When does Beane get the ax? Or maybe Oakland's owner doesn't care about rings?

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Beane is a minority shareholder in the team and the A's are still overachieving with him at the helm. At worst, he kicks himself upstairs.

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What does he give a shit about baseball when he gets to go home and shtoop Angelina Jolie?

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I think he gets a little too much hate. As if HE wrote the book

He did?

Doesn't the end of the moneyball movie reference that the Red Sox won a World Series using the same methods?

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I don't think he gets enough hate. As if he wasn't OK with the book being written.

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Didnt see it

Read the book.

Well, I guess were on opposite ends then, arent we?

I don't know if I have ever even heard him speak, I am ok with him. I liked the movie as well.

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I don't hate him. I just get tired of Billy Beane fanboys like rpb.

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BernSTINE and Meat trying to defend another Beane failure because "it wasn't a Moneyball team!!!" was just pathetic. As if all the other Moneyball teams where buried in glory and World Series rings. Just stupid.

And no, the Red Sox teams aren't Moneyball teams

I just sometimes question the jealous rage you seemingly have towards the man

Its like he personally harmed you.

And why did you see the movie?

I think it's funny to make fun of him.
I haven't.

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Same reason I poke holes in your shots at him in the name of Kenny


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It isn't really about Kenny, but it is pretty funny the guy who sleeps with a pile of ring under his pillow was one of the examples in the book.

It just amuses me that a movie was made about a guy who didn't win anything. It would be like making a movie about the 90s Indiana Pacers(though at least they played in a championship series).

Add in the fact that the A's without Beane have played in more World Series in my lifetime than both Chicago teams and won just as many and I just can't help but laugh.

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It seems crazier now than it was then. The Yankees had just won 3 of 4 World Series and spending more each year. The league was talking contraction. It seemed like no small market team would ever be able to compete again.


It does look silly now, but context matters I guess.

What does that even mean?

I think Beane is easily the best GM in the game. I just don't like that he didn't insist on crediting his scouts for coming up with Mulder, Hudson, and Zito who were really driving the train. Instead he allowed Lewis to paint them as hidebound dunderheads. They never even mentioned those pitchers or Chavez or Tejada in the movie. You would have thought it was Hatteberg and Bradford who were the key guys on that team.

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The movie was good but not at all accurate in telling the viewer what ACTUALLY happened with that team and who pushed them to almost greatness. Yes, JORR, they had 3 of the best pitchers in the game and two, at the time, monster position players....Moneyball didn't get them those guys, scouts did. Actually, "Moneyball" would have dictated that you DON'T get those players.

Again, good movie but not accurate and a total whitewash in some respects. I agree that it's hilarious that the movie/writer/director/whoever made it look like it was Beane and his guys that found some diamonds in the rough and rode them to glory!

DIDN'T HAPPEN.

This should be time stamped but I agree with SomeGuy. It didn't even hurt that bad to type that. Now he will tell me he wants to kill me.

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Everything but the bold is true. All 5 guys mentioned fit the moneyball principles of that time (Drafting college pitchers like the big 3 and High Power/High Obp guys like Tejada and Chavez)

so was "rocky".

He won his belt eventually.

If Billy Beane wins a title, I'll reverse my stance and give him a nomination in the DBOTW.

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it seems people think Beane wrote Moneyball, which he did not. It seems other people that Beane "directed" Lewis as he wrote Moneyball. He did not. He gave access, and did some interviews. That's about it. Lewis decided to paint the guy as a savior, not Beane. And as far as the movie, Hollywood is to blame for the deification of Beane.

I like Billy Beane. It may be his choice to stay in Oakland and handicap himself, but in spite of that proviso he's the best GM in baseball when you take into effect his budget. For me as an analytic person, in terms of evaluation of a GM, the playoffs mean nothing. 162 games do. And I'm impressed with him year after year. He's far from perfect. His latest Zig when he had been Zagging did not work out at all, although I remain unconvinced that any Beane prospect that gets traded away will have any great success as predicted upon them. So count me in the I Don't Believe in Addison Russell Until I Do camp. But I would have traded for Lester. Cespedes didn't exactly set the world on fire after he left Oakland. The rest of the guys just went in the tank. And I'm not sure those two events are related.

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Have you ever once heard Beane say Lewis got it wrong and give credit to his scouts for landing the pitchers that were barely mentioned in the book?

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He hasn't shied away from any of the praise. No need to feel sorry for him. He's been treated like a baseball God while actual World Series winning GM's get treated like they only won because of money or they just had things come together. I'm not just talking about Kenny Williams there either. I'm talking about a guy like Brian Cashman who actually won the whole thing but somehow it is more impressive to be better than the other few teams in your division every year and then get bounced.

To put it another way, I think it is harder to put together a team capable of winning the World Series than it is to put together a team that can win your division consistently. The fact is that Beane is horrible at doing so, though to protect the "Math is all that matters" modern day baseball fans, they have to pretend like the playoffs are just random bounces of ping pong balls. Well, if I was to lose 20 straight bets, I'd start to question just how "random" it was.

The greatest regular season GM of all time!

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I wonder what Beane's reputation would be had the book never been written

He'd be as well known as the Pacers GM from the 90s.

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I think MLB Gm's have a little higher Q rating but Im talking about among people who follow baseball enough to know front office guys.

He'd probably be thought of like the other GM's who built good teams that didnt win a title like Mark Shapiro

The movie made him look like a rube. The cat is actually pretty sharp and has made it past the 1st round.