Offense vs Defense
New vs Old
Disrespected vs Respected
White vs Black
Guy not hired as offensive coordinator in 2004 vs guy hired as head coach in 2004
Awful clock management vs Awful clock management

Who do you got?

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Lovie by a fucking mile

I think its going to be a horrible game, played in bad conditions on a terrible field, that the Bears will somehow win. Its kind of going to be like last week where they will have chance after chance to put the Bucs to bed but will fail to do so. Bucs score late to cover the spread.

Lovie will almost surely outcoach Trestman though.

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I think Trestman will be at the top of his game. He wants to prove that he's better and he has an ax to grind because he was passed over for Terry Shea.

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Trestman at the top of his game is likely not very good, Nas.

Also, if he is going into Sunday wanting to avenge something that happened over 10 years ago, then shame on him. His team needs to win out to make the playoffs and probably save his own job. That should be the only thing on his mind from week to week.

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I know. I'm trying to get meatball mode. Last year he was solid though.

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Trying?

Kicking a 48 (47?) yard FG on 2nd down is not "solid." I could understand a chip shot, but anything over 30 yards is just stupid.

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Are you going the Simeon/HF game? If so, let me know. I think I know eight kids & their families between the two teams & the parents will make tailgating @this a good time.

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I think I may go. The hating that you did has motivated them to make history.

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You call it hating, I call it motivation. The kids at Simeon I know feed off of it.

You must be getting soft in your advancing years.

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Fuck, I wish I could remember my JUGGS password

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Serves you right.

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Coming from Kenwood I wasn't sure if you were aware that winning is in Simeon athletes DNA.

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Lets just say I'll reserve my arguments for tomorrow. In any debates between Kenwood & Simeon folks, Simeon grads are going to need all the help they can get. I figure 3-4K Simeon fans may just make it a fair fight.

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Lovie's worst teams were below average. They never collapsed and became a circus show like this year's team, or the defenses of the past two years.

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Lovie has had more success but the question is who will have their team better prepared for the game. I think this game means more to Trestman. He'll pull out all stops. This is supposed to be the defense that gives Cutler fits. He will probably bring his A game too.

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The game means more to Tampa. They're still in the hunt for the division. Just two games back.

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You're right, but they should be more concerned with the hunt for Mariota.

Trestman's job is on the line. If they lose Sunday the Bears may only win 1 more game.

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Which one will call a dumb timeout first?

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Hoping the Bears lose and improve their draft position. Tampa is fucking terrible this year tho.

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True that his worst team's were only below average, and he's never lost the locker room. That said, Tampa's defense this year is giving up 1.9 less points per game than the Bears, and the Bears have given up 17 less yards per game...not really a big difference there. The Bucs gave up 56 points to Falcons (the Falcons!!) and 48 to the Ravens. While the Bears were absolutely humiliated this year by the Patriots, the last time a Lovie-led Bears team played them, they still gave up 33 by half time, and that was with Urlacher, a younger Briggs, Tillman, and Peppers.

Lovie can put together an excellent defense when he has a pro bowl caliber pass rusher, middle linebacker, weakside linebacker, and corner. Take away one or two, and it quickly becomes mediocre, unless it's the pass rusher, and then it's barely mediocre. He has never shown much ability to adapt his defense to the players he has, and I seriously doubt our defense would be significantly better or less circus-y this year if Lovie was coordinating it, given the lack of talent on the roster.

I think your last point ignores how they specifically drafted players like Tommie Harris to do what the system demanded from those particular positions. So Tommie Harris had a certain skill set that Lovie optimized, and the same with players like Tillman and Briggs. Besides, a defense collapsing if you take away pro bowlers from two or three positions would be true of any defense, not just Lovie's.

In any case, yes the Buccaneers are nothing to write home about this year, but I'm willing to give him a pass this year. Eventually I am confident he'll get things in order on one side of the ball. It is my belief that the best the Bears can do on defense had Lovie been here is average. They would have never had the inexcusable communication errors that lead to wide open pro bowlers jogging into the end zone for TD after TD.

And yeah, Lovie got humiliated in that Patriots game. But these Bears get humiliated, if not by points given up, by just lack of execution all across the board almost every week.

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I agree that there's something to be said for drafting players to fit your defense, but there are going to be injuries and sometimes draft picks don't work out. There were a few years between Tommie Harris and Julius Peppers where the defense was pretty average, and they still had multiple pro bowlers. I do understand that losing multiple pro bowlers hurts any defense, but that's kind of my point. The defense right now is pretty devoid of any talent besides Young and Fuller, and with that crap to work with I don't think we'd see anything significantly different with Lovie, besides the players actually caring a little more.

About the communication errors, didn't the Bears have a pretty big blown assignment in the Super Bowl? I'm certainly not trying to defend Tucker -I want him gone as much as anyone. I just think at times Lovie's defensive prowess is overrated, as he needs very specific players to play a very specific defense. The very best seem to be able to adapt to what they have much better than he does.

We'll see about Tampa.

Not sure if we watched the same defense. For years the Bears defense would be fine as long as Urlacher never missed time. When he went out they were average at best. That changed the last few years. The Bears plugged the next guy in at just about every position (including MLB) and we're still good.

I blame Emery and not Trestman for the defense. He picked the players and the coordinator.

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Maybe we weren't? Urlacher played all 16 games in 2007 and 2008, and they were still average (16th both years) without a good pass rusher. In 2009 when Urlacher was out, and they still had no pass rusher, they slipped to 21st. In 2010 the Bears signed Peppers, which coincided with their return to a dominant defense. Urlacher played all 16 games in 2010 and 2011, but yeah he did miss four games in 2012 and they dealt with that better than I would have thought. (Though thinking about that Seattle game still makes my stomach turn)

Agree about Emery.

not hard to be better than a historically bad defense.

lovies teams beat up on the below .500 teams with bad and rookie qbs that threw the ball away.

Good QBs always easily moved under Lovies cover 2, got into the red zone. Takeaways are great, but to rely upon them when playing playoff teams isnt a good plan....but looked good in the total stats.

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As usual your Lovie analysis is based on misrepresentation and gross generalizations, as if holding teams between 16-19 points during his best years was the result of "rookie qbs that threw the ball away." During his best years Lovie lost because he didn't get offense right. The defense was always good enough to win the SB during his best years, which I want to say was at least five out of the nine he was here for.

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Sneakers and bigfan are right.