know what matters is points, and yardage may or may not be determined by play design or the ability or inability of pass catchers to generate YAC, especially if they're injured like Marshall and Jeffrey.


That implies that the Bears scored a sufficient amount of points. Considering they had 500 yards of offense, I don't think that is even close to being true. If you're saying Cutler sucks at gaining yards AND scoring points, I would agree. :lol:


I don't know about points. They should have scored more yesterday for sure. But I don't get the complaining about low yardage in the SF game. They scored 4 TDs. I don't care if those came on 80 yard drives (which some did) or short field drives (which some did). It's irrelevant. That being said, you should expect your QB to lead an 80+ yard TD drive if you're paid the way Cutler is - and he can do that. However how many yards he accumulates in the process of scoring is irrelevant to me.


Agreed, but this is the crux of the problem with Cutler. The Bears go through many periods in which they rack up yards. But Cutler almost never turns it into a boat load of points like Rodgers did yesterday. There's always a mistake, a penalty, a false start, a dropped pass, an overthrown pass, a miscommunication that throws them off. Maybe I expect too much. Maybe comparing him to Aaron Rodgers is unfair, as Rodgers is a unique talent and is sometimes perfect, but there is always something that causes a Cutler-led offense to be far from perfect. It can look pretty, like it did at the beginning yesterday, and then guess what... the Bears wind up with 17 points at home against a bad defense. It never completely works with him. And it never will.

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I dont care if that was Marshall's fault or what. That happens way too much with Cutler


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Agreed, but this is the crux of the problem with Cutler. The Bears go through many periods in which they rack up yards. But Cutler almost never turns it into a boat load of points like Rodgers did yesterday. There's always a mistake, a penalty, a false start, a dropped pass, an overthrown pass, a miscommunication that throws them off. Maybe I expect too much. Maybe comparing him to Aaron Rodgers is unfair, as Rodgers is a unique talent and is sometimes perfect, but there is always something that causes a Cutler-led offense to be far from perfect. It can look pretty, like it did at the beginning yesterday, and then guess what... the Bears wind up with 17 points at home against a bad defense. It never completely works with him. And it never will.


I agree, especially with the bolded part. If you focus on yards you're led to the absurdity of praising the offense for gaining nearly 500 yards to score 17 points in a loss, while needling Cutler for "only" passing for 200 whatever yards to score 28 points in a win.

Yes he will never be Rodgers but I think it's reasonable to expect him to generate more points than the average QB provides. In the end I think of him as like a decent consolation prize - he's not Rodgers or Manning, but I guess I'd take him if I can't have anything better for the time being.

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Agreed, but this is the crux of the problem with Cutler. The Bears go through many periods in which they rack up yards. But Cutler almost never turns it into a boat load of points like Rodgers did yesterday. There's always a mistake, a penalty, a false start, a dropped pass, an overthrown pass, a miscommunication that throws them off. Maybe I expect too much. Maybe comparing him to Aaron Rodgers is unfair, as Rodgers is a unique talent and is sometimes perfect, but there is always something that causes a Cutler-led offense to be far from perfect. It can look pretty, like it did at the beginning yesterday, and then guess what... the Bears wind up with 17 points at home against a bad defense. It never completely works with him. And it never will.


I agree, especially with the bolded part. If you focus on yards you're led to the absurdity of praising the offense for gaining nearly 500 yards to score 17 points in a loss, while needling Cutler for "only" passing for 200 whatever yards to score 28 points in a win.

Yes he will never be Rodgers but I think it's reasonable to expect him to generate more points than the average QB provides. In the end I think of him as like a decent consolation prize - he's not Rodgers or Manning, but I guess I'd take him if I can't have anything better for the time being.

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The Bears rank 12th in points scored. Middle of the Pack.

Mediocrity is the essence of Cutler's game. He's just good enough to sucker people into thinking he'll eventually be better.

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Agreed, but this is the crux of the problem with Cutler. The Bears go through many periods in which they rack up yards. But Cutler almost never turns it into a boat load of points like Rodgers did yesterday. There's always a mistake, a penalty, a false start, a dropped pass, an overthrown pass, a miscommunication that throws them off. Maybe I expect too much. Maybe comparing him to Aaron Rodgers is unfair, as Rodgers is a unique talent and is sometimes perfect, but there is always something that causes a Cutler-led offense to be far from perfect. It can look pretty, like it did at the beginning yesterday, and then guess what... the Bears wind up with 17 points at home against a bad defense. It never completely works with him. And it never will.


I agree, especially with the bolded part. If you focus on yards you're led to the absurdity of praising the offense for gaining nearly 500 yards to score 17 points in a loss, while needling Cutler for "only" passing for 200 whatever yards to score 28 points in a win.

Yes he will never be Rodgers but I think it's reasonable to expect him to generate more points than the average QB provides. In the end I think of him as like a decent consolation prize - he's not Rodgers or Manning, but I guess I'd take him if I can't have anything better for the time being.

Bridgewater?

The opportunity was there.


That would work if Emery Epsteined everything, but he's got a win-now squad, at least on offense.

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That would work if Emery Epsteined everything, but he's got a win-now squad, at least on offense.

I'd say a perfect time to take a risk with Bridgewater as he'd have a ton of support so wouldn't get Gabbert'd.

But making that move would've taken huge nuts. Only a entrenched GM like BB, Newsome or Teddy could've pulled that manuever.


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With all the weapons and the brilliant offensive guru coach, Cutler is a pathetic 25th in the league in yards-per-attempt (6.49). He may not have been the primary reason the Bears lost yesterday, but the Bears are paying him to do much more.


Im not sure if yardage numbers are helpful. We all know what matters is points, and yardage may or may not be determined by play design or the ability or inability of pass catchers to generate YAC, especially if they're injured like Marshall and Jeffrey.


Yards per attempt ≠ yardage

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With all the weapons and the brilliant offensive guru coach, Cutler is a pathetic 25th in the league in yards-per-attempt (6.49). He may not have been the primary reason the Bears lost yesterday, but the Bears are paying him to do much more.


Im not sure if yardage numbers are helpful. We all know what matters is points, and yardage may or may not be determined by play design or the ability or inability of pass catchers to generate YAC, especially if they're injured like Marshall and Jeffrey.


Yards per attempt ≠ yardage


Yards per attempt <<<<<<< Yardage

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With all the weapons and the brilliant offensive guru coach, Cutler is a pathetic 25th in the league in yards-per-attempt (6.49). He may not have been the primary reason the Bears lost yesterday, but the Bears are paying him to do much more.


Im not sure if yardage numbers are helpful. We all know what matters is points, and yardage may or may not be determined by play design or the ability or inability of pass catchers to generate YAC, especially if they're injured like Marshall and Jeffrey.


Yards per attempt ≠ yardage


Yards per attempt <<<<<<< Yardage


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:lol: :lol:

My arrows were the wrong way, Dave! I put them in backwards!

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The Packers are all up in Cutler's head.

And the missed TD to Jeffery was the biggest play in the game. Cutler straight up choked on it.

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My arrows were the wrong way, Dave! I put them in backwards!

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The fragility of egos on this team is amazing. Mully and Hanley alluded to some of it yesterday, saying that the Bears have removed every perceived threat to Cutler being the alpha male (Kreutz, Urlacher, McCown, etc.). And now Trestman, after initially blaming Marshall 100% for the 2nd interception (possibly to protect Cutler's feelings), has revised his assessment to say Marshall and Cutler were both at fault...is Marshall crying now? Too many catches/TDs by Bennett?

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BRick and Hoffy can get the Bills jerseys ready, as Manuel has been benched in favor of Kyle Orton.
:alien:

I am not hating on Cutler for taking the contract the Bears stupidly offered him, but it's a big problem that is only going to get worse until they get to the point where they can cut him without massive penalties. The pressure on him becomes much more intense. He has to carry his team like Rodgers did by the sheer necessity of how much money they are paying him in a salary cap league.

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The fragility of egos on this team is amazing. Mully and Hanley alluded to some of it yesterday, saying that the Bears have removed every perceived threat to Cutler being the alpha male (Kreutz, Urlacher, McCown, etc.). And now Trestman, after initially blaming Marshall 100% for the 2nd interception (possibly to protect Cutler's feelings), has revised his assessment to say Marshall and Cutler were both at fault...is Marshall crying now? Too many catches/TDs by Bennett?


There's nothing likeable about this team. Every fucking guy is a whiny little turd. That's why McCown was embraced immediately. He wasn't always acting like a little bitch.

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One more thing. You're the highly paid quarterback of an NFL team and Kristin Cavallari is giving you blowjobs and you're still miserable, you should just kill yourself. Fuck Jay Cutler!

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One more thing. You're the highly paid quarterback of an NFL team and Kristin Cavallari is giving you blowjobs and you're still miserable, you should just kill yourself. Fuck Jay Cutler!

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One more thing. You're the highly paid quarterback of an NFL team and Kristin Cavallari is giving you blowjobs and you're still miserable, you should just kill yourself. Fuck Jay Cutler!
:lol:

Remember when people said "I don't care how he acts, I just want him to win".

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One more thing. You're the highly paid quarterback of an NFL team and Kristin Cavallari is giving you blowjobs and you're still miserable, you should just kill yourself. Fuck Jay Cutler!
:lol:

Remember when people said "I don't care how he acts, I just want him to win".


Yeah, but if you can't win, it helps if you're not a complete fucking tool. :lol:

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Yeah, but if you can't win, it helps if you're not a complete fucking tool. :lol:
Yup.

See, that is where people got it all wrong about me. I want Jay Cutler to win because I want the Bears to win. However, that doesn't mean that I want Jay Cutler to succeed. It is just something I have to look past when it works.

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