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Hinrich may not be a top 15 point guard, but he is better than any pg the Bulls have or could get. Thabo has potential, but he's not as consistent as Hinrich.


Wow. I definitely think Hinrich is a top 10 PG. Right around the 7-10 range probably. If hes not a top 15 PG I would like to hear of these other 15 PGs that are better. Also Tablo wasnt nearly as consistent as Kirk but was a rookie, and came into the league alot less polished than Kirk. I think Tablo has a good future ahead of him.


Off the top of my head and not in order.
Lebron
Nash
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Baron Davis
Chauncey Billups
Allen Iverson(I consider him a point gaurd)
Tony Parker
Jason Kidd
Gilbert Arenas

I would take any one of them. It is then close with this group.
Mike Bibby
Jason Terry
Andre Miller
Mike Conley(my projection)
Stephon Marbury
Kirk Hinrich

A case could be made for him at 11 ahead of all of those guys, but a case could be made for him as low as 16. I said he "may" not be one of the top 15 but upon further review he is as I have to keep Mike Conley out of the list until he plays a game.

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I can't think of a 7 foot guy that can move like Curry. He has great footwork and can score on anyone.


Dirk Nowitzki might beg to differ.


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I can't think of a 7 foot guy that can move like Curry. He has great footwork and can score on anyone.


Dirk Nowitzki might beg to differ.


And KG.

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I can't think of a 7 foot guy that can move like Curry. He has great footwork and can score on anyone.


Dirk Nowitzki might beg to differ.


And KG.

He was the first one I thought of but he's listed on NBA.com as 6'11" so I left him off the list....Duncan was the other one I thought of but he's also 6'11"

Eddy Curry is also listed at 6'11"

So I guess KG and Tim Duncan would beg to differ with you Nas.


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I can't think of a 7 foot guy that can move like Curry. He has great footwork and can score on anyone.


Dirk Nowitzki might beg to differ.


And KG.


And MB.


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And BS and HV and NSJ.

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Hinrich may not be a top 15 point guard, but he is better than any pg the Bulls have or could get. Thabo has potential, but he's not as consistent as Hinrich.


Wow. I definitely think Hinrich is a top 10 PG. Right around the 7-10 range probably. If hes not a top 15 PG I would like to hear of these other 15 PGs that are better. Also Tablo wasnt nearly as consistent as Kirk but was a rookie, and came into the league alot less polished than Kirk. I think Tablo has a good future ahead of him.


Off the top of my head and not in order.
Lebron
Nash
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Baron Davis
Chauncey Billups
Allen Iverson(I consider him a point gaurd)
Tony Parker
Jason Kidd
Gilbert Arenas

I would take any one of them. It is then close with this group.
Mike Bibby
Jason Terry
Andre Miller
Mike Conley(my projection)
Stephon Marbury
Kirk Hinrich

A case could be made for him at 11 ahead of all of those guys, but a case could be made for him as low as 16. I said he "may" not be one of the top 15 but upon further review he is as I have to keep Mike Conley out of the list until he plays a game.


Yeah so I guess seeing the list I would have Kirk at 10th. Lebron is a SF, not a PG, eric snow is their PG. AI and Gilbert can qualify as PGs, but they are more combo guards than true PGs
My top 10

Nash
Kidd
Paul
Arenas
Deron
AI
Baron
Chauncey
Parker
Kirk

Although I think Baron/Chauncey/Parker are not too much better than Kirk.

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I would say Gibson is the Cavs PG now and I wish the Bulls had taken the guy from Florida State. I think his name was Hamilton. I know he is a SF but that would have been good now since we may offer him for Kobe, obviously not straight up. I would not like to see Noc go in the Kobe trade but if it has to be that way then fine. I think Andre Barrett would actually be just fine as our point man with Kobe here.

I agree with FF that a lot of teams would take Noah and Thomas for Curry. He just seems so damn lazy its sick. I want to like him since he is a Chicago guy but thats not enough for him.

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I would say Gibson is the Cavs PG now


Not after game 3 of the Finals. :wink:

Just kidding, I agree he probably is, though he plays more like a SG than a PG (2.5 APG in 35 MPG in the finals)

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Elton Brand. Next summer. Book it.


I would be all for that. They should have never gotten rid of him in the first place. He loved it here. Great player, great guy.


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For the Bulls, now, that would seem to be Deng. Mitigating against a deal is that the Lakers feel they are under no pressure to deal because Bryant cannot leave until after next season.


I can see the future. Next year, a desperation deal to get something back when it is obvious that Kobe Bryant is on his way to a new home where they get back Thabo, Chris Duhon, Ben Wallace, and 2 first round picks.

The Lakers should be in a hurry to trade Kobe, because they aren't getting any better and Kobe wants to win.

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If Sam Smith is right I'm happy the Bulls are trying to get rid of Wallace. Hopefully he starts the season playing well so he can be more attractive to the Lakers. If the Bulls can get Kobe and get rid of Wallace at the same time I will be the happiest fan on the planet.


When was the last Sam Smith is right? I'm still waiting for us to make the move to get KG.


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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... d=tab1pos1

Pretty much every writer at ESPN.com says that the Bulls are the only logical place for Kobe to land. Which means it won't happen.


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Gordon can go, Deng must stay.

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Gordon can go, Deng must stay.



You must have listened to Northy this morning expound on the fact that Deng will be a top 5 player in the league.


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Gordon can go, Deng must stay.



You must have listened to Northy this morning expound on the fact that Deng will be a top 5 player in the league.


I would be shocked if North could even give a very, very basic scouting report on Deng and his career progression.

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You must have listened to Northy this morning expound on the fact that Deng will be a top 5 player in the league.


If everybody else is forced to play on roller skates while drunk, that prediction may come true.

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Gordon can go, Deng must stay.



You must have listened to Northy this morning expound on the fact that Deng will be a top 5 player in the league.


Deng won't ever be the number one player on his own team, but without Deng the Bulls are basically the same team that the Lakers are now. Kobe can't win on his own and that is obvious from the current Lakers.

It is not so much that I am high on Deng, but I am not high on anyone else on the team as the number two option.

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Gordon can go, Deng must stay.



You must have listened to Northy this morning expound on the fact that Deng will be a top 5 player in the league.


Deng won't ever be the number one player on his own team, but without Deng the Bulls are basically the same team that the Lakers are now. Kobe can't win on his own and that is obvious from the current Lakers.

It is not so much that I am high on Deng, but I am not high on anyone else on the team as the number two option.


Theres never been a player in the NBA in the past 30 years that can win on his own.

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Gordon can go, Deng must stay.



You must have listened to Northy this morning expound on the fact that Deng will be a top 5 player in the league.


Deng won't ever be the number one player on his own team, but without Deng the Bulls are basically the same team that the Lakers are now. Kobe can't win on his own and that is obvious from the current Lakers.

It is not so much that I am high on Deng, but I am not high on anyone else on the team as the number two option.


Theres never been a player in the NBA in the past 30 years that can win on his own.


I can think of one who thought he could, and he is the subject of this thread.

I wasn't saying that any player could, but without Deng, the Bulls are trying to win a title with one player.

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Shaq has aditted recently it was basically all Buss's decision. And Kobe never said he could, he thought he could without shaq but with other help, but Mitch never delivered on his promise for other help.

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Shaq has aditted recently it was basically all Buss's decision. And Kobe never said he could, he thought he could without shaq but with other help, but Mitch never delivered on his promise for other help.


If they kept Shaq, Kobe would be in a Clippers uniform right now. Ironically, that would have probably worked out better for the Lakers and for Kobe.

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In nearly every interview I have heard with Pax he has always mentioned two things that are preventing this team from going to the next level:

1. A big guard who can defend. Kobe is 6'6" and 1st team all NBA
2. A go-to scorer who draws double teams and can take shots at the end of the game for you...............

Further, whenever Pax is asked about the Bulls acquiring a superstar he alwasy balked at it saying things like (particularly in response to Garnett) they have not really been made available by the other team's GM or superstars just don't get traded that often. Well, Garnett was traded to an Eastern conference team, and Kobe is on the trading blocks and would accept an offer to the Bulls.

I just don't get it. Hanley writes "There is simply no need for Paxson to throw in more than one player of the team's so-called ''core.'' " Uh, yeh there is, it is called winning the NBA title. This core, as good as it is, is simply not good enough to win the NBA title. That is not their ceiling. If Pax thinks it is, he is deceiving himself. You have to take the risk.


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I still think that Hinrich and Deng are needed to be paired up with Kobe to win a title.

I don't really want Chris Duhon being our starting point guard even if we have Kobe.

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I suppose you can put Kirk on the other teams best guard for part of the game to give Kobe a break on D.


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Why do the Bulls need Hinrich that bad when Kobe will be the one handling the ball? I understand not wanting to let Deng go but not wanting to let Hinrich go is kind of crazy. Besides energy what is Hinrich really good at? He is an above average defender but he is usually in foul trouble for reaching.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=


Who is the starting point guard then? Take a look at the current Lakers and tell me why if we lose Hinrich, Gordon, and a post player that we aren't the same team.

I don't want to trade our problems for the Lakers problems. I am using the Lakers from last year for comparison

Comparing the Lakers to what we would be this is what I see.
Kobe->Kobe
Odom->Deng
Smush Parker->Chris Duhon
Luke Walton->Andres Nocioni
Kwame Brown/Andrew Bynum->Ben Wallace/Tyrus Thomas/Joakim Noah

I just don't see how we are any better than the Lakers were last year if we lose Gordon, Hinrich, and a post player.

Also, I would prefer if Kobe didn't have to bring the ball up the floor all the time as it is a lot of wasted energy.

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