Who is better.... AP or Barry Sanders?

Hatchetman · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:03 pm

I prefer my RBs to go forward. I'd take the kid beater, though would rather have payton.

Darkside · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:04 pm

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Does your story still include the chapter where Dennis Rodman scored 20 ppg with the Pistons? :wink:

You son of a....

leashyourkids · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:05 pm

Darkside wrote:

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Does your story still include the chapter where Dennis Rodman scored 20 ppg with the Pistons? :wink:

You son of a....

When are you going to realize that favrefan KNOWS. BASKETBALL?

DannyB · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:07 pm

RFDC wrote:

IMO Jim Brown and Walter Payton are the greatest RBs of all time. They both could do it all.

Barry Sanders was the greatest pure runner ever in the NFL, but he was not a complete back like Brown and Payton.

Just in terms of Sanders and AP, I would take Sanders.

Sanders could have been a complete back but it seemed like the Lions' loser coaches, Fontes, Henning, etc. didn't really know what to do with him (aside from giving him the ball 30x a game). He potentially could have run for 23-25k yards.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:20 pm

This is a silly debate. AP isn't even in the same class as Barry. Barry averaged over 1500 yards a season behind some awful offensive line. Barry is no worse than the 3rd best running back of all time. AP isn't better than Emmett Smith or LT.

RFDC · **Joined:** Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm **Posts:** 57615

DannyB wrote:

RFDC wrote:

IMO Jim Brown and Walter Payton are the greatest RBs of all time. They both could do it all.

Barry Sanders was the greatest pure runner ever in the NFL, but he was not a complete back like Brown and Payton.

Just in terms of Sanders and AP, I would take Sanders.

Sanders could have been a complete back but it seemed like the Lions' loser coaches, Fontes, Henning, etc. didn't really know what to do with him (aside from giving him the ball 30x a game). He potentially could have run for 23-25k yards.

I don't know about that. Didn't Detroit attempt a couple years to incorporate Sanders into the passing game? Seems to me he had some stone hands, and I don't think he was ever a very good pass protector.

W_Z · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:23 pm

leashyourkids wrote:

Some of you are letting Tecmo Bowl skew your thoughts.

we're not talking about Bo Jackson here. barry sanders wasn't in Tecmo Bowl. he was in Tecmo SUPER Bowl. ahem.

pittmike · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:25 pm

AP isn't even Dickerson.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:27 pm

Nas wrote:

AP isn't better than LT.

You were wrong about that in 2007, and nothing has changed.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:29 pm

RFDC wrote:

DannyB wrote:

RFDC wrote:

IMO Jim Brown and Walter Payton are the greatest RBs of all time. They both could do it all.

Barry Sanders was the greatest pure runner ever in the NFL, but he was not a complete back like Brown and Payton.

Just in terms of Sanders and AP, I would take Sanders.

Sanders could have been a complete back but it seemed like the Lions' loser coaches, Fontes, Henning, etc. didn't really know what to do with him (aside from giving him the ball 30x a game). He potentially could have run for 23-25k yards.

I don't know about that. Didn't Detroit attempt a couple years to incorporate Sanders into the passing game? Seems to me he had some stone hands, and I don't think he was ever a very good pass protector.

Put him in Dallas or if he plays 4 more seasons and he has 20k yards easily.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:31 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

AP isn't better than LT.

You were wrong about that in 2007, and nothing has changed.

LT was definitely better and was a complete every down back. It's not close with LT and it's absolutely laughable to say he's better than Barry at anything but beating toddlers.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:32 pm

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

AP isn't better than LT.

You were wrong about that in 2007, and nothing has changed.

LT was definitely better and was a complete every down back. It's not close with LT and it's absolutely laughable to say he's better than Barry at anything but beating toddlers.

I don't think you were even this wrong about Michael Beasley.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:41 pm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... mlLa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... teAd01.htm

FavreFan · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:43 pm

Nas wrote:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... teAd01.htm

AP averaged .7 more ypc and 18 more ypg. Thanks for pointing that out.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:53 pm

Really? LT played a few extra years too long and it hurt his averages. Comparing their first 7 seasons it isn't close. I believe LT had 2300+yards 3 times.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:56 pm

Nas wrote:

:lol:

Really? LT played a few extra years too long and it hurt his averages. Comparing their first 7 seasons it isn't close. I believe LT had 2300+yards 3 times.

AP's career got cut short because he's a child abuser. If it wasn't for that he might have played 5 more years and crushed every RB stat there is. He certainly wasn't slowing down.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:58 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

:lol:

Really? LT played a few extra years too long and it hurt his averages. Comparing their first 7 seasons it isn't close. I believe LT had 2300+yards 3 times.

AP's career got cut short because he's a child abuser. If it wasn't for that he might have played 5 more years and crushed every RB stat there is. He certainly wasn't slowing down.

Looked like he was to me. Great back but not top 5.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:00 pm

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

:lol:

Really? LT played a few extra years too long and it hurt his averages. Comparing their first 7 seasons it isn't close. I believe LT had 2300+yards 3 times.

AP's career got cut short because he's a child abuser. If it wasn't for that he might have played 5 more years and crushed every RB stat there is. He certainly wasn't slowing down.

Looked like he was to me.

Right, but we've already established that you're wrong when it comes to AP. So that would mean that he was, in fact, not slowing down at all.

pittmike · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:02 pm

Never any Dickerson love. Poor guy.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:06 pm

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

:lol:

Really? LT played a few extra years too long and it hurt his averages. Comparing their first 7 seasons it isn't close. I believe LT had 2300+yards 3 times.

AP's career got cut short because he's a child abuser. If it wasn't for that he might have played 5 more years and crushed every RB stat there is. He certainly wasn't slowing down.

Looked like he was to me.

Right, but we've already established that you're wrong when it comes to AP. So that would mean that he was, in fact, not slowing down at all.

His numbers told a different story. He's really only had 2 truly great seasons. One was an all-time great season.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:16 pm

Just looking at LT's stats I can't believe he held up the way he did. They abused him. He touched the ball over 400 times a season his first 7 years in the league.

Crystal Lake Hoffy · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:36 pm

Darkside wrote:

I said Sanders. The other guy said AP. Who's right?

Who is this other guy you speak of? Because he is wrong. Barry.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:42 pm

viewtopic.php?f=72&t=43227&hilit=jim+brown&start=50

Crystal Lake Hoffy · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:48 pm

That thread reminds me how much I miss HOVA. He was a good poster.

Spaulding · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:30 pm

Sanders, not even close.

W_Z · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:38 pm

bumping these old threads are somethin.

badrogue17 · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:48 pm

It's going to be heresy for some but I don't think Sanders was as good as
Payton. In their primes I'd take Walter every time .

Jaw Breaker · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:58 pm

Sanders had the most negative-yardage runs of any back ever. Didn't block and couldn't catch. Lions took him out of goal-line situations.

Having said that, he was exciting to watch. If I had a choice for one game, I'd take AP.

pittmike · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:01 pm

badrogue17 wrote:

It's going to be heresy for some but I don't think Sanders was as good as
Payton. In their primes I'd take Walter every time .

Of course you would. He was all-purpose never had to come off the field. If it was today's rules and style with flat and screen passes he may have had a zillion all purpose yards. One thing I really recall about payton was the lack of this dumb break the plane rule. I loved watching him jump over the line for a TD.

Nas · **Posted:** Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:04 pm

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Sanders had the most negative-yardage runs of any back ever. Didn't block and couldn't catch. Lions took him out of goal-line situations.

Having said that, he was exciting to watch. If I had a choice for one game, I'd take AP.

Barry has 3000 yards receiving and averaged over 1500 yards rushing a season. AP isn't a 3rd down back or good blocking or pass catching back either. Do you recall how he cost the Vikings a Super Bowl appearance? When the pressure is on he's going to crack.

Who is better.... AP or Barry Sanders?

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