His argument is that it was a bad idea to give Cutler all that money, unless he plays well enough to cover for the lesser talented players around him. Those lesser talented players being that because the Bears now have significantly less resources to devote to the rest of the team.

So, considering the above, every time you or spanky or anyone else starts railing about the many problems the team has and why they arent winning, it really is only bolstering Rick's original argument from when the contract was signed. And just so nobody is confused because reading is hard, this isn't blaming Cutler. It's blaming Emery.

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I believe Jared Allen is being paid $16 million. Where are his 12 threads?

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Exactly.

As I've said, I can't even blame Cutler for taking the money. He does, however, gain the expectations that come with being paid like that.

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I said the Jared Allen singing was bad from the start. It has been.

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Also, Allen is making $16 million over two years. Still bad.

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So, the idea is that every loss from now on is Cutler's fault, regardless of how he plays because the Bears are unable to scrape enough money together to get competent people to play any other position?

I'm glad I understand now.

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Who said that? If Cutler only throws his normal one INT yesterday and not two, the Bears probably win that game. Cutler did not play well enough to win. As I said last week, this team is built to win shootouts but cant win shootouts because their QB can almost never give them four quarters of mistake-free football.

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That's ridiculous. Of course he played well enough for them to win.

He was personally responsible for 3 TDs. Had them in position for another score.

The special teams has something like 13 penalties in 3 games which is unbelievable.
Gould missed a field goal.
Forte fumbled at a crucial time.
The D gave up pass plays at-will.
Where was Marshall?
Why can't they run for any yards?
Would it kill somebody else to make a play?

275 yards, 79% completions, and 3 TDs from your QB is enough to win a game against Carolina.

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No. That is not it at all.

He didn't play well yesterday when judged as a whole. He had good moments and bad moments and had multiple mistakes that were very costly.

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How can you consider us to be more irrational?

So Cutler takes no blame for the loss yesterday?

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Sounds like he's the only guy taking blame because he makes so much money.

He made 2 mistakes, one of which cost them. Otherwise, he did exactly what Trestman drew up.

If a QB can only make 0 costly mistakes for you to win a game, the team sucks.

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Amazing to me that if anyone else is mentioned as getting blame that means you are giving zero blame to Cutler.

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You are reading what you want to read.

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Come on. His exact quote was "Of course he played well enough for them to win."

He also said earlier that Cutler was not a problem on this team.

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No, obviously that is not enough to win a game against Carolina, since ya know... they lost.

Cutler was good yesterday for the most part. He needs to play great occasionally to win these types of games. Great being something in the area of 350 yards, 4 TDs, 0 INTs. I'm not saying he needs to do that every game, but in games like the past two weeks, he has to be a lot closer to that then what he has been. If he just doesnt throw INTs, the Bears will always probably be in the game, as evidenced in Week 2.

If it sounds like these expectations are too high, maybe it's because Bear fans arent used to having a true franchise QB and knowing what you should expect.

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I do.

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I guess so. If Rodgers routinely threw 1-2 INTs a game, he wouldnt have made the playoffs five years in a row though. Not throwing a pick in a game should not be talked about as if it is an extremely unrealistic scenario. It must suck rooting for Jay.

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The entire argument boils down to expectations. Jay Cutler was, is, and always will be a middle of the pack QB who is mistake-prone and inconsistent.

When Cutler was signed, many of us (myself included), were very excited about a QB with all the tools in his prime who could be a franchise QB for years to come. I expected consistent playoff appearances, multiple Pro Bowls, and a team that could build a juggernaut offense (eventually and with the right pieces).

He started out awful, with nearly as many interceptions as touchdowns. Many of us (again myself included) chalked that up to what was around him... a historically bad line, no real weapons, and inconsistent offensive coordination. As time went on, these things started to improve. We even had to get "go up and get it" receivers, and the reason for that that many don't want to admit is that Cutler is not terribly accurate.

We have now reached a point where Cutler has every tool imaginable, our once vaunted defense is a shell (no pun intended) of its former self, and we need a veteran quarterback with all the tools AND who was just paid 100 million dollars to carry us to victory. Yes, CARRY us to victory. Phillip Rivers does it consistently. Brady did it for years. Aaron Rodgers does it consistently. Roethlisberger still does it. But NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, the offense never looks "right" and it never has enough to overcome a defense that is bad but plays well enough in spurts to beat teams like the Panthers or the Bills.

Cutler is not terrible, and every loss is not his fault, but he never makes it look smooth and expected and dominant. He starts out games slinging it left and right, and the offense usually craps out at 20-25 points.

But none of this matters if your expectation was always that Jay Cutler was supposed to be a mediocre quarterback. If that was what you expected, then you are right. He is what he is, and we are overly critical. But I would challenge you in that the Bears management never had those expectations. They traded the franchise for him, built the ENTIRE offense and coaching staff around him, and paid him one of the largest contracts in NFL history. The Bears always having been bad at QB is not an excuse to have low expectations for a guy who SHOULD be expected to do more than put up a few points and make bad mistakes in critical situations.

He's also a dick, so there's that.

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Now who's reading what they want?

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You didn't answer the question.

Does Cutler deserve blame for the loss yesterday?

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The difference is no one is saying J.Allen is a top rated lineman. This along with the Houston signing is all on Emery.

Yes.

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So we agree.

Cool!

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Man, you sound like my 8yr old. "Daddy, so every time I want a snack, I have to get your permission? Juiced Senior "No, just went you want to eat junk for a snack. Feel free to eat all the apples and grapes you want."

No, we are not saying every loss is his fault. We are saying he needs to be the reason they win.

Dr ken is doing a better job of what I was trying to say.

Dude is a genius.

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Don't become a literal arguer. You know what we are talking about.

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Does Cutler deserve blame for the loss yesterday?

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No we don't.

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Or you're just an idiot.

I am a spanky fan, what does that make me?