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I will have to see what the experts think but it appears to be an very strong WR draft

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I will have to see what the experts think but it appears to be an very strong WR draft
It is but WR's are kind of becoming like running backs. Easy to find ones that can put up big numbers. Emery even was able to do it!

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I will have to see what the experts think but it appears to be an very strong WR draft
It is but WR's are kind of becoming like running backs. Easy to find ones that can put up big numbers. Emery even was able to do it!


I would say that WR are becoming more specialized. The Bears need a speed (unless Wilson shows something in the next three weeks)

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I will have to see what the experts think but it appears to be an very strong WR draft


It is. I don't think there are any can't-miss guys though. There's a couple 1st round guys and then maybe a dozen guys that could go 2/3. I'm not that sold on Cooper although I think he'll be good, not sure he's a great NFL receiver.

It's a really weak LB draft. Other than McKinney, there's probably not another inside LB that will go before the 3rd round, maybe Perryman from Miami.

There's probably a half-dozen outside LB for the top 3 rounds. Shaq Thompson and Vic Beasley, at least one of them, should be available when the Bears pick (barring a late-season winning streak). I think Shaq is the guy the Bears want.

It's also pretty weak at safety but there should be a guy there for them in the 2nd. Cody Prewett at Ole Miss has good size and is a 2nd round type but the Bears never saw Ole Miss. They did see Stanford twice and they have Jordan Richards at strong safety projected as a 3rd or 4th rounder.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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I will have to see what the experts think but it appears to be an very strong WR draft


It is. I don't think there are any can't-miss guys though. There's a couple 1st round guys and then maybe a dozen guys that could go 2/3. I'm not that sold on Cooper although I think he'll be good, not sure he's a great NFL receiver.

It's a really weak LB draft. Other than McKinney, there's probably not another inside LB that will go before the 3rd round, maybe Perryman from Miami.

There's probably a half-dozen outside LB for the top 3 rounds. Shaq Thompson and Vic Beasley, at least one of them, should be available when the Bears pick (barring a late-season winning streak). I think Shaq is the guy the Bears want.

It's also pretty weak at safety but there should be a guy there for them in the 2nd. Cody Prewett at Ole Miss has good size and is a 2nd round type but the Bears never saw Ole Miss. They did see Stanford twice and they have Jordan Richards at strong safety projected as a 3rd or 4th rounder.

If he is anything like the last good WR to come out of Bama, I would take him. I witnessed enough 1st hand of Julio Jones Monday night.

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This needs to be a depth draft for the Bears. That is, their drafting strategy should be governed by the realization that they have no chance to win the Superbowl in the next three years. Consequently, they should trade as much front-line, high-salaried talent as possible (Cutler, Marshall, Forte, Bushrod, etc), trade out of the first round (unless they believe their quarterback of the future will be available to them in their draft slot) and accumulate as many picks as possible. They desperately need at least five picks in the top 100 for this draft.

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This needs to be a depth draft for the Bears. That is, their drafting strategy should be governed by the realization that they have no chance to win the Superbowl in the next three years. Consequently, they should trade as much front-line, high-salaried talent as possible (Cutler, Marshall, Forte, Bushrod, etc), trade out of the first round (unless they believe their quarterback of the future will be available to them in their draft slot) and accumulate as many picks as possible. They desperately need at least five picks in the top 100 for this draft.

But, do you trust the guy making those picks?

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This needs to be a depth draft for the Bears. That is, their drafting strategy should be governed by the realization that they have no chance to win the Superbowl in the next three years. Consequently, they should trade as much front-line, high-salaried talent as possible (Cutler, Marshall, Forte, Bushrod, etc), trade out of the first round (unless they believe their quarterback of the future will be available to them in their draft slot) and accumulate as many picks as possible. They desperately need at least five picks in the top 100 for this draft.

But, do you trust the guy making those picks?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I will have to see what the experts think but it appears to be an very strong WR draft
It is but WR's are kind of becoming like running backs. Easy to find ones that can put up big numbers. Emery even was able to do it!


I would say that WR are becoming more specialized. The Bears need a speed (unless Wilson shows something in the next three weeks)


Well, speaking of seeing Stanford twice, Ty Mongomery is a freak athlete at WR with good size. He's unrefined as a receiver and projected as a 2/3. But, he's a classic combine star that could launch his way to the end of the 1st.

I don't know if he'd do it but I've read articles speculating you could convert him to safety. Seems doubtful. But, even as a receiver, he could be intriguing to the Bears as a WR/KR.

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Tall Midget wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
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This needs to be a depth draft for the Bears. That is, their drafting strategy should be governed by the realization that they have no chance to win the Superbowl in the next three years. Consequently, they should trade as much front-line, high-salaried talent as possible (Cutler, Marshall, Forte, Bushrod, etc), trade out of the first round (unless they believe their quarterback of the future will be available to them in their draft slot) and accumulate as many picks as possible. They desperately need at least five picks in the top 100 for this draft.

But, do you trust the guy making those picks?


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I accidentally read Hawg's signature first. I thought you were being exceptionally edgy.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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This needs to be a depth draft for the Bears. That is, their drafting strategy should be governed by the realization that they have no chance to win the Superbowl in the next three years. Consequently, they should trade as much front-line, high-salaried talent as possible (Cutler, Marshall, Forte, Bushrod, etc), trade out of the first round (unless they believe their quarterback of the future will be available to them in their draft slot) and accumulate as many picks as possible. They desperately need at least five picks in the top 100 for this draft.

But, do you trust the guy making those picks?


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This needs to be a depth draft for the Bears. That is, their drafting strategy should be governed by the realization that they have no chance to win the Superbowl in the next three years. Consequently, they should trade as much front-line, high-salaried talent as possible (Cutler, Marshall, Forte, Bushrod, etc), trade out of the first round (unless they believe their quarterback of the future will be available to them in their draft slot) and accumulate as many picks as possible. They desperately need at least five picks in the top 100 for this draft.

But, do you trust the guy making those picks?


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Lombardi got a job with the Patriots after turning around the Browns--and being fired as thanks.

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Tall Midget wrote:
This needs to be a depth draft for the Bears. That is, their drafting strategy should be governed by the realization that they have no chance to win the Superbowl in the next three years. Consequently, they should trade as much front-line, high-salaried talent as possible (Cutler, Marshall, Forte, Bushrod, etc), trade out of the first round (unless they believe their quarterback of the future will be available to them in their draft slot) and accumulate as many picks as possible. They desperately need at least five picks in the top 100 for this draft.


Yup. As much as I like Forte, he is getting close to the age when RB's begin to slow down and get hurt. If the Bears can get something for him they should. I'm sure they would love to find someone who would want Cutler and Marshall.

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Football Czar- Jerry Dinardo

General Manager- Mike Lombardi

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The Raiders currently are in line to draft at #5. I really would like to see them get in a position to get more draft picks via a trade.

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The Raiders currently are in line to draft at #5. I really would like to see them get in a position to get more draft picks via a trade.

They would just trade them to the Niners for Harbaugh. :lol:

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Looks like the Bears are up to 7th which means after Winston, Mariota, and Cooper all go before them, they're in position to get a real dude on D.

However, seems like a big basket of guys all go between 6-15. Somebody like Shane Ray could be there for them and could be a beast but he's a 3-4 guy on the outside, really. Not sure if he fits.

So, even at 7, you're probably still looking at Beasley, Collins, Oakman, kind of guy. Doesn't seem like a huge difference in talent-level to be available at 7 versus down to about 12.

I still say Shaq Thompson is the guy they're looking at if Emery is still there.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Looks like the Bears are up to 7th which means after Winston, Mariota, and Cooper all go before them, they're in position to get a real dude on D.

However, seems like a big basket of guys all go between 6-15. Somebody like Shane Ray could be there for them and could be a beast but he's a 3-4 guy on the outside, really. Not sure if he fits.

So, even at 7, you're probably still looking at Beasley, Collins, Oakman, kind of guy. Doesn't seem like a huge difference in talent-level to be available at 7 versus down to about 12.

I still say Shaq Thompson is the guy they're looking at if Emery is still there.


Are Winston and Mariota really legitimate top-of-the-draft talents. From the little I've seen of them, I wouldn't take either one in the top 5.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Looks like the Bears are up to 7th which means after Winston, Mariota, and Cooper all go before them, they're in position to get a real dude on D.

However, seems like a big basket of guys all go between 6-15. Somebody like Shane Ray could be there for them and could be a beast but he's a 3-4 guy on the outside, really. Not sure if he fits.

So, even at 7, you're probably still looking at Beasley, Collins, Oakman, kind of guy. Doesn't seem like a huge difference in talent-level to be available at 7 versus down to about 12.

I still say Shaq Thompson is the guy they're looking at if Emery is still there.


Are Winston and Mariota really legitimate top-of-the-draft talents. From the little I've seen of them, I wouldn't take either one in the top 5.


Winston is. He's also a Brandon Marshall waiting to happen. All he does is win though. If you can find someone to help him mature you would have a franchise QB. He would have been the best QB in the draft last year.

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The 2014 BEARS will be far superior to 8-8

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Looks like the Bears are up to 7th which means after Winston, Mariota, and Cooper all go before them, they're in position to get a real dude on D.

However, seems like a big basket of guys all go between 6-15. Somebody like Shane Ray could be there for them and could be a beast but he's a 3-4 guy on the outside, really. Not sure if he fits.

So, even at 7, you're probably still looking at Beasley, Collins, Oakman, kind of guy. Doesn't seem like a huge difference in talent-level to be available at 7 versus down to about 12.

I still say Shaq Thompson is the guy they're looking at if Emery is still there.


Are Winston and Mariota really legitimate top-of-the-draft talents. From the little I've seen of them, I wouldn't take either one in the top 5.


Many scouts think that Mariota is the better NFL prospect & I agree. Winston is too high of a risk -vs- the reward. Way too many red flags with this guy.

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Are Winston and Mariota really legitimate top-of-the-draft talents. From the little I've seen of them, I wouldn't take either one in the top 5.


I'd say yes. Winston for sure would be top in any draft and before Mariota in this one except for all the off the field stuff. I still suspect he might sneak into the No.1 spot when somebody convinces themselves the off the field stuff is in the past.

Mariota could use the Aaron Rodgers treatment of sitting for a while but he won't get that luxury. He's got things to work on but the potential is high. In a decent draft, I don't know that he's at the very top like he seems to be here.

The bad thing is that these 2 guys are pretty much it. If you need a QB and you don't get one of these guys, see you next year because there isn't even really a guy in the 2nd or 3rd that you say "he's a sleeper". There's nobody. Hundley is probably next and he's an NFL train-wreck.

I've seen people speculate on the kid from Colorado State but I've never seen him.

You might see a guy like Dak Prescott come out just because it's so weak at QB. He could easily be over drafted. He's not ready and I'm not sold on him either.

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Getting the 6th or 7th pick puts you in position to make a trade up for Winston. That would be the only QB I would target.

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I could handle getting Winston.

On-the-field there isn't a bad report on anything. From teammates liking him, leadership, to all the skills, top grades. He does seem like something awful will happen to him outside the lines, though.

Still, I think I'd take that chance.

Also, you might not have to trade up. He's a possibility to be there at 7 depending on how all these issues settle in the predraft discussions.

TB, Tenn, and the Jets are the only teams ahead of them that would look QB. No way Lovie touches him. It would only take those 2 teams to sour or find their QB elsewhere. Could happen.

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The 2014 BEARS will be far superior to 8-8

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Yes, spmack. We (myself, Hank Scorpio, Nas, etc) have all posted a number of old quotes to show we were wrong. I was clearly duped and never thought this year's team would be this bad.

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Yes, spmack. We (myself, Hank Scorpio, Nas, etc) have all posted a number of old quotes to show we were wrong. I was clearly duped and never thought this year's team would be this bad.


I thought I was being somewhat objective. I was surprised and hurt.

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Looks like the Bears are up to 7th which means after Winston, Mariota, and Cooper all go before them, they're in position to get a real dude on D.

However, seems like a big basket of guys all go between 6-15. Somebody like Shane Ray could be there for them and could be a beast but he's a 3-4 guy on the outside, really. Not sure if he fits.

So, even at 7, you're probably still looking at Beasley, Collins, Oakman, kind of guy. Doesn't seem like a huge difference in talent-level to be available at 7 versus down to about 12.

I still say Shaq Thompson is the guy they're looking at if Emery is still there.

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Washington's Shaq Thompson was one of the players who received a lot of acclaim this season. The biggest reason for that was that the athletic linebacker took over duties as a running back for the Washington offense for a few weeks. With his contributions on offense and defense generating headlines, some draft pundits projected Thompson to go high in the first round. However, two teams we've spoken to say that they are grading Thompson as a day-two pick.

I've had Thompson listed as a day-two prospect because he hasn't had a season of big production. The 6-foot-1, 228-pound Thompson is fast and athletic, but he's never produced a big year. Entering his Bowl game against Oklahoma State, Thompson has 71 tackles, two tackles for a loss, one sack, four passes broken up, one interception and three forced fumbles. As a tailback, he averaged 7.5 yards per carry for 456 yards and two touchdowns.

Thompson is a Will (weak side) linebacker for a 4-3 defense, but isn't as good of a prospect as Lavonte David, who was a second-round pick. After asking a few teams, they felt that Thompson was worthy of a top-100 selection. One scouting director said, "I agree with you, not in Lavonte David category, but will get drafted in the second or third based on athletic ability. Shaq is a 4-3 Will linebacker." We followed up with a general manager of a team that could use Thompson, and is interested in him. He also felt that Thompson was a second- or third-rounder.

Thompson is weighing his options on whether to declare for the draft. It only takes one team to feel that Thompson is a first-rounder and pull the trigger on him on Thursday night, but scouts and personnel men from multiple teams have Thompson as a second-day pick.

Also they said your guy McKinney is low 1st/high 2nd. Use the pick from the Cutler exchange to trade up?


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On-the-field there isn't a bad report on anything. From teammates liking him, leadership, to all the skills, top grades. .


I don't believe this is true

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On-the-field there isn't a bad report on anything. From teammates liking him, leadership, to all the skills, top grades. .


I don't believe this is true


What have you heard?

Everything I've heard/seen lately says he could have led the Israelites through the Wilderness faster than Moses by half.

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