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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:24 pm 
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You're comparing Cutler to all time great QBs.


He is getting paid like one. His contract says he is an all time great, yet he isn't even average. /Thread.


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Question for the class, was Cutler just supposed to turn all of this money down that was offered to him by Emery and the Chicago Bears organization? It seems that is a big problem with all of this.

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If Cutler goes 2 TD, 1 INT, 180 yards, and a 77 rating on Sunday, some of you guys better be praising him like you were Claussen.

What? :lol:

You think the expectations are the same?


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If Cutler goes 2 TD, 1 INT, 180 yards, and a 77 rating on Sunday, some of you guys better be praising him like you were Claussen.


If those are Cutler's status next weekend, I'll say the same thing. Cutler has to go. The Bears are wasting time and valuable cap space on QB who will not win. that's not saying Clausen is great. All Clausen did was prove that he's more valuable at QB since he protected the football. Doesn't mean he's better...just means he's a better value.

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Question for the class, was Cutler just supposed to turn all of this money down that was offered to him by Emery and the Chicago Bears organization? It seems that is a big problem with all of this.

The signing is on Emery. The poor play is on Cutler.


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Question for the class, was Cutler just supposed to turn all of this money down that was offered to him by Emery and the Chicago Bears organization? It seems that is a big problem with all of this.
He should not have turned it down. It puts added pressure and expectations on him though. When you and your agent negotiate on the basis that you are a franchise quarterback who deserves to be paid more than Aaron Rodgers you put yourself in that situation and need to play as one.

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Question for the class, was Cutler just supposed to turn all of this money down that was offered to him by Emery and the Chicago Bears organization? It seems that is a big problem with all of this.

The signing is on Emery. The poor play is on Cutler.


#Truth. The poor play was there before the signing though. Emery should get more of the blame.

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If Cutler goes 2 TD, 1 INT, 180 yards, and a 77 rating on Sunday, some of you guys better be praising him like you were Claussen.



If he does that and writes a check returning about $33 million, I'll praise the shit out of the motherfucker.

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Question for the class, was Cutler just supposed to turn all of this money down that was offered to him by Emery and the Chicago Bears organization? It seems that is a big problem with all of this.
He should not have turned it down. It puts added pressure and expectations on him though. When you and your agent negotiate on the basis that you are a franchise quarterback who deserves to be paid more than Aaron Rodgers you put yourself in that situation and need to play as one.


The main fault obviously lies with Emery and/or Phillips (if he had any say), but as BRick said, Cutler put himself in the position of higher expectations. If I'm a nurse and apply for a brain surgeon's job, and some idiot gives it to me without doing the proper background checks, don't I still have some responsibility when the patient dies?

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If Cutler goes 2 TD, 1 INT, 180 yards, and a 77 rating on Sunday, some of you guys better be praising him like you were Claussen.

What? :lol:

You think the expectations are the same?
If Cutler moves the ball and the offense "looks better than it has it recent weeks", yes he should be praised.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
Question for the class, was Cutler just supposed to turn all of this money down that was offered to him by Emery and the Chicago Bears organization? It seems that is a big problem with all of this.
He should not have turned it down. It puts added pressure and expectations on him though. When you and your agent negotiate on the basis that you are a franchise quarterback who deserves to be paid more than Aaron Rodgers you put yourself in that situation and need to play as one.


The main fault obviously lies with Emery and/or Phillips (if he had any say), but as BRick said, Cutler put himself in the position of higher expectations. If I'm a nurse and apply for a brain surgeon's job, and some idiot gives it to me without doing the proper background checks, don't I still have some responsibility when the patient dies?

Well he is not the first nor will be the last to have a bad year after signing a large contract, hell JORR just posted he wants him to return money. :lol:

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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If Cutler goes 2 TD, 1 INT, 180 yards, and a 77 rating on Sunday, some of you guys better be praising him like you were Claussen.

What? :lol:

You think the expectations are the same?
If Cutler moves the ball and the offense "looks better than it has it recent weeks", yes he should be praised.

No, I dont think so. I think the expectations should be a little higher for the franchise highly paid QB.


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Fine.

220 yards and a 90 rating :lol:

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Well he is not the first nor will be the last to have a bad year after signing a large contract, hell JORR just posted he wants him to return money. :lol:
It's a little bit more for Cutler though. There is a massive amount of time and energy that has been invested in him. This is what is logically the age where he should be in his absolute prime. The Bears are going to have a very hard time rebuilding with his contract and they've made pretty much every move with the idea of fixing him.

Basically, he not only has the money, but everything about the Bears is built around making him succeed so when he isn't he gets a large portion of the blame.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Well he is not the first nor will be the last to have a bad year after signing a large contract, hell JORR just posted he wants him to return money. :lol:
It's a little bit more for Cutler though. There is a massive amount of time and energy that has been invested in him. This is what is logically the age where he should be in his absolute prime. The Bears are going to have a very hard time rebuilding with his contract and they've made pretty much every move with the idea of fixing him.

Basically, he not only has the money, but everything about the Bears is built around making him succeed so when he isn't he gets a large portion of the blame.

I don't see how he should get more than all in charge of evaluating him and deciding to pay him that amount.

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I don't see how he should get more than all in charge of evaluating him and deciding to pay him that amount.
Everything was done to make him successful and he failed.

If you are saying it was a mistake to try and build a team around him, well, that still puts a lot of blame on him.

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hell JORR just posted he wants him to return money. :lol:



I don't really want him to return money. But I also don't want morons comparing him to guys making $645,000 for a season.

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I don't see how he should get more than all in charge of evaluating him and deciding to pay him that amount.
Everything was done to make him successful and he failed.

If you are saying it was a mistake to try and build a team around him, well, that still puts a lot of blame on him.


Not completely true. He hasn't had a good coach. They did upgrade the talent on offense. I thought Turner was a good coach but their history probably didn't help their relationship.

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He hasn't had a good coach.



He's had many coaches. Many of them have been successful with good quarterbacks. It's hard to win with an utter turd at the most important position in sports.

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I don't really want him to return money. But I also don't want morons comparing him to guys making $645,000 for a season.
"losing quarterback" Jay Cutler

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I don't really want him to return money. But I also don't want morons comparing him to guys making $645,000 for a season.
"losing quarterback" Jay Cutler



Is there any doubt about that?

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Not completely true. He hasn't had a good coach. They did upgrade the talent on offense. I thought Turner was a good coach but their history probably didn't help their relationship.
The coach he has now was brought in to fix Cutler and Cutler even interviewed him prior to him being hired. They've fired pretty much everyone Cutler worked with.

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Not completely true. He hasn't had a good coach. They did upgrade the talent on offense. I thought Turner was a good coach but their history probably didn't help their relationship.
The coach he has now was brought in to fix Cutler and Cutler even interviewed him prior to him being hired. They've fired pretty much everyone Cutler worked with.


Do you think Trestman is a good coach?

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Believing in Cutler kills careers, yet GMs, coaches keep doing it. Why?
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With cigarettes superimposed in dozens of photographs, the Smokin’ Jay Cutler website that proclaims itself “dedicated to the most apathetic looking athlete in the history of sports” is one of the Internet’s great NFL parodies.
The reality surrounding Cutler, however, is far less funny for a franchise going up in flames.
Chicago head coach Marc Trestman’s decision to bench Cutler in favor of Jimmy Clausen for Sunday’s game against Detroit is the latest proof that Bears general manager Phil Emery made an Albert Haynesworth-sized contractual blunder when he signed the pending free-agent quarterback to a seven-year, $126 million contract (more than $50 million guaranteed) in January.
The final straw for a QB with a 7-15 record in his past 22 starts was Monday night’s 31-15 home loss to New Orleans. Cutler was 17 of 31 for 194 yards with two late touchdowns and three interceptions when the game was still within reach. But the issues go far beyond that.
The quarterback’s role is often described as being a field general. Whatever passes as leadership for Cutler screams surrender.
Before one third-quarter play against the Saints, cameras captured Cutler walking toward the Saints’ defense and barking, “Goddamn it!” before taking the snap. That doesn’t exactly generate confidence.
Cutler emasculated two wide receivers after errant passes by animatedly pointing in the direction of where he believed their routes should have taken them instead of approaching both on the sideline to avoid unnecessary and unprofessional embarrassment. Speaking of the sideline, Cutler was the anti-Tom Brady with his sullen demeanor rather than trying to provide players with an emotional lift following an unsuccessful series.


Cutler’s behavior is nothing new. “Inspirational” isn’t a word associated with Cutler since his college days of trying to lift a losing program at Vanderbilt. “Limp” is more apt. Should it be any surprise that left tackle Jermon Bushrod didn’t offer a hand to lift Cutler off the Soldier Field sod after getting beaten for one of seven Saints sacks?
In the NFL, Cutler has long let athletic ability speak on his behalf. And he has posted enough positive results to overshadow his lack of the intangibles possessed by the game’s great passers.
This helped fool Emery into thinking he had a franchise quarterback whom he couldn’t lose in free agency. Instead, Emery got this generation’s version of Jeff George.

Former Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns executive Joe Banner wrote this Wednesday night on his Twitter account:

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In retrospect, Cutler’s slide began after the Bears started the 2013 season with a 3-0 record. He threw three interceptions in a 40-32 loss to Detroit. Starting with that game, Cutler has committed 35 turnovers compared to his 41 touchdown passes in 22 starts. Cutler has a lengthy injury history as well. While sidelined for five games last season, backup Josh McCown was far more efficient with 11 touchdowns and just one interception.
Emery ignored all these warning signs entering contract negotiations with Cutler’s agent Bus Cook. Rather than slap Cutler with the franchise tag for the 2014 season as a wait-and-see safeguard, Emery was snookered into tendering a lucrative agreement that provided the Bears little wiggle room in the early years.
WASHINGTON, DC - SEPTEMBER 2: Quarterback Dan Marino #13 of the Miami Dolphins looks on during a game against the Washington Redskins at RFK Memorial Stadium on September 2, 1984 in Washington, D.C. The Dolphis won 35-17. (Photo by Scott Cunningham/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Dan Marino
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These guys were great, but never hoisted the Lombardi Trophy. Our all-time no-championship squad.
Although on paper it was a seven-year, $126.7-million extension, the devil is in the details of how it was structured. Rather than give him a traditional signing bonus that could be prorated for salary-cap purposes over the length of the deal, Cutler’s contract was designed to provide him base salaries in the first three years that are comparable to truly elite passers like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. The deal also left Chicago without enough cap space to re-sign McCown as a safeguard. He split for the chance to start in Tampa Bay.
Cutler’s $15.5-million base salary for 2015 is guaranteed — Chicago would have to count that figure in “dead money” against its salary cap if Cutler were released. Cutler’s 2016 salary of $16 million is guaranteed if he’s on the roster beyond March, which means the Bears must quickly make a decision about his future.
Any team that dealt for Cutler would have to assume his contract or reach agreement on a restructured deal like Oakland did when acquiring Matt Schaub from Houston during the 2014 offseason (and that worked out real well, didn’t it?). This dynamic gives Cutler leverage to dictate trade partners since he’s simply not worth the payday he received. If the Bears bite the bullet and cut him, Cutler can negotiate his own free-agent deal elsewhere and Chicago would receive nothing in return.
Ideally for the Bears, a suitor would emerge who is willing to give Cutler a shot running its offense. A trade would greatly alleviate the salary-cap hit compared to an outright release.
Never say never in a quarterback-starved league.
Tennessee would make the most sense provided head coach Ken Whisenhunt is on board and the Titans either don’t want or aren’t in position to select one of the two top QB prospects, Oregon’s Marcus Mariota and Florida State’s Jameis Winston, in April’s draft.
Tennessee would be hoping that the 31-year-old Cutler regains the mojo under Whisenhunt that helped him lead the Bears to the NFC championship game during the 2010 season. Whisenhunt already has worked magic helping to revive the NFL careers of Kurt Warner (Arizona) and Philip Rivers (San Diego).
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Cutler would receive a more positive fan reaction in Nashville than any other NFL city because of his Vanderbilt ties. He also would buy time for current Titans rookie Zach Mettenberger to better develop as Tennessee’s potential future starter.
Such a scenario is purely hypothetical. The quarterback outlook for Chicago is just as foggy.
We do know the short- and long-term solution isn’t on the current roster. If the Bears thought rookie David Fales was ready for game action, he would start the final two games rather than a retread like Clausen so Chicago (5-9) could get an evaluation in a lost season.

Cutler may be the biggest debacle in the Trestman/Emery era but it isn’t the only one. Chicago fielded a bad defense last season that has actually gotten worse under embattled coordinator Mel Tucker. Offensive coordinator Aaron Kromer recently damned himself by admitting he was the leak for an NFL Network report ripping Cutler. Kromer should have looked in the mirror first. His unit’s offensive line is a disaster once again, which has contributed to Cutler’s decline, and false starts are par for the course.
Head coach Lovie Smith and three different offensive coordinators (Mike Martz, Ron Turner and Mike Tice) were fired from their jobs after working with Cutler since he joined the Bears via trade from Denver in 2009. So was Jerry Angelo, the general manager who orchestrated that deal before getting replaced by Emery.
Trestman, Kromer, Emery and others associated with Cutler probably will be next. Look for them in the ashes left behind by a player who has proven hazardous to the professional health of those around him.


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No, but there isn't a coach that has been able to fix Cutler, and that includes anyone in Denver.

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No, but there isn't a coach that has been able to fix Cutler, and that includes anyone in Denver.


He looked pretty good in Denver and made a Pro Bowl but truthfully there is no fixing Cutler. Allow him to be who he is. Stop trying to fix the guy. Just improve what he's good at. Anything else requires Cutler to stop being who he is.

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No, but there isn't a coach that has been able to fix Cutler, and that includes anyone in Denver.


He looked pretty good in Denver and made a Pro Bowl but truthfully there is no fixing Cutler. Allow him to be who he is. Stop trying to fix the guy. Just improve what he's good at. Anything else requires Cutler to stop being who he is.
So good the coach was fired and the team traded Cutler! :lol:

But hey, at least he was the 7th best quarterback in his conference!

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But hey, at least he was the 7th best quarterback in his division!
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No, but there isn't a coach that has been able to fix Cutler, and that includes anyone in Denver.


He looked pretty good in Denver and made a Pro Bowl but truthfully there is no fixing Cutler. Allow him to be who he is. Stop trying to fix the guy. Just improve what he's good at. Anything else requires Cutler to stop being who he is.
So good the coach was fired and the team traded Cutler! :lol:

But hey, at least he was the 7th best quarterback in his conference!


They wanted to go in a different direction.

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