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Not that innerested. I was a Mac guy for a long time but he's been in decline for about 10 years. I'm sure any future incarnation of his show would include perpetual buttsniffer Finfer. Finfer is a white Laurence Holmes and that's me being nice. I don't blame Mac for choosing unctuous low-brow lunkheads for his supporting cast. You're older. You feel you proved yourself. Time to sit back and let the flunkies do all the work. If Mac's old show with Spiegs taught us anything, it's that if a man can collect a nice paycheck while putting in minimal effort, he will.

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Information far more secure and/or interesting than this 'leaks' literally every day; not a compelling argument for it not being known.
What is going to happen is so obvious that it defies explanation why anyone doesn't see it. :lol:

The only thing that isn't obvious is the exact time slot but I would guess that Harry, Spike, and Payton will be earlier.


Exactly. He burned too many bridges at ESPN to return there. He wants to take on Bernstein. Game on.


This is what I hope the plan is. A revitalized Mac that comes back to claw his way back, all the way to the top, unjustifiably in a position he'd rather not be in. Because the cream will rise to the top, Mac has more to offer than current Radio President Dan BernSTINE thinks that hes got. Mac isn't happy with Mitch's decision, he blames Mitch for BernSTINE being radio champion. And the cards are stacked against Mac, yes, and he will rise to the top. And there is no one that does it better than DAN MACNEIL, on balance, off balance it doesn't matter.

The cream of the crop. No one does it better.

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I won't pretend to know what the salary situation is but Mr. "I don't roll out of bed for under 300k" prolly did well for himself in that he didn't take immediate offers to pick up where he left off at the score after vacation, but I doubt he's getting whatever he wanted (500k-1mil?) Otherwise he woulda been somewhere for the start of bears season.

So I'd bet he's rolling out of bed for something like that 300k if not say 450 max (cuz if he does go to the game, which isn't official til larz says so) you figure he was holding out 4 someone to cone up from the summertime offers, and if its the game they figure the time is right to spend the $$$ and take out b&b (seeing as their ad campaign references them clear as day)

So huzzah mac... Hope your increase per year is at least more than the median salary of your average listener #ManOfThePeople

Srsly tho god bless ya get all you can get cuz the modern man must hustle

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Information far more secure and/or interesting than this 'leaks' literally every day; not a compelling argument for it not being known.
What is going to happen is so obvious that it defies explanation why anyone doesn't see it. :lol:

The only thing that isn't obvious is the exact time slot but I would guess that Harry, Spike, and Payton will be earlier.


Exactly. He burned too many bridges at ESPN to return there. He wants to take on Bernstein. Game on.


This is what I hope the plan is. A revitalized Mac that comes back to claw his way back, all the way to the top, unjustifiably in a position he'd rather not be in. Because the cream will rise to the top, Mac has more to offer than current Radio President Dan BernSTINE thinks that hes got. Mac isn't happy with Mitch's decision, he blames Mitch for BernSTINE being radio champion. And the cards are stacked against Mac, yes, and he will rise to the top. And there is no one that does it better than DAN MACNEIL, on balance, off balance it doesn't matter.

The cream of the crop. No one does it better.

But we'll see.


I thought a so-called 'revitalized' Mac was to appear on the Score ... twice, actually, I believe he was touted as 'revitalized' ... wha happun?

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Not that innerestedFinfer is a white Laurence Holmes and that's me being nice.


Not even close.

He was ripping Haugh today for a "The Bears are two passes away from being 5-3" comment. Laurence would never specifically rip a "teammate". Until he's not working for the Score anymore.


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What is going to happen is so obvious that it defies explanation why anyone doesn't see it. :lol:

The only thing that isn't obvious is the exact time slot but I would guess that Harry, Spike, and Payton will be earlier.


Exactly. He burned too many bridges at ESPN to return there. He wants to take on Bernstein. Game on.


This is what I hope the plan is. A revitalized Mac that comes back to claw his way back, all the way to the top, unjustifiably in a position he'd rather not be in. Because the cream will rise to the top, Mac has more to offer than current Radio President Dan BernSTINE thinks that hes got. Mac isn't happy with Mitch's decision, he blames Mitch for BernSTINE being radio champion. And the cards are stacked against Mac, yes, and he will rise to the top. And there is no one that does it better than DAN MACNEIL, on balance, off balance it doesn't matter.

The cream of the crop. No one does it better.

But we'll see.


I thought a so-called 'revitalized' Mac was to appear on the Score ... twice, actually, I believe he was touted as 'revitalized' ... wha happun?


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I won't pretend to know what the salary situation is but Mr. "I don't roll out of bed for under 300k" prolly did well for himself in that he didn't take immediate offers to pick up where he left off at the score after vacation, but I doubt he's getting whatever he wanted (500k-1mil?) Otherwise he woulda been somewhere for the start of bears season.



It has been widely reported, that Mac had a six month no-compete clause in his last deal.

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I won't pretend to know what the salary situation is but Mr. "I don't roll out of bed for under 300k" prolly did well for himself in that he didn't take immediate offers to pick up where he left off at the score after vacation, but I doubt he's getting whatever he wanted (500k-1mil?) Otherwise he woulda been somewhere for the start of bears season.



It has been widely reported, that Mac had a six month no-compete clause in his last deal.


oh well then thanks for the heads up... i had no idea and just assumed that he didnt jump on his first offers to either return to the score or go elsewhere because he was holding out for $$$ (at least that would make sense to me. show the score what a danny-mac-free day is like and let the game ruminate on the whole "build the station around KAP MAN!!!!!!!" thing) but hey, if anything this "news" means he prolly had to roll out of bed for $300k or, gasp, under.

and once again, i dont begrudge danny mack making his $$$ and doing whatever he's gotta to do to get it. gotta get yours in today's world cuz lord knows there's enough people waiting to take it if you don't want it... in fact i think the de-facto "social contract" of america changed from the good ol "square deal" of "graduate high school, keep your nose clean, and work hard and then you can have a piece of the (middle class) american dream" to today's "hey, nobody owes you a goddamn thing you fucking commie. if you don't want what's there plenty of people will step up and take it. choose wisely"

idk. as always i can see both sides of that argument (nature vs nuture, to a certain extent) but i think there does come a point where it's like "ok i'm doing really good $$$wise but do i want to be the rich guy in a sea of miserable assholes, or do i wanna take a hit and make sure everyone else is relatively-satiated so they fuck off and leave me alone?" --- the happy medium of that = the world today.

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Chus wrote:
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I won't pretend to know what the salary situation is but Mr. "I don't roll out of bed for under 300k" prolly did well for himself in that he didn't take immediate offers to pick up where he left off at the score after vacation, but I doubt he's getting whatever he wanted (500k-1mil?) Otherwise he woulda been somewhere for the start of bears season.



It has been widely reported, that Mac had a six month no-compete clause in his last deal.



DING DING DING...

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This is what I hope the plan is. A revitalized Mac that comes back to claw his way back, all the way to the top, unjustifiably in a position he'd rather not be in. Because the cream will rise to the top, Mac has more to offer than current Radio President Dan BernSTINE thinks that hes got. Mac isn't happy with Mitch's decision, he blames Mitch for BernSTINE being radio champion. And the cards are stacked against Mac, yes, and he will rise to the top. And there is no one that does it better than DAN MACNEIL, on balance, off balance it doesn't matter.

The cream of the crop. No one does it better.

But we'll see.


I thought a so-called 'revitalized' Mac was to appear on the Score ... twice, actually, I believe he was touted as 'revitalized' ... wha happun?


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Mac hasn't cared about his show since about 2006.


Maybe 2007. Were you a MJH guy? I can't remember.

Whatever. I hope it's better than the last 5 years. Mac is likeable and interesting. I hope he brings a little of whatever made him want to beat the score into the ground in 2001 along with him this time.


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Mac hasn't cared about his show since about 2006.


Maybe 2007. Were you a MJH guy? I can't remember.

Whatever. I hope it's better than the last 5 years. Mac is likeable and interesting. I hope he brings a little of whatever made him want to beat the score into the ground in 2001 along with him this time.


ehhh it doesn't matter. he'll show up here and make a thread with a bunch of banalities and platitudes about whats going on and per usual, 25% will lap it up and go full ALS, 25% will go out of their way to hate, and the other 50% won't give a shit.

i think bernstein realized those %s (prolly more like 15/15/70 now that i think about it) and that's why he doesn't mind doing FUCK YOU!!!!! RADIO(TM) cuz in the end as long as they can dress up the 15-25% ALS as being more numerous than they actually are then hey that's who we do it for! we've told you countless times to not listen if you don't like what we're gonna do!

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Mac hasn't cared about his show since about 2006.


Uncorrect

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Mac hasn't cared about his show since about 2006.


Maybe 2007. Were you a MJH guy? I can't remember.

Whatever. I hope it's better than the last 5 years. Mac is likeable and interesting. I hope he brings a little of whatever made him want to beat the score into the ground in 2001 along with him this time.


I liked his football thoughts. Was never a huge fan but I did listen.

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I'd like to think of myself as a Mac guy. I know I was a Mac guy and would be open to becoming one for the future. But...

This is the third go 'round on a "Mac returns" and the question becomes will there be anything new? His last return included a post that coined the phrase "PTFB" on this board, and while a return of the old Mac is sufficient for many I would hope that this time away has had him being reflective, contemplative, and hopefully innovative. Parody songs, porn, and prognostication may be staples for him (along with an aversion to the NBA) but beyond being rejuvenated from having the opportunity to sleep in the past few months what new can we expect? Is the desire to conquer B&B (again) enough to prod sober-Mac to the challenge? Lord knows B&B have provided enough fodder in this interim to carry through the dog days of the sports landscape come post Super Bowl. Of late Bernstein has become one windsocking intellectual meatball factory, and the señor columnist will surely continue to crank it out. Not that he has to program a show against theirs in that fashion but the DanMacNeels still occur frequently enough to toss a few stinging jabs back for the hell of it.

His partner shouldn't just be Finfer but someone with enough personality to counter-balance Mac. Someone that makes Mac want to come in and produce a product that has those beyond being "Mac guys" wanting to listen. That doesn't mean Mac has to reinvent himself but he needs to project beyond what he's been in the past. This last part is necessary as the competition on both stations has his imprint all over them, and while being the originator is a compliment it is easy pickings to not just take back what is his (i.e., WYC) but to put forth what the others are either creatively too lazy or too inept to create.

The countdown is on and as one posted here, "why December?" I would answer that December is right before January, which is when this whole thing launched some 23 years ago. If anybody can come in and shake things up, and more importantly give Chicago sports radio listeners a true alternative (or just a better alternative) it is Mac.

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I don't get the hype.

He'll come back, sound good for a few weeks, and then get bored. He has nothing to offer for NBA, less and less for MLB, and I don't care about hockey talk. NFL is fine, but he tends to be very negative about everything Bears related, which I find repetitive.

I don't care about his taste in music, parody songs, his drama at the station, his fishing trips, etc, and if he's in demand, he'll probably get some deal that allows him to be on vacation more than at work (get deal if you can get it!).


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Is there a reason why Mac no longer opines on this board? It seems like he would check in once in a while given the amount of free time he currently has.

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Is there a reason why Mac no longer opines on this board? It seems like he would check in once in a while given the amount of free time he currently has.


He's saving everything for his return. His silence is supposed to make us tune in. Unfortunately he has lost that ability.

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Is there a reason why Mac no longer opines on this board? It seems like he would check in once in a while given the amount of free time he currently has.


it doesnt serve any benefit to him to talk sports with board peons right now while not on the air.... if it cant benefit mac you can bet it won't happen


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Is there a reason why Mac no longer opines on this board? It seems like he would check in once in a while given the amount of free time he currently has.


He's saving everything for his return. His silence is supposed to make us tune in. Unfortunately he has lost that ability.


Nobody hears about why they should tune in to a station that nobody hears because they can't tune in .... marketing excellence.

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This is what I hope the plan is. A revitalized Mac that comes back to claw his way back, all the way to the top, unjustifiably in a position he'd rather not be in. Because the cream will rise to the top, Mac has more to offer than current Radio President Dan BernSTINE thinks that hes got. Mac isn't happy with Mitch's decision, he blames Mitch for BernSTINE being radio champion. And the cards are stacked against Mac, yes, and he will rise to the top. And there is no one that does it better than DAN MACNEIL, on balance, off balance it doesn't matter.

The cream of the crop. No one does it better.

But we'll see.


I thought a so-called 'revitalized' Mac was to appear on the Score ... twice, actually, I believe he was touted as 'revitalized' ... wha happun?


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This is what I hope the plan is. A revitalized Mac that comes back to claw his way back, all the way to the top, unjustifiably in a position he'd rather not be in. Because the cream will rise to the top, Mac has more to offer than current Radio President Dan BernSTINE thinks that hes got. Mac isn't happy with Mitch's decision, he blames Mitch for BernSTINE being radio champion. And the cards are stacked against Mac, yes, and he will rise to the top. And there is no one that does it better than DAN MACNEIL, on balance, off balance it doesn't matter.

The cream of the crop. No one does it better.

But we'll see.


I thought a so-called 'revitalized' Mac was to appear on the Score ... twice, actually, I believe he was touted as 'revitalized' ... wha happun?


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Is that a coffee creamer he's holding there?

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Is that a coffee creamer he's holding there?


yeah IIRC his promo was about "the cream of the crop" or something, so he had to whip out a little coffee creamer to designate THE CREAM of the crop. i'm sure mean gene was floored.

also, in my previous replies to this thread i've talked about the economics of it and gone off on one of my tangents about the default social contract of america, but i haven't actually touched on THE MEAT AND POTATOES of the danny mack show experience. i've opined in the past that he's got that "pull up a stool" mentality that obviously fit in with "the afternoon saloon" but moreso his mentality as "the party host" or "the bartender" that ends up being his radio MO. whereas howard stern saw himself as THE RINGMASTER who was in charge of the circus freakshow that he exploited, erm, brought you on a daily basis, danny mac's whole MO is like you're coming to his house for dinner drinks and a sporting event, so he'll do what he's gotta do to try and have something you'll like there, whether it's 10 types of alcohol or 12 types of food, a swimming pool and/or game room for the kids.... his thing is making sure there's a little something for everyone who comes in to hang out in his populist mancave of a radio show, ergo he gives you all of the gambling stuff / show-bets, the music-themed days of the week, talk about middleaged man stuff like decorating the house, cooking out on the grill, taking the kids to visit colleges. whatever the case, mac tries to spray to all fields (except for the NBA) in the hopes of having at least a little something for you, that is if you're in his demographic of middleaged/middleclass white men who like sports, but aren't necessarily defined by it.

say, isn't that a slogan for a certain new sports talk radio station that wants to appeal to a demographic of middleaged/middleclass white men who LIKE sports but aren't necessarily defined by their liking of sports? wow it's like a match made in heaven, cuz lord knows that when you've got a bulls guest on dan certainly isn't going to be defined by his passion for the NBA, but i'm sure he'll tell you "oh yeah i like the NBA" which is exactly what the station is aiming for. and given that mac's radio schtick is to have a little something for everyone as opposed to, say, THIS IS REALLY. SMART. RADIO. AND FUCK YOU IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT! yes danny mack had the in/famous PTFB thing here and he ended up coining the term, but i think b&b really embraced that ethos and ran with it to the point that nowadays it's pretty much "listen more/closely if you don't understand what we're saying (the one and only unequivocal truth of sports) and THEN if you don't like it go fuck yourself and listen to something else because last we checked, *scoffs* we're the ones with the radio show here" --- and now the game is positioned to counter-program/market themselves to combat the people who post-FOTS b&b has pushed away from the radio, and they're going to do it by bringing in a guy who puts in a lot of effort to put a wide variety of topics out there so, ironically, he doesn't have to put in a lot of effort overall to really go in-depth with any given topic (save hockey, which he actually gives a shit about so it comes naturally/effortlessly) figuring that they don't need to have a show with a lot of hard/core appeal to a relatively-niche demographic (say focusing on bears fans or baseball fans) --- they just have to have a show that can at least convince you that they don't loathe you and assume you're an idiot by default unless you show up and flash your ALS card by putting the "job" in "rimjob" --- pretty much they just have to give you a decent product that isn't b&b.

mac is a known commodity in the market, he's had a track record of success (especially versus b&b in their current timeslot), and most importantly HE ISN'T DAN BERNSTEIN. as the evolution of post-FOTS bernstein from dan bernstein to THE MAN OF JUSTICE has caused many of us who once had b&b penciled in as daily appointment radio to eventually get to a point where we listen less than we don't listen, i reckon the game figures by putting somebody with name recognition out there against b&b they're bound to get a whole lot more listeners from the anything-but-b&b crowd, and then if the show is actually good they'll end up dominating the timeslot relative to afternoon drive sports talk radio in chicago because, shit, nobody listens to ESPNradio anymore. i mean yeah there's some token spaulding posts and maybe 1-2 other people (even steve from elmhurst has given up trying to stick up as the tent-post of the ESPN1000 community on here because ESPN1000 will take his calls) but short of some people who have immunity to waddle and therefore can stomach S&W because silvy is technically prolly the most underrated/overlooked sports talk host in chicago that isn't j-hood, yeah short of that nobody listens to ESPN1000 and it's just kind of here because it's chicago and they're ESPN and technically something HAS to be here. nobody really listens to that station unless there's a bulls game on or something.

ahem. so my bad on the TL;DR and really saying nothing in the last 2-3 paragraphs of totally-necessary-summarizing, but yeah the game has made a very solid and cromulent move in bringing danny mack in to counter-program b&b. they have nothing to lose because between the mac ALS and the people who will flip over whenever bernstein pisses them off (which happens more and more often as the years roll on) they're going to get a solid enough audience to deliver quality ratings books that are at the very least leaps beyond whatever harry and spike and/or jarrett payton were doing for them. and like i said b4, if the show is any good and ends up becoming "a thing" it'll end up trouncing b&b in the ratings books because i think the concept of a "scorehead"--- aka a listener who proudly declares allegiance to the station and leaves it on all day by default--- is an antiquated concept. that dare-i-say populist era of WSCR is over because, quite frankly without stephen A smith, they don't have to kiss your ass and pretend that they like you because they're cut from the same cloth as you anymore. when they started up in the 90s sports talk radio was new and unproven and blazing new territory going from little hole in the wall studios/companies into eventually becoming the "sports media" wing of giant media conglomerates.

nowdays sports talk radio is established and proven to be something that's successful in every major/ish marketplace: the formula works, and if you've got any sort of a footprint in the industry built on the back of ~10-20+ years of success and building up the brand into something people are going to consume whether or not it's any good because that's just what they do (see the score in 2014) then you don't have to go out of your way to coddle an audience and appeal to them like PLZ LISTEN TO US!!! WE LIKE YOU!!!! --- and WHOO BOY does dan bernstein know that. he's realized the 15/15/70 paradigm (15% of people really like you ALS-style, 15% of people really hate you gloopan kuratz style, 70% of people really don't give a shit either way as long as your show is halfway decent and not having a host screaming at people about child rape or something) and at this point in his career figured it is what it is and there's nothing he can do to have a giant revitalization where he ends up becoming wildly popular or suddenly desirable for larger/national/television media.... he is what he is and he's gonna be that for the rest of his life, and he'll continue to get solid enough #s til he hangs it up someday to go fuck off before he and his wife go plan the big wedding off in the sky.

the game knows this and figures bringing in the ford taurus of chi sports talk radio (solid, dependable (.....lol), gets the job done.... but if you wanted to impress people and had a lot of $$$ and a much better option right there you'd surely jump on it) but until that day comes, if it ever comes, you're gonna stick with the jon leiber of your sports talk radio pitching staff. YOU'RE GONNA RIDE THE HORSE (unless you're harry, of course, but that said does he come back for this?) and you're gonna put the safest most easy path to decent ratings out there in the hopes of getting your station a real/AM frequency someday.... and by cracky, if people actually listen to kaplan (cuz lord knows CSN has a vested interest in making sure you consume your USDA recommended daily dose of KAP MAN) and mac puts on a solid show that will easily compete with b&b and trounce it entirely if it's any good ---- yeah that'll likely be the ticket </logo> to getting the FM frequency that 100% of radios actually get or quite possibly the AM frequency that is truly ideal for sports/talk radio (it never sounds right in FM/stereo IMHO) and in the end.... isn't that what it's really all about here?

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This is what I hope the plan is. A revitalized Mac that comes back to claw his way back, all the way to the top, unjustifiably in a position he'd rather not be in. Because the cream will rise to the top, Mac has more to offer than current Radio President Dan BernSTINE thinks that hes got. Mac isn't happy with Mitch's decision, he blames Mitch for BernSTINE being radio champion. And the cards are stacked against Mac, yes, and he will rise to the top. And there is no one that does it better than DAN MACNEIL, on balance, off balance it doesn't matter.

The cream of the crop. No one does it better.

But we'll see.


I thought a so-called 'revitalized' Mac was to appear on the Score ... twice, actually, I believe he was touted as 'revitalized' ... wha happun?


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