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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:15 pm 
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They wanted to go in a different direction.
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They wanted to go in a different direction.
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That's fine. I like the idea of having a shot at making the playoffs every year even if we don't. I don't want to be the Midwest Jaguars. This season wasn't fun to watch.

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That's fine. I like the idea of having a shot at making the playoffs every year even if we don't. I don't want to be the Midwest Jaguars. This season wasn't fun to watch.
We now back to the stat that the Grossman/Orton era had a much higher winning percentage than the Cutler era.

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Nas wrote:
That's fine. I like the idea of having a shot at making the playoffs every year even if we don't. I don't want to be the Midwest Jaguars. This season wasn't fun to watch.
We now back to the stat that the Grossman/Orton era had a much higher winning percentage than the Cutler era.


I'll take that era.

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Do you think Trestman is a good coach?
No, but there isn't a coach that has been able to fix Cutler, and that includes anyone in Denver.


He looked pretty good in Denver and made a Pro Bowl but truthfully there is no fixing Cutler. Allow him to be who he is. Stop trying to fix the guy. Just improve what he's good at. Anything else requires Cutler to stop being who he is.

This is the right mind set when it comes to Cutler. I think his time has run out in Chicago but if you are going to work with Cutler do not put him in a system that relies on timing and pin point accuracy. No matter how much he is getting paid he does not fit in a hard core West Coast offensive system. Its not playing to his strengths and its trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:06 am 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think his time has run out in Chicago but if you are going to work with Cutler do not put him in a system that relies on timing and pin point accuracy.
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I want to know what team doesn't want their quarterback to have timing or accuracy.

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Do you think Trestman is a good coach?
No, but there isn't a coach that has been able to fix Cutler, and that includes anyone in Denver.


He looked pretty good in Denver and made a Pro Bowl but truthfully there is no fixing Cutler. Allow him to be who he is. Stop trying to fix the guy. Just improve what he's good at. Anything else requires Cutler to stop being who he is.


So how would a coach go about doing that? Call more rollouts? More deep passes? Both of these areas represent Cutler's greatest strengths.

The problem, though, is that rollouts are not designed to hit a receiver in stride with his hips turned downfield. They are essentially plays run on third downs to gain a first down or at the goal line to score. While increasing the number of rollout plays will make Cutler more effective in limited situations, it will not have a transformative effect on the offense. Additionally, while increasing the number of deep passes Cutler throws will likely increase his yardage totals and the team's scoring, it will also yield a lower completion percentage and result in more turnovers. This combination will, in turn, reduce time-of-possession and increase opponent scoring. So by "allowing" Cutler to be who he is, any coach would essentially be forfeiting his ability to create a top-tier offense.

To maximize Cutler's ability, a coach would need to convince the QB to trust his receivers and throw to a spot rather than a man. Since Cutler is unwilling to play this way, however, he has artificially limited his potential, prevented himself from rising to the ranks of the elite NFL quarterbacks, and established himself as an uncoachable player.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:24 am 
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Do you think Trestman is a good coach?
No, but there isn't a coach that has been able to fix Cutler, and that includes anyone in Denver.


He looked pretty good in Denver and made a Pro Bowl but truthfully there is no fixing Cutler. Allow him to be who he is. Stop trying to fix the guy. Just improve what he's good at. Anything else requires Cutler to stop being who he is.


So how would a coach go about doing that? Call more rollouts? More deep passes? Both of these areas represent Cutler's greatest strengths.

The problem, though, is that rollouts are not designed to hit a receiver in stride with his hips turned downfield. They are essentially plays run on third downs to gain a first down or at the goal line to score. While increasing the number of rollout plays will make Cutler more effective in limited situations, it will not have a transformative effect on the offense. Additionally, while increasing the number of deep passes Cutler throws will likely increase his yardage totals and the team's scoring, it will also yield a lower completion percentage and result in more turnovers. This combination will, in turn, reduce time-of-possession and increase opponent scoring. So by "allowing" Cutler to be who he is, any coach would essentially be forfeiting his ability to create a top-tier offense.

To maximize Cutler's ability, a coach would need to convince the QB to trust his receivers and throw to a spot rather than a man. Since Cutler is unwilling to play this way, however, he has artificially limited his potential, prevented himself from rising to the ranks of the elite NFL quarterbacks, and established himself as an uncoachable player.


Everyone is coachable. It just takes the right voice. As an educator of adults I'm sure you are aware of this. In addition to some of the things you posted I wouldn't try to rein in his risk taking. I would allow him to play like Favre. Most of the time it doesn't appear that he is enjoying the game because he is being asked to be a game manager. The Falcons and the 49ers game are the only 2 that it really appeared that he was having fun for a while.

I personally feel the Martz era hurt his development. He threw to the spots just like the offense required and guys like Knox and Hester were not there. That first year in the Martz system he had a shit load of interceptions that were on the receivers. Even now Jeffery is clueless unless you tell him to run deep and Marshall occasionally decides he wants to change his route without telling the QB.

Ultimately it falls on Cutler to figure it out but he hasn't had a good offensive coach since he arrived in Chicago beyond the guy that didn't want to recruit him out of high school. Tice and Trestman are all time bad.

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Favre threw to a spot, not to a man.

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Tall Midget wrote:
Favre threw to a spot, not to a man.


Favre is an all time great too. By the number Cutler is slightly above average. Sometimes numbers aren't always truthful.

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Nas wrote:
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Favre threw to a spot, not to a man.


Favre is an all time great too. By the number Cutler is slightly above average. Sometimes numbers aren't always truthful.


I can't quite figure out what you're saying here.

Are you suggesting-- :lol: :lol: :lol: --that Cutler is an all-time great?

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Favre is an all time great too. By the number Cutler is slightly above average. Sometimes numbers aren't always truthful.


I can't quite figure out what you're saying here.

Are you suggesting-- :lol: :lol: :lol: --that Cutler is an all-time great?


Hell naw! I'm saying since Week 4 Cutler has only had 1 above average game IIRC but he season stats still have him in the top 10 of several categories based on what he did the first few weeks of the year (Numbers lie). Obviously Cutler didn't have the same coaches either. That Holmgren tree is all time great.

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