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Post subject: Re: Peyton Manning has the best argument for GOAT

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leashyourkids wrote:

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All of the greats have something to hang their hats on. They have great stats, great postseason success, Super Bowls, etc. What exactly is Elway's other than two SB's at the end of his career in which he wasn't even his team's best offensive weapon?

He made three super bowls before that. I dont think you can just toss those away. It definitely is silly to compare him to a career loser like Cutler.

I agree with you he is overrated and a terrible human being though.

Cutler was hyperbole. Few are losers to the degree Cutler is.

He's Jim Plunkett/Eli Manning basically. Glad we can all agree on that.

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rogers park bryan wrote:

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The thing is Randall Cunningham was better than Elway

At football?

Yes

More efficient passer
Better runner
Better QB Rating
Better TD%
Better Y/attempt

Elway was more durable. When both healthy Randall was everything Elway was and a little more

Come on Bryan.
Are you blind or out of your mind?

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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:12 pm

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Moon was better than Cunningham and neither were in the class of Elway. Cunningham was Michael Vick before Michael Vick was Michael Vick.

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Nas wrote:

Moon was better than Cunningham and neither were in the class of Elway. Cunningham was Michael Vick before Michael Vick was Michael Vick.

John Elway was Eli Manning before Eli Manning was Jim Plunkett.

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Nas wrote:

Moon was better than Cunningham and neither were in the class of Elway. Cunningham was Michael Vick before Michael Vick was Michael Vick.

Racist.

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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:17 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

Moon was better than Cunningham and neither were in the class of Elway. Cunningham was Michael Vick before Michael Vick was Michael Vick.

John Elway was Eli Manning before Eli Manning was Jim Plunkett.

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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:21 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

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I think it's close, but Peyton and Rodgers are pretty clearly above everyone else playing right now. I think Rodgers is clearly better than Peyton too, but I understand why Rick would disagree.

As of now, Manning has an edge in almost all numbers, though the total stats are slightly skewed right now since Manning played this week.

Rodgers had a better QB rating than Peyton coming into this week, but Peyton is crushing everybody in DYAR and DVOA, which are better to use. So yeah, I agree the statistical case for Peyton is better right now.

But watching them both play and trying to be objective, Rodgers is better. He has a much, much worse offensive line which I think is really a big factor. The other big factor is playcalling, because I think Mike McCarthy is a moron and fucks the offense up sometimes. But that is something I'll give Peyton credit for, becoming his own offensive coordinator has pretty much prevented that from ever being an issue.

It's definitely between Peyton and Rodgers, but Rodgers can do things on the field Peyton can't do, and the converse is not true.

Manning is smarter. It's not even close. He's a coach on the field and clearly better than Mike McCarthy.

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Manning is the kid who aces the quizzes and tests but tanks the final exam. Sure he's on the honor roll but he's not graduating first in class.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Manning is the kid who aces the quizzes and tests but tanks the final exam. Sure he's on the honor roll but he's not graduating first in class.

No. Three superbowl appearances. Every important record in the book.

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Post subject: Re: Peyton Manning has the best argument for GOAT

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veganfan21 wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Manning is the kid who aces the quizzes and tests but tanks the final exam. Sure he's on the honor roll but he's not graduating first in class.

No. Three superbowl appearances. Every important record in the book.

Wrong.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/l ... career.htm

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veganfan21 wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Manning is the kid who aces the quizzes and tests but tanks the final exam. Sure he's on the honor roll but he's not graduating first in class.

No. Three superbowl appearances. Every important record in the book.

Modern records always require context. There's no question that rules favor modern era QBs. There will be a number of good but not great QBs with better stats than greats from the 70s and 80s. While it is not the only factor, playoff success is the great leveler.

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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:43 pm

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veganfan21 wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Manning is the kid who aces the quizzes and tests but tanks the final exam. Sure he's on the honor roll but he's not graduating first in class.

No. Three superbowl appearances. Every important record in the book.

His records are virtually meaningless. You can't compare his stats to his predecessors. He's also been the reason his team lost in just about every playoff game. He's a top 10 QB but the fact that he wilts under pressure hurts him. You expect him to fail at the end and he usually does. Look no further than the last 2 playoff defeats.

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Another Big Game another loss for Peyton. Outplayed by the other QB

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Another Big Game another loss for Peyton. Outplayed by the other QB

They eliminated NE from the playoffs last year.

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Scorehead wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Hank Scorpio wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

The thing is Randall Cunningham was better than Elway

At football?

Yes

More efficient passer
Better runner
Better QB Rating
Better TD%
Better Y/attempt

Elway was more durable. When both healthy Randall was everything Elway was and a little more

Come on Bryan.
Are you blind or out of your mind?

No, Im not blind. Elway is crazy overrated because he led a couple comebacks and could run at a time when few QB's did

If he was so good, he wouldnt have worse stats in almost every category than a guy like Randall Cunningham

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veganfan21 wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Another Big Game another loss for Peyton. Outplayed by the other QB

They eliminated NE from the playoffs last year.

Yes, two big games since then. Two losses.

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veganfan21 wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Manning is the kid who aces the quizzes and tests but tanks the final exam. Sure he's on the honor roll but he's not graduating first in class.

No. Three superbowl appearances. Every important record in the book.

Dont say appearances like its equal to a winning.

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rogers park bryan wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Manning is the kid who aces the quizzes and tests but tanks the final exam. Sure he's on the honor roll but he's not graduating first in class.

No. Three superbowl appearances. Every important record in the book.

Dont say appearances like its equal to a winning.

In football I believe it is close. It's only one game. I don't believe the giants beating the undefeated patriots in 2007 means the giants were the better team, as if winning that one game cements your legend as best team of x year for all of eternity.

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veganfan21 wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Manning is the kid who aces the quizzes and tests but tanks the final exam. Sure he's on the honor roll but he's not graduating first in class.

No. Three superbowl appearances. Every important record in the book.

Dont say appearances like its equal to a winning.

Peyton is the best regular season Quarterback of all time.

He turns average in January.

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Another Big Game another loss for Peyton. Outplayed by the other QB

When was the big game?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Another Big Game another loss for Peyton. Outplayed by the other QB

When was the big game?

Im sure Peyton would tell you yesterday was a big game.

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Another Big Game another loss for Peyton. Outplayed by the other QB

When was the big game?

Im sure Peyton would tell you yesterday was a big game.

Oh, so the regular season matters now?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Another Big Game another loss for Peyton. Outplayed by the other QB

When was the big game?

Im sure Peyton would tell you yesterday was a big game.

Oh, so the regular season matters now?

It always matters to some degree.

Whatever. Yesterday was meaningless. That's fine.

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Whatever. Yesterday was meaningless. That's fine.

Why is it always black and white with you? Why can't their be varying degrees?

It wasn't meaningless. It was an important regular season game. We just have to decide how much weight to give it because Peyton has a ton of great performances in regular season games against very good competition.

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I'm wavering on my Peyton love. I still love Rick, though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Whatever. Yesterday was meaningless. That's fine.

Will Peyton retire with a winning post season record?

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leashyourkids wrote:

I'm wavering on my Peyton love. I still love Rick, though.

I like plenty of quarterbacks more.

It's just hard to come up with a ranking that isn't grossly inconsistent or "I like Dan Marino" that doesn't put him at the top.

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Will Peyton retire with a winning post season record?

I doubt it.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

I'm wavering on my Peyton love. I still love Rick, though.

I like plenty of quarterbacks more.

It's just hard to come up with a ranking that isn't grossly inconsistent or "I like Dan Marino" that doesn't put him at the top.

I find you acceptable.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Will Peyton retire with a winning post season record?

I doubt it.

3 Hall of Fame QB's have losing records

21 Have .500 or above.

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