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good dolphin

Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:51 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

billypootons wrote:

so now hiring a consultant is an indictment... if george had said he would make the decision himself without a consultant he would have been blasted by all bears fans for not using a consultant/expert.

You have completely missed the point.

The implication of hiring a consultant is that you don't have the capacity in house. That is inexcusable for a family that created the NFL and is four generations into management of a $2 billion NFL enterprise.

He is flat out saying he doesn't know how to do his job. The word indictment is justified.

This is different discussion than whether it is wise to hire an Accorsi type. Of course that move is wise when you recognize you cannot perform the essential tasks of management.

I think the essential tasks of management is finding the right people to make a hire. And the Bears are using the same approach that Atlanta and the Jets are using to find new talent.

If you want to bring a new lawyer to your firm, do you seek out the advice and counsel of others?

I might if I was looking to expand into areas of practice in which I am not involved. If I was looking for someone in our area of expertise, I'd rely on myself as having equal of greater knowledge to others. Football is the Halas business.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:57 pm

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But it wasn't the McCaskeys business until after the old man died.

Hell, it wasn't run well by the old man for many of his final 20 years.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:00 pm

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I'm seeing a lot of overreaction here. Accorsi is likely being used for his contacts and sharing information from others for a few hundred thousand dollars. Obviously a GM/President will ultimately be chosen by the ownership. Getting more information is good.

I'd be more concerned if they were only relying on themselves.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:00 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

But it wasn't the McCaskeys business until after the old man died.

Hell, it wasn't run well by the old man for many of his final 20 years.

Come on, they are into their third generation of Mc Caskey management

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:03 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

But it wasn't the McCaskeys business until after the old man died.

Hell, it wasn't run well by the old man for many of his final 20 years.

Come on, they are into their third generation of Mc Caskey management

Michael and George are the same generation.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

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Seacrest wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

But it wasn't the McCaskeys business until after the old man died.

Hell, it wasn't run well by the old man for many of his final 20 years.

Come on, they are into their third generation of Mc Caskey management

Michael and George are the same generation.

Muggs/Ginny, Michael/George, the ginger

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Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:14 pm

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Who's the ginger?

Mugs never ran it, though. He died 4 or 5 years before his old man. He was gonna.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:29 pm

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Beardown wrote:

Who's the ginger?

Mugs never ran it, though. He died 4 or 5 years before his old man. He was gonna.

He's a Halas also.

Michael was installed almost right away. Virginia made it clear it wasn't what she wanted to do, or was capable of doing. They would have been much better prepared if the old man would have let them into the business before before he passed away.

I hope the next generation has at least one person they are grooming on the personnel side.

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I wonder how people would have treated George Halas's incompetent grandchildren if they carried his name instead of some lounge singer's. Long live primogeniture!

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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:57 am

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Beardown wrote:

Who's the ginger?

http://youtu.be/KiEUkYCuvuM

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"Lake Dawson" sounds like a hot girl's name.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

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Curious Hair wrote:

I wonder how people would have treated George Halas's incompetent grandchildren if they carried his name instead of some lounge singer's. Long live primogeniture!

There father was a lounge singer. So please tell us.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

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You disagree that the McCaskeys are perceived as Less Than partly because they came into their team through their mom rather than their dad?

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I havent been following this closely, but how are you looking at coaches before you hire the GM?

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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:12 pm

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Something to do with when the playoffs start. Once they do, you can't interview anymore.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:48 pm

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Don Tiny wrote:

Chris Ballard:
In his time with the Bears, Ballard helped Chicago draft Pro Bowlers Matt Forte, Johnny Knox, Charles Tillman, Tommie Harris, Nathan Vasher and Henry Melton. He was also directly involved in many notable acquisitions and trades, including the signings of Brandon Marshall, Michael Bush, Jermon Bushrod, Martellus Bennett, D.J. Williams and James Andersen.
http://media.kcchiefs.com/media/226956/chris_ballard.pdf

Mark Ross:
Since Ross came aboard, the Giants have found important contributors both early and late in the draft, where they have selected Terrell Thomas, Hakeem Nicks, Will Beatty, Jason Pierre-Paul, Linval Joseph, Prince Amukamara, Jacquian Williams, David Wilson, Rueben Randle and Justin Pugh, the 2013 first-round draft choice who started all 16 games in his rookie season.
http://www.giants.com/team/staff/marc-ross/b3f10aa5-b99b-4517-8abd-ea613a65d0de

I think the GM will be one of these 2 guys. I prefer Ross.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 3:54 pm

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Scorehead wrote:

Don Tiny wrote:

I think the GM will be one of these 2 guys. I prefer Ross.

If it is Ballard, then I think it points to 'buisness as usuall' and that isn't good.

Ross is ok, but I would prefer DeCosta or Vince Newsome from the Ravens -the Bears should flat out give DeCosta anything he wants to get him to take the job imo

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"Lake Dawson" sounds like a hot girl's name.

Stripper

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:47 pm

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Curious Hair wrote:

You disagree that the McCaskeys are perceived as Less Than partly because they came into their team through their mom rather than their dad?

Perceived as less than by whom?

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

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Ted Phillips has worked for the Bears for 30 years, and he has been the CEO and President for 15 years. You would think that he is networked and connected to enough people to know the right people and to be able to call a few guys who might want to work for him. It seems nearly impossible to be in his situation and acually need someone to help him hire a GM and head coach. Ted is doing something wrong.

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Just love how the media has to keep telling us how much the McCaskeys care about winning.

When the McCaskeys start considering a place to play outside of the smallest stadium in the league, on the worst field...then you can start telling me how much they care.

Oh, I forgot, beating the Packers would be OK.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

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Scorehead wrote:

he is much more networked now than he was 3 years ago...as he stated in the press conference.

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:06 am

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Scorehead wrote:

Like the other teams searching for a coach.

Btw, are at 50% success rate for people that you hire?

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Post subject: Re: Hiring Accorsi Is An Indictment of Mc Caskey

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Seacrest wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

Like the other teams searching for a coach.

Btw, are at 50% success rate for people that you hire?

I dont view the Jets and Falcons as model NFL organizations that I want to emulate.

What is this 50% success rate that you speak of?

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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:41 am

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Scorehead wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

Like the other teams searching for a coach.

Btw, are at 50% success rate for people that you hire?

I dont view the Jets and Falcons as model NFL organizations that I want to emulate.

What is this 50% success rate that you speak of?

Ted's first GM took them to a Super Bowl.

And the Falcons are considered to be a model organization by others in the league.

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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:15 am

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Right, Accorsi is better than Ted or George.

But the problem is that Ted and George will still hire the next Bears GM.

Yet, by hiring Accorsi, they have implicitly admitted that they are unqualified to make such a decision.

So the best we can hope for is that all three or four of the candidates Accorsi identifies as finalists (in collaboration with George and Ted--a scary proposition) are stellar.

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Tall Midget wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Hiring Accorsi is saying "We don't know football" as basically GD wrote as the title of ths thread and Dan Weiderer has written.

And that Ted Phillips 50% theory seems solid.

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Seacrest wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

Scorehead wrote:

Like the other teams searching for a coach.
Btw, are at 50% success rate for people that you hire?

I dont view the Jets and Falcons as model NFL organizations that I want to emulate.
What is this 50% success rate that you speak of?

Ted's first GM took them to a Super Bowl.

And the Falcons are considered to be a model organization by others in the league.

Stop yourself. Jerry Angelo was fucking horrible.
As for model NFL organizations, I would consider the Patriots and Packers as model orgs...you know, teams that have actually won something. You are looking for sustained and consistent success, not a flash in the pan occassionally.
Fhe fucking Falcons? Really?

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The Falcons played their 1st season in 1966. They hadn't had back-to-back winning seasons until 2008 then 2009. Pretty crazy.

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