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Looks like George, Phil and Marc huddled together since Thursday and decided to make Cutler the scapegoat, according to all these articles coming out against Cutler. Phil and Marc decided that throwing Cutler under the bus was the best way to keep their jobs. Which means also they'll get a pass next year, too, with whatever new quarterback they bring in. The other scapegoat will be Tucker.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:13 am 
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This shows just how dumb the Bears are.

We have an organization that traded for him and coddled him for his whole time here.
We have a GM who gave him a massive contract and basically locked him in here for 3 years unless a team is willing to give you a 6th round pick to "fix him". This was after a terrible quarterback proved he could be successful at a level that Cutler has never achieved.
We have a coach who was interviewed by Cutler and then chosen to "fix him" and they even played up the past relationship between the two.

So, pretty much everyone was completely on board with this plan until things started to get real and now all of a sudden they can't be blamed. You can't just turn it off. Even if Cutler is the problem, these guys all allowed him to be a problem, and made it so much worse than it had to be. If we had a franchise tag on him this year and this was going on then that would make sense. We are still in the same calendar year of this very braintrust giving him a massive contract which then looked silly when Dalton and Kaepernick signed their actual team friendly deals.

If this is what it takes for them to realize that it is just time to move on from Cutler then I guess it would be worth it, but others should be following him out the door.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
This shows just how dumb the Bears are.

We have an organization that traded for him and coddled him for his whole time here.
We have a GM who gave him a massive contract and basically locked him in here for 3 years unless a team is willing to give you a 6th round pick to "fix him". This was after a terrible quarterback proved he could be successful at a level that Cutler has never achieved.
We have a coach who was interviewed by Cutler and then chosen to "fix him" and they even played up the past relationship between the two.

So, pretty much everyone was completely on board with this plan until things started to get real and now all of a sudden they can't be blamed. You can't just turn it off. Even if Cutler is the problem, these guys all allowed him to be a problem, and made it so much worse than it had to be. If we had a franchise tag on him this year and this was going on then that would make sense. We are still in the same calendar year of this very braintrust giving him a massive contract which then looked silly when Dalton and Kaepernick signed their actual team friendly deals.

If this is what it takes for them to realize that it is just time to move on from Cutler then I guess it would be worth it, but others should be following him out the door.


The Bears brass takes us all for morons. How many times has Emery said Cutler is an elite quarterback when justifying his contract? To paraphrase, he said something like "if he's a winning quarterback in the NFL, that makes him elite." Now they pull a 180, because their jobs are on the line. Their argument will be, "Well we wanted it to work out with Jay, but now it's time to bring in our own guy. Cutler wasn't our guy."

What a clusterfuck.


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If Cutler is the reason they are bad Emery should be fired for giving him the contract.

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He's going to finish with his best statistical season despite having an idiot as a play caller the last 8 weeks. Sounds like Emery and Trestman need to look in the mirror.

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Nas wrote:
He's going to finish with his best statistical season despite having an idiot as a play caller the last 8 weeks. Sounds like Emery and Trestman need to look in the mirror.


Best garbage time QB in NFL history.

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After every excuse has been removed over the years (the horrible o-line, the lack of good WR, the revolving coordinators, etc.), now we hear that he would realize his true potential if only he had Mike Shanahan! When does the nonsense end?

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Nas wrote:
He's going to finish with his best statistical season despite having an idiot as a play caller the last 8 weeks. Sounds like Emery and Trestman need to look in the mirror.
The playcalling is the reason he is having his best statistical season though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He's going to finish with his best statistical season despite having an idiot as a play caller the last 8 weeks. Sounds like Emery and Trestman need to look in the mirror.
The playcalling is the reason he is having his best statistical season though.


Doesn't look like it the past 8 games. It's ridiculous that Trestman is complaining about Cutler not checking out of running plays that won't work. What about the passing plays? Those have been predictable and bad the past 8 games.

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Nas wrote:
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He's going to finish with his best statistical season despite having an idiot as a play caller the last 8 weeks. Sounds like Emery and Trestman need to look in the mirror.
The playcalling is the reason he is having his best statistical season though.


Doesn't look like it the past 8 games. It's ridiculous that Trestman is complaining about Cutler not checking out of running plays that won't work. What about the passing plays? Those have been predictable and bad the past 8 games.
It is though. All they do is pass, and Cutler is still in there even after the game is well out of reach.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He's going to finish with his best statistical season despite having an idiot as a play caller the last 8 weeks. Sounds like Emery and Trestman need to look in the mirror.
The playcalling is the reason he is having his best statistical season though.


Doesn't look like it the past 8 games. It's ridiculous that Trestman is complaining about Cutler not checking out of running plays that won't work. What about the passing plays? Those have been predictable and bad the past 8 games.
It is though. All they do is pass, and Cutler is still in there even after the game is well out of reach.


He's racked up garbage stats in 2 games.

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Nas wrote:
He's racked up garbage stats in 2 games.
The last 4 losses have all included pretty big amounts of garbage stats.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He's racked up garbage stats in 2 games.
The last 4 losses have all included pretty big amounts of garbage stats.


Not the Packers and Lions game. He didn't throw another touchdown but threw interceptions.

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Nas wrote:
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He's racked up garbage stats in 2 games.
The last 4 losses have all included pretty big amounts of garbage stats.


Not the Packers and Lions game. He didn't throw another touchdown but threw interceptions.
In the Packers game he had a touchdown pass down 45-0.

He just padded his yardage stats in the Lions game though that game was at least kind of close.

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This thread just is not the same without Frank :(

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He's racked up garbage stats in 2 games.
The last 4 losses have all included pretty big amounts of garbage stats.


Not the Packers and Lions game. He didn't throw another touchdown but threw interceptions.
In the Packers game he had a touchdown pass down 45-0.

He just padded his yardage stats in the Lions game though that game was at least kind of close.


True. I was mixing it up with the first Packers game.

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True. I was mixing it up with the first Packers game.
It really doesn't matter though.

None of these guys can use the Cutler excuse. They are tied to him unless of course it came from higher than them which would be troubling.

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I really wanted Cutler to be the guy here. I gave him the benefit of the doubt snd defended him but he is who he'll always be. A QB with elite level ability but severely average play and a terrible decision maker. He will never change that. I dont think Trestman trusts Jay with the plays anymore and has to limit the plays he calls for Cutty

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I really wanted Cutler to be the guy here. I gave him the benefit of the doubt snd defended him but he is who he'll always be. A QB with elite level ability but severely average play and a terrible decision maker. He will never change that. I dont think Trestman trusts Jay with the plays anymore and has to limit the plays he calls for Cutty


Yeah. That ship has sailed - time to move on. BRick was right during the summer of 2014.

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I really wanted Cutler to be the guy here. I gave him the benefit of the doubt snd defended him but he is who he'll always be. A QB with elite level ability but severely average play and a terrible decision maker. He will never change that. I dont think Trestman trusts Jay with the plays anymore and has to limit the plays he calls for Cutty


Yeah. That ship has sailed - time to move on. BRick was right during the summer of 2014.


Brick was late to the party. Someone else was leading the charge before then.

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This is the kind of money that gets paid when a team hasn't sniffed a good QB in decades. This is a guy who our GM has deemed worthy of a massive payday....after watching a QB with much less natural ability run the same offense in a more efficient manner. A guy, who will be 31 at the start of next season....not 24, 25, 28,...but 31 who they are counting on to suddenly blossom into a leader of men and to keep improving. This was an unnecessary expenditure given the type of offense being run. Stupid, stupid deal.

He better be absolutely lights out from here on out. The bullseye is now squarely on Jay.


I know it's shooting fish in a barrel. Also from the same thread:

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Next year may be rough. Looking at that schedule I doubt the Bears will finish .500 UNLESS the defense becomes great overnight.


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If reports of Cutler getting $50m guaranteed are true, that would be the 2nd most in NFL(Rodgers). #Bears


That should get Emery fired. He was a tough negotiator with Forte and others but allowed his love of Cutler's talent to make him do something foolish.


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Cutler has produced like a top 15 QB and top 15 QB's shouldn't get $18M a year. This is worse than the tag. You don't tag him so he can provide cap relief.


And BRick absolutely nailed it:

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Terrible. Absolutely terrible. When Emery and/or Trestman are fired we will look at this as a major reason why.

The only way this deal makes any bit of sense is if you project Jay Cutler to be a top 5 quarterback over the next three years. Putting the future of the franchise in his hands for the next 4-7 years and paying him like Tony Romo is about as dumb of a move as I can remember.

No reason to even draft a quarterback now before the 5th round. Even if that quarterback becomes good it doesn't matter as your team is screwed if Jay Cutler isn't the starter making huge money.

It's hard to overstate just how bad of a position the Bears are in here. This is going to make the Romo and Flacco deals look like bargains. Jay Cutler MUST become a player who is at least in the conversation for being top 5 in the league for this to make any sense. People are already questioning how big of a mistake the Romo and Flacco contracts were and Jay Cutler doesn't have the same resume as either.

It's funny, when they traded for Jay Cutler, I said "In order for this to be a good trade, he'll have to play significantly better than he did in Denver", and then he didn't, and now for this to be a good deal for the Bears, he'll have to play significantly better than he did here. We will look back at the Jay Cutler era as a waste of time where we watched the Bears hover in the middle of the league and a quarterback who got paid a ton of money to produce enough for people to defend him by cherry picking statistics to show he's more than an above average starting quarterback.

This really sets the Bears back long term. To be honest, I would have understood completely the franchise tag for this year. This is indefensible. The Bears gained nothing here. We don't even know if another team would have offered a deal as long and as good as this.

And please, for anyone thinking or wanting to say that I just "hate Jay Cutler" please give me your expectations for him next year and for the first four years of this deal. We'll assume the last 3 years are fake anyways. How many playoff appearances? How many pro bowls? How many years will he outperform Aaron Rodgers? How many years will he outperform Matt Stafford? How many years will he outperform Blake Bortles or whoever Minnesota drafts at QB? To put it another way, if Cutler's next 4 years go as well as his past 4 years will you be happy?


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He's going to finish with his best statistical season despite having an idiot as a play caller the last 8 weeks. Sounds like Emery and Trestman need to look in the mirror.


Best garbage time QB in NFL history.


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