What we are seeing today is the end of the Angelo/Lovie era. The biggest mistake that was made was turning the Emery/Trestman regime into an extension of that. The Trestman hire was a desperate attempt to try and keep what Lovie did around while fixing an offense with unfixable problems. You can't be in "win now" mode forever unless you have a top 5 quarterback or if you are actually winning Super Bowls. The last true rebuilding season was 2004. It is time for another one in 2015.

Trestman is obviously gone as is his whole staff. They are beyond repair.
Emery should probably be gone but there is at least some valid reasons to keep him at least for a year if you bring in a new president to oversee options and hire a new coach. I'd say you get rid of him too, but some amount of continuity could be a good thing especially if it basically takes a lot of the decision making out of his hands. Emery becomes a glorified scout and gets evaluated for the next year.

Now the hard part happens. You must remove Cutler and Marshall from the team. Cutler is tradeable. I have no doubt. You may only get a 7th round pick for him but that is fine. However, a team in win now mode or a team that is desperate may offer more. The team would probably also take Marshall and hope they could extract a few years out of that duo. If not, you release Marshall outright. This would provide salary cap relief that would help but realistically they aren't winning next year no matter what. If you can't find a trade partner, then you release both of them and just take the massive hit so you can move on. The salary cap hit doesn't hurt as much when you are rebuilding since you don't really care about winning anyways. This saves a pretty good amount of money in year 3 I believe.

If you keep Cutler and Marshall, there are only two ways it plays out, and they are equally bad.
1) They end up bouncing back next year and being decent. You end up at 8-8 and have another lost year.
2) They end up being bad again, and you have lost another year.

The absolute ceiling for the Bears the next two years as currently constructed is maybe sneaking in for a wild card. They are old, declining, and have very few young players you can consider good candidates to improve enough to make you more than that. They are in qb hell right now with a quarterback that will never be elite but instead just be average without the team to surround them that can overcome it.

Subtract Trestman, Cutler, Marshall, and probably Emery and do a true rebuild. It's going to be rough to watch but at least there is hope. There is currently no hope for this team. You can't look at what that team was against the Saints and see any real reason for optimism. It just isn't working. The plan failed. There is not a single person that wouldn't go back to the day that Emery was hired and tell him to do a rebuild starting day one, or at a very minimum when he fired Lovie. If they don't do this then they'll be sitting here a year from today wishing they had.

We don't want to become the Jets, who basically close their eyes at the start of every year and wish really hard that they somehow become a good team again. The Bears need an actual plan to do it.

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WYC

Huh?

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trade trestman and cutler to the saints for payton and brees

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

He thinks you're a member of the Waukegan Yacht Club.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Give up and find another team to root for.

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Trade Cutler to the Bills for Kyle Orton and 2 first round draft picks.

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You know me like that.

What's a true rebuild? Stripping the old, bad and overpaid? Hmmmmm, sounds similar to what a team did many posters are a fan of and a minority would obsessively not shut the fuck up with criticism.

True.

I guess there are two ways out.

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No. Not even close to the same thing.

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You're asking to tank. Sounds similar to me. Seasons are sacred!!!!!

If you get rid of Cutler and Marshall you also have to dump Forte and considering his age you aren't going to get more than a 3rd round pick. You don't need to go into complete rebuild mold in the NFL.

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GO BEARS!!!

Do you understand what a salary cap is?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

For one year to get rid of a couple contracts in a salary cap league. This is only if they can't find a trade partner. Realistically, they may not even tank next year if Cutler and Marshall can be traded, though the hole at quarterback would limit them short term.

Can I point out the thread where a majority of Cubs fans said the rebuild took too long?

I don't think anyone is against rebuilding. The issue with Theo is the Cubs were already bad for two years, and then he extended it three more years. If I was saying they should fire Emery and then get a new guy to tank for 3 years you'd have a valid comparison. A team rebuilding for one year certainly does not qualify.

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We Packer fans welcome you!!!

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I'd take a 3rd round pick for Forte right now. That would be great.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

No it wouldn't. There is a great chance that 3rd round pick will suck. There is no chance Forte sucks the next 2 years.

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Not only that, if the Bears had the opportunity (as well as the cash) to go out and improve every important position, but instead decided to develop players on the taxi squad while waiting for draft picks over several years and filling in with the cheapest guys possible, you'd be making a better comparison.

Kirkwood loses again.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

The Bears have been bad for 4 years. No playoffs. By removing Cutler the rebuild will be multiple years. Suggesting anything else is delusional.

Have the Bears only been to the playoffs once since they went to the Superbowl?

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They won't get worse by doing that.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I believe they've won as many playoff games as Aaron Rodgers has since he played in a SB.

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GO BEARS!!!

i would take a straight up trade for orton at this point

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

I feel dirty for even thinking it, but honestly the thought has crossed my mind more than once this season.

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No. The Bears have been average. In the last 4 years, they are .500. Coming into this year, they were 37-27 the four years prior to that. You are flat out wrong.

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That wasn't the question, hopefully somebody will answer it. My son said it to me this morning and I didn't believe him.

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The ownership has to "hear" the fans crying. Desperate moves need to be made.

I think Emery kind of gets the shaft but he is the dummy who extended Cutler.

Fire them all and dump Cutler,Marshall,etc.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Yes & No. Cutler provides a floor of not being Jaguars/Bucs/Titans bad. Ridding him means the Bears will get "worse" because they'll cut or let all the contracts for the old vets expire over 1-2 years: Tillman, Jennigns, Ratliff, Allen, Bushrod, Marshall, Bennett, Mundy etc.

Cutting all the old blood isn't a bad thing but there is literally no young talent to slide in. Like they can't even play bad.

Hawg Jr is correct.

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