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OK, whatever, there's really no point in debating a topic with someone who's either totally disingenuous


Exactly. There are no experts who think LeBron is by far the greatest to ever play the game. I'm telling you something shocking and you need me to find you examples of guys who have said it. Do you want me to explain what "sack up" means too?

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I didn't put Boozer on the list of guys that would start over Taj though he obviously has. My point about Taj is that he is a backup. He has been a backup his entire career. It's nothing wrong with that because he was one of the top sixth men in the league last year. I think Bulls fans and I'm one value him more than others around the league. He is a solid backup and an energy guy off the bench. My problem is when I here things like why go after Pau when we have Taj. Though I think I'm channeling my inner Bernstein looking for strawmen on that one. I do believe I heard it somewhere just don't know where. May have been a barbershop or something.


You heard it here. The Bulls NEEDED a wing that could score. After Marshmelo said no they should have turned to Lance Stephenson to fill that need. Now Gasol is likely to sit in the 4th quarter for defensive reasons and the Bulls still only have 1 wing that can create their own shot. He's a guy that has played 20% of the teams games in the past 3 years.
Not thee Lance Stephenson. You mean the one Indiana just let walk for very little. He can't be the answer to all the Bulls woes. There has been a lot of Lance Stephenson love here also. I've fallen back on dissing him. He was the flavor of the month for a little while but I don't think he is the answer. He barked about getting a big contract and there were very few that bit. He's not the sparkling talent that some have made him out to be. He was like Taj a guy no one expected anything from. Big time high school player very little college buzz. Second round pick only got a chance because Granger injured. Suspect jump shot extremely undisciplined and I'm not talking psychologically. His game is erratic. He's cut from the JR Smith school of erratic. He was a large part of the Pacers collapse. There were some teams that had money to spend and they didn't come checking for Stephenson. He got Trevor Ariza money. I guess they missed the memo regarding his budding stardom
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So you found a post of me saying that the Bulls needed a player who could create his own shot and that I believed Stephenson was the best option after Marshmelo. Shocking!

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So you found a post of me saying that the Bulls needed a player who could create his own shot and that I believed Stephenson was the best option after Marshmelo. Shocking!
That really is my point. You claimed he can score and he really never has been that. His numbers were more similar to Jimmy Butler not Anthony. The Bulls already had that didn't they. In his best yr he avg. 14 a game and currently he is avg 10. Does a guy currently scoring 10 a game that has never avg. More than 14 sound like the scorer the Bulls really need.

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Have you found those posts yet? Are you going to apologize for making things up again?

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So you found a post of me saying that the Bulls needed a player who could create his own shot and that I believed Stephenson was the best option after Marshmelo. Shocking!
That really is my point. You claimed he can score and he really never has been that. His numbers were more similar to Jimmy Butler not Anthony. The Bulls already had that didn't they. In his best yr he avg. 14 a game and currently he is avg 10. Does a guy currently scoring 10 a game that has never avg. More than 14 sound like the scorer the Bulls really need.


Stephenson was like the 4th option on that team. George and Hibbert were clearly the first 2 options. He shot 46% from the field and was able to create his own shot. I don't think you watch basketball.

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What shots is he creating? He is a slasher never been a big time scorer and your only rebuttal has been that he is 23. So is Tony Snell. He should have been the 3rd or 4th option. I'm wondering how a guy who avg 14 a game in his career season could ever be considered a scorer. Your arguments have been extremely weak and the only thing that you have is that I exaggerated oh my bad I used "hyperbole". You definitely were touting Stephenson and bashing Gasol. You know very little about basketball it's obvious you cheerlead for the Bulls and attempt to use it as a disguise for your ineptitude. Anyone that knows anything about Basketball would not have touted Stephenson as a scorer. The fact that you state he was an option behind the offensively challenged Hibbert proves that he is not a scorer. But you know the game please

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I guess he is Avg. 10 a game because he is the 4th option behind Kidd - Gilchrist. Even worse Bismack Biyombo

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So after looking you couldn't find any of those things? Shocking! That's not hyperbole. It was you making shit up once again. You're the worst!

Stephenson averaged 14 points while only taking 11 shots a game. He shot 49% from the field and has proven that he could create his own shot. The Bulls haven't had a healthy guy who could do that in years. Beyond that he rebounds, plays defense and makes plays for others. If he averaged 15 points and grabbed 8 rebounds and had 4 or 5 assists as a 24 year old 3rd or 4th option, I would have loved it. That's far more than we will get from Dunleavy. He's a liability on defense every night. It would also have given the Bulls a great young core going forward. As I have said I like Gasol as a player but Stephenson filled a short term and long term need. Gasol doesn't do that.

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So after looking you couldn't find any of those things? Shocking! That's not hyperbole. It was you making shit up once again. You're the worst!

Stephenson averaged 14 points while only taking 11 shots a game. He shot 49% from the field and has proven that he could create his own shot. The Bulls haven't had a healthy guy who could do that in years. Beyond that he rebounds, plays defense and makes plays for others. If he averaged 15 points and grabbed 8 rebounds and had 4 or 5 assists as a 24 year old 3rd or 4th option, I would have loved it. That's far more than we will get from Dunleavy. He's a liability on defense every night. It would also have given the Bulls a great young core going forward. As I have said I like Gasol as a player but Stephenson filled a short term and long term need. Gasol doesn't do that.
You're making shit up with liking Gasol as a player in my Stephenson search I found other instances of the Gasol bashing I found very few instances if any where you stated how you liked Gasol. This is a new phenomenon. Back to Stephenson essentially we are debating semantics. OK I couldn't find an instance where you stated he was a #1 you def. Thought he was a #2 if you didn't believe he was a legit #2 why even suggest that he was a scorer. I provided an opinion on him during the summer that us much closer to the player that he is. He is currently playing at that level. Why you keep talking about his five assists have you bothered to mention his turnovers? Have you mentioned his career assist to turnover ratio. Have you mentioned that he is avg. 3 turnovers a game this yr. I believe. He really is not a shot creator. That is your assessment. To demonstrate how far down on the food chain he is It was Charlotte that first gave Heyward the big contract that Utah eventually matched. They believed that Gordon Heyward was worth twice as much as Stephenson in dollar value. You portrayed a guy that is currently avg. 10 per game as the scorer that the Bulls so desperately needed and it's obvious that he would never be#1 with Rose but he isn't even a #2 and

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So after looking you couldn't find any of those things? Shocking! That's not hyperbole. It was you making shit up once again. You're the worst!

Stephenson averaged 14 points while only taking 11 shots a game. He shot 49% from the field and has proven that he could create his own shot. The Bulls haven't had a healthy guy who could do that in years. Beyond that he rebounds, plays defense and makes plays for others. If he averaged 15 points and grabbed 8 rebounds and had 4 or 5 assists as a 24 year old 3rd or 4th option, I would have loved it. That's far more than we will get from Dunleavy. He's a liability on defense every night. It would also have given the Bulls a great young core going forward. As I have said I like Gasol as a player but Stephenson filled a short term and long term need. Gasol doesn't do that.
He is an upgrade over Dunleavy but if you play Stephenson and Butler you don't have much in the way of outside shooting. There both slashers. I liked the Gasol move and none of this is hindsight or revisionist I'm on record because of his post game ability to face up and his passing. The Bulls needed a big man that had an offensive game. There was not one on the roster. For you to continually say that there wasn't a need when it is clear that Gasol has added a different dimension is delusional

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Wow! He didn't get paid because teams questioned his behavior. He was one of the only Pacers players that gave any effort. The stats and the tape don't support anything you're saying. He's a good defender and a really good offensive player. At 23 he is only going to get better.
I rest my case. When has anyone anywhere ever considered Lance Stephenson to be a really good offensive player? I know Nas on this message board. 10 a game stellar offensive numbers to be sure. Still not #1 option but you were really pushing Stephenson at the time

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When Gasol makes his layups he looks impressive on the offensive end. While Taj is nowhere near the offensive player Gasol is when he's at his best he could have provided a low post presence. The gap between Gasol and Taj isn't as wide as the gap between Stephenson and Dunleacy. Also Dunleavy's 3pt shooting is overrated. He shot 38% last year and he's shot 37% for his career. Stephenson shot 35.5% last year. His all around game would have more than made up for the 2.5% drop off in 3 point production. Realistically you could have had both. At the time most expected Stephenson to get at least $10M a year (Dallas offered that) but considering the Mirotic signing the Bulls would have been able to afford both if they dumped Dunleavy. Having Stephenson would have given the Bulls the best all around lineup in the NBA.

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Wow! He didn't get paid because teams questioned his behavior. He was one of the only Pacers players that gave any effort. The stats and the tape don't support anything you're saying. He's a good defender and a really good offensive player. At 23 he is only going to get better.
I rest my case. When has anyone anywhere ever considered Lance Stephenson to be a really good offensive player? I know Nas on this message board. 10 a game stellar offensive numbers to be sure. Still not #1 option but you were really pushing Stephenson at the time


Are you required to take medication for a mental illness? Shooting over 49% from the field and 35% from the 3 is really good. Averaging 14 points on 11 shots is good. He's going to get better. He's not going to shoot 30% from the field for the season. None of that says go to guy or next big thing either. Just give it up and apologize for making shit up AGAIN.

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Let me ask you this. If Stephenson were on the Bulls what option would you expect him to be? A shooting guard that shoots 35% from three really isn't that good of a shooter. He is after all a shooting guard. Where exactly would you think that he would fall on the pecking order of Bull scorers if he were on this team? I have already admitted that I exaggerated but you also were not clear in what you meant by "scorer". You touted the guy as a "scorer" when he really isnt. Indiana's offense stunk last yr particularly after the all star break and in the playoffs where was his supposed scoring prowess then. He is an upgrade over Dunleavy that doesn't say much. It is painfully obvious Gasol was the better pickup. Which option would you have expected Stephenson to be if he were on this team?

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Wow! He didn't get paid because teams questioned his behavior. He was one of the only Pacers players that gave any effort. The stats and the tape don't support anything you're saying. He's a good defender and a really good offensive player. At 23 he is only going to get better.
I rest my case. When has anyone anywhere ever considered Lance Stephenson to be a really good offensive player? I know Nas on this message board. 10 a game stellar offensive numbers to be sure. Still not #1 option but you were really pushing Stephenson at the time


Are you required to take medication for a mental illness? Shooting over 49% from the field and 35% from the 3 is really good. Averaging 14 points on 11 shots is good. He's going to get better. He's not going to shoot 30% from the field for the season. None of that says go to guy or next big thing either. Just give it up and apologize for making shit up AGAIN.

Sort of like you have already apologized for lying about liking Gasol. They have already started a Shoutout thread for the purpose of preventing the further badgering of your brain and you still not taking the deal

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You touted the guy whose career high was 14 a game as the scorer that Bulls needed and now you are spinning it. I may have got the #1 option part wrong but I have been right about everything else. You've been battered so much that your only valid point is that he'd be an upgrade over Dunleavy. Damn I will give you a break and let you rest a little.

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Let me ask you this. If Stephenson were on the Bulls what option would you expect him to be? A shooting guard that shoots 35% from three really isn't that good of a shooter. He is after all a shooting guard. Where exactly would you think that he would fall on the pecking order of Bull scorers if he were on this team? I have already admitted that I exaggerated but you also were not clear in what you meant by "scorer". You touted the guy as a "scorer" when he really isnt. Indiana's offense stunk last yr particularly after the all star break and in the playoffs where was his supposed scoring prowess then. He is an upgrade over Dunleavy that doesn't say much. It is painfully obvious Gasol was the better pickup. Which option would you have expected Stephenson to be if he were on this team?


You just told me that a career 37% 3pt shooter was great and now you're knocking a guy that shot 35.5%? On this team he would probably be the 3rd option. All you would be asking him to do is create his own shot when Rose is double teamed or taken out of the game. The Bulls don't have anyone other than Rose that can do that and Rose can't stay healthy.

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You touted the guy whose career high was 14 a game as the scorer that Bulls needed and now you are spinning it. I may have got the #1 option part wrong but I have been right about everything else. You've been battered so much that your only valid point is that he'd be an upgrade over Dunleavy. Damn I will give you a break and let you rest a little.


Everything you posted was wrong. I never called him a go to scorer or the next big thing. Instead of you apologizing for being wrong AGAIN you now want to change things. You just have horrible basketball thoughts and no awareness whatsoever.

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Let me ask you this. If Stephenson were on the Bulls what option would you expect him to be? A shooting guard that shoots 35% from three really isn't that good of a shooter. He is after all a shooting guard. Where exactly would you think that he would fall on the pecking order of Bull scorers if he were on this team? I have already admitted that I exaggerated but you also were not clear in what you meant by "scorer". You touted the guy as a "scorer" when he really isnt. Indiana's offense stunk last yr particularly after the all star break and in the playoffs where was his supposed scoring prowess then. He is an upgrade over Dunleavy that doesn't say much. It is painfully obvious Gasol was the better pickup. Which option would you have expected Stephenson to be if he were on this team?


You just told me that a career 37% 3pt shooter was great and now you're knocking a guy that shot 35.5%? On this team he would probably be the 3rd option. All you would be asking him to do is create his own shot when Rose is double teamed or taken out of the game. The Bulls don't have anyone other than Rose that can do that and Rose can't stay healthy.
I never said that Dunleavy was great you're Making shit up now. You do it a lot. I not going to focus on that. If Gasol is not on the Bulls and Taj is your four Stephenson would have to be a #2. The problem with Stephenson is not only isn't he much of a scorer he is also turnover prone and he makes bad decisions. His 35 from three is a career high. He may get better he may not. You can't assume that he will become a better player because he will be older you don't know that. This is what he is as of today. The configuration of there team would necessitate that he be a #2 which means he would have to handle. If he has to handle he is going to turn it over. That is what he has been throughout his career. My assessment of Stephenson from the summer has been spot on.

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You touted the guy whose career high was 14 a game as the scorer that Bulls needed and now you are spinning it. I may have got the #1 option part wrong but I have been right about everything else. You've been battered so much that your only valid point is that he'd be an upgrade over Dunleavy. Damn I will give you a break and let you rest a little.


Everything you posted was wrong. I never called him a go to scorer or the next big thing. Instead of you apologizing for being wrong AGAIN you now want to change things. You just have horrible basketball thoughts and no awareness whatsoever.

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So you couldn't find any posts of me making statements like that despite spending hours looking? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Really haven't looked that hard what is really funny is that you're focusing on a throwaway line. At worst you touted the guy as a #2 now you are running away from it faster than Bullet Bob Hayes. Your argument for wanting Stephenson over Gasol has whittled down to well he is better than Dunleavy. You're done

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Maybe this has been answered but I'm hoping to save this thread:

Now that we see how Pau is playing - would you still want Lance over Pau? Especially considering it would cut down on Butler's minutes.

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Really haven't looked that hard what is really funny is that you're focusing on a throwaway line. At worst you touted the guy as a #2 now you are running away from it faster than Bullet Bob Hayes. Your argument for wanting Stephenson over Gasol has whittled down to well he is better than Dunleavy. You're done


It wasn't away line. That's how you brought up the topic. Now show me where I said he was a #2? My argument is still the same. It was the same before Gasol signed. It'll be the same next month and the month after that too. I would rather have Stephenson than Gasol. I would love to have both.

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Maybe this has been answered but I'm hoping to save this thread:

Now that we see how Pau is playing - would you still want Lance over Pau? Especially considering it would cut down on Butler's minutes.


Why would Butler lose minutes?

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Maybe this has been answered but I'm hoping to save this thread:

Now that we see how Pau is playing - would you still want Lance over Pau? Especially considering it would cut down on Butler's minutes.


Why would Butler lose minutes?

Lance Stephenson gets added to the wing / SG rotation.

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Maybe this has been answered but I'm hoping to save this thread:

Now that we see how Pau is playing - would you still want Lance over Pau? Especially considering it would cut down on Butler's minutes.


Why would Butler lose minutes?

Lance Stephenson gets added to the wing / SG rotation.


That would mean Dunleavy would go away. Butler wouldn't lose time. McBuckets could give both a break.

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Dunleavy was under contract. McDermott hasn't shown he deserves more minutes yet.

The team, as it is currently constructed, is better than a team with Lance Stephenson, without Pau Gasol, and whatever would have happened with Dunleavy and finding someone that can hit those shots and not be as lost as McDermott is.

And I was a guy that wanted Lance Stephenson. I wasn't sure Pau would play this strongly.

Pau has been legit, and he can also save Noah from playing a few more minutes per game, which will help the Bulls in the long run. Noah needs to be fresher.

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