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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I could handle getting Winston.

On-the-field there isn't a bad report on anything. From teammates liking him, leadership, to all the skills, top grades. He does seem like something awful will happen to him outside the lines, though.

Still, I think I'd take that chance.

Also, you might not have to trade up. He's a possibility to be there at 7 depending on how all these issues settle in the predraft discussions.

TB, Tenn, and the Jets are the only teams ahead of them that would look QB. No way Lovie touches him. It would only take those 2 teams to sour or find their QB elsewhere. Could happen.


You'd take Winston #1? If I were running a team, I wouldn't even include him on my draft board. No way I'm building my team around a guy with a serious character problem.

If the Bears don't see their QB of the future in this draft, they should do everything in their power to trade out of the first round and acquire as many top 100 draft picks as possible.

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Tall Midget wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I could handle getting Winston.

On-the-field there isn't a bad report on anything. From teammates liking him, leadership, to all the skills, top grades. He does seem like something awful will happen to him outside the lines, though.

Still, I think I'd take that chance.

Also, you might not have to trade up. He's a possibility to be there at 7 depending on how all these issues settle in the predraft discussions.

TB, Tenn, and the Jets are the only teams ahead of them that would look QB. No way Lovie touches him. It would only take those 2 teams to sour or find their QB elsewhere. Could happen.


You'd take Winston #1? If I were running a team, I wouldn't even include him on my draft board. No way I'm building my team around a guy with a serious character problem.

If the Bears don't see their QB of the future in this draft, they should do everything in their power to trade out of the first round and acquire as many top 100 draft picks as possible.


In general I would agree but this is the NFL. He could mature and what he does on the field is superior to every other QB in the draft.

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I wouldn't trade up to take him #1.

But, I do think there's an outside chance he could still be there at #7 in which case I would take him. He provides far more upside with that pick than anybody I see right now that would likely be available for them at #7.

I reserve the right to change my opinion on this as we get closer to the draft.

Ultimately, I do think someone takes him before #7 though unless more issues arise.

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Nas wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I could handle getting Winston.

On-the-field there isn't a bad report on anything. From teammates liking him, leadership, to all the skills, top grades. He does seem like something awful will happen to him outside the lines, though.

Still, I think I'd take that chance.

Also, you might not have to trade up. He's a possibility to be there at 7 depending on how all these issues settle in the predraft discussions.

TB, Tenn, and the Jets are the only teams ahead of them that would look QB. No way Lovie touches him. It would only take those 2 teams to sour or find their QB elsewhere. Could happen.


You'd take Winston #1? If I were running a team, I wouldn't even include him on my draft board. No way I'm building my team around a guy with a serious character problem.

If the Bears don't see their QB of the future in this draft, they should do everything in their power to trade out of the first round and acquire as many top 100 draft picks as possible.


In general I would agree but this is the NFL. He could mature and what he does on the field is superior to every other QB in the draft.


I think character is more important at QB than it is at other positions. That's why I'd steer clear of Winston no matter what. FWIW, I also don't think rape is a maturity issue. I am familiar with several college students who have committed rape--and in none of those cases was their problem a lack of maturity.

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Losing in the playoffs would help him slide in the draft.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tall Midget wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I could handle getting Winston.

On-the-field there isn't a bad report on anything. From teammates liking him, leadership, to all the skills, top grades. He does seem like something awful will happen to him outside the lines, though.

Still, I think I'd take that chance.

Also, you might not have to trade up. He's a possibility to be there at 7 depending on how all these issues settle in the predraft discussions.

TB, Tenn, and the Jets are the only teams ahead of them that would look QB. No way Lovie touches him. It would only take those 2 teams to sour or find their QB elsewhere. Could happen.


You'd take Winston #1? If I were running a team, I wouldn't even include him on my draft board. No way I'm building my team around a guy with a serious character problem.

If the Bears don't see their QB of the future in this draft, they should do everything in their power to trade out of the first round and acquire as many top 100 draft picks as possible.


In general I would agree but this is the NFL. He could mature and what he does on the field is superior to every other QB in the draft.


I think character is more important at QB than it is at other positions. That's why I'd steer clear of Winston no matter what. FWIW, I also don't think rape is a maturity issue. I am familiar with several college students who have committed rape--and in none of those cases was their problem a lack of maturity.

I agree with Midget ( :x ), there is no way in hell I would draft him. I like Mariotta, but I am not totatlly sold on him either. But part of that is my fault as I just haven't watched him play a lot.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I could handle getting Winston.

On-the-field there isn't a bad report on anything. From teammates liking him, leadership, to all the skills, top grades. He does seem like something awful will happen to him outside the lines, though.

Still, I think I'd take that chance.

Also, you might not have to trade up. He's a possibility to be there at 7 depending on how all these issues settle in the predraft discussions.

TB, Tenn, and the Jets are the only teams ahead of them that would look QB. No way Lovie touches him. It would only take those 2 teams to sour or find their QB elsewhere. Could happen.


You'd take Winston #1? If I were running a team, I wouldn't even include him on my draft board. No way I'm building my team around a guy with a serious character problem.

If the Bears don't see their QB of the future in this draft, they should do everything in their power to trade out of the first round and acquire as many top 100 draft picks as possible.


In general I would agree but this is the NFL. He could mature and what he does on the field is superior to every other QB in the draft.


I think character is more important at QB than it is at other positions. That's why I'd steer clear of Winston no matter what. FWIW, I also don't think rape is a maturity issue. I am familiar with several college students who have committed rape--and in none of those cases was their problem a lack of maturity.


I agree with you on the rape issue and the character issues. Talent wise he's a hard guy to pass on though. IIRC he hasn't lost a game in like 6 or 7 years and players and coaches love him. Players with that talent and leadership don't grow on trees.

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I agree with Midget ( :x ), there is no way in hell I would draft him. I like Mariotta, but I am not totatlly sold on him either. But part of that is my fault as I just haven't watched him play a lot.

I hear the Brewers have him #1 on their draft board.


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Would it be better for the Bears to trade down in the draft. The whole roster is a pile of shit.


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Would it be better for the Bears to trade down in the draft. The whole roster is a pile of shit.


I don't think so. There a few solid D players that could be elite where they will be picking. They need a stud to anchor that D.

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Are there any linebackers worthy of being selected that high?

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Are there any linebackers worthy of being selected that high?


I really like McKinney. Beasley will probably go that high but I'd pass on him I think.

McKinney at 7 seems high too but he will likely be a combine stud whose stock rises.

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Oakman has somewhat inexplicably decided to remain in school. He would probably have been a top 12 pick but I guess he wants to be a top 5 guy next year.

Every mock draft I've seen this morning has them taking Collins at #7.

They'd probably be better off trading down from this #7 pick if they can get anybody to bite.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Oakman has somewhat inexplicably decided to remain in school. He would probably have been a top 12 pick but I guess he wants to be a top 5 guy next year.

Every mock draft I've seen this morning has them taking Collins at #7.

They'd probably be better off trading down from this #7 pick if they can get anybody to bite.


Someone will want Winston if the Bears don't. Should easily be able to trade down.


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It's possible but I don't think it's likely that Winston drops out of the top 5.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Oakman has somewhat inexplicably decided to remain in school. He would probably have been a top 12 pick but I guess he wants to be a top 5 guy next year.

Every mock draft I've seen this morning has them taking Collins at #7.

They'd probably be better off trading down from this #7 pick if they can get anybody to bite.


Someone will want Winston if the Bears don't. Should easily be able to trade down.

Ignoring the off the field behavior. Winston has 24 TDs and 17 INTs. I need my guy to be accurate and careful with the ball.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Oakman has somewhat inexplicably decided to remain in school. He would probably have been a top 12 pick but I guess he wants to be a top 5 guy next year.

Every mock draft I've seen this morning has them taking Collins at #7.

They'd probably be better off trading down from this #7 pick if they can get anybody to bite.


Someone will want Winston if the Bears don't. Should easily be able to trade down.

Ignoring the off the field behavior. Winston has 24 TDs and 17 INTs. I need my guy to be accurate and careful with the ball.


Those 17 int's were mostly due to his point shaving.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

They'd probably be better off trading down from this #7 pick if they can get anybody to bite.


As I have been saying, I think this is likely the wisest draft strategy in 2015, assuming it can be executed.

The Bears have needs across the field and should thus accumulate as many top 100 picks as possible. By following this plan--which also involves trading or cutting veterans such as Allen, Bushrod, Forte, Long, Marshall and Cutler--the Bears will almost certainly have a top 3 pick in 2016.

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If Braxton Miller were to decide to go to the draft, is he much of a prospect?

I envision him pulling a Russell Wilson next season and transferring to FSU or something, but he could declare instead.


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Tall Midget wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

They'd probably be better off trading down from this #7 pick if they can get anybody to bite.


As I have been saying, I think this is likely the wisest draft strategy in 2015, assuming it can be executed.

The Bears have needs across the field and should thus accumulate as many top 100 picks as possible. By following this plan--which also involves trading or cutting veterans such as Allen, Bushrod, Forte, Long, Marshall and Cutler--the Bears will almost certainly have a top 3 pick in 2016.


Are you sure that you want to cut a guy that has been named to 2 Pro Bowls in his first two years?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

They'd probably be better off trading down from this #7 pick if they can get anybody to bite.


As I have been saying, I think this is likely the wisest draft strategy in 2015, assuming it can be executed.

The Bears have needs across the field and should thus accumulate as many top 100 picks as possible. By following this plan--which also involves trading or cutting veterans such as Allen, Bushrod, Forte, Long, Marshall and Cutler--the Bears will almost certainly have a top 3 pick in 2016.


Are you sure that you want to cut a guy that has been named to 2 Pro Bowls in his first two years?


Trade or cut. I'm going to guess he would be on the "trade" list.


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If Braxton Miller were to decide to go to the draft, is he much of a prospect?

I envision him pulling a Russell Wilson next season and transferring to FSU or something, but he could declare instead.


He's not a QB prospect. He'd probably be better off switching to RB next year and going that route - take his chances in the 2016 draft.

Somebody would probably draft him this year but I don't think it would be to play QB.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

They'd probably be better off trading down from this #7 pick if they can get anybody to bite.


As I have been saying, I think this is likely the wisest draft strategy in 2015, assuming it can be executed.

The Bears have needs across the field and should thus accumulate as many top 100 picks as possible. By following this plan--which also involves trading or cutting veterans such as Allen, Bushrod, Forte, Long, Marshall and Cutler--the Bears will almost certainly have a top 3 pick in 2016.


Are you sure that you want to cut a guy that has been named to 2 Pro Bowls in his first two years?


Trade or cut. I'm going to guess he would be on the "trade" list.


Why?

Two more years on a rookie contract with an easily absorbed cap number and a two time all pro. Cutting him makes no football or economic sense whatsoever.

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1. Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon 6'4" 215
2. Leonard Williams, DT, USC 6'5" 298
3. Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama 6'1" 202
4. Jameis Winston, QB, FSU 6'4" 232
5. Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska 6'6" 245
6. Shane Ray, DE, Missouri 6'3" 245
7. Landon Collins, SS, Alabama 6'0" 215
8. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa 6'5" 320
9. Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington 6'2" 231
10. DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville 6'3" 209
11. Alvin Dupree, DE, Kentucky 6'4" 267
12. Kevin White, WR, West Virginia 6'3" 209
13. Dante Fowler, DE, Florida 6'2" 261
14. La'el Collins, OT, LSU 6'5" 321
15. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame 6'5" 315
16. Vic Beasley, OLB, Clemson 6'2" 235
17. Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia 6'1" 232
18. Marcus Peters, CB, Washington 6'0" 198
19. Gerod Holliman, FS, Louisville 6'2" 213
20. Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M 6'5" 300
21. Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State 6'4" 249
22. Devin Funchess, WR, Michigan 6'5" 230
23. Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State 6'1" 183
24. Malcom Brown, DT, Texas 6'4" 320
25. Danny Shelton, DT, Washington 6'2" 332
26. Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford 6'7" 312
27. Jalen Collins, CB, LSU 6'2" 194
28. Eli Harold, DE, Virginia 6'4" 250
29. Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State 6'4" 212
30. Sammie Coates, WR, Auburn 6'2" 201
31. Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana 6'0" 210
32. Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest 6'0" 175
33. Michael Bennett, DT, Ohio State 6'2" 288
34. Duke Johnson, RB, Miami (Fla.) 5'9" 206
35. Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota 6'4" 254
36. Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State 6'3" 320
37. Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA 6'0" 230
38. Jordan Phillips, DT, Oklahoma 6'6" 334
39. Hau'oli Kikaha, DE, Washington 6'3" 250
40. Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami (Fla.) 6'5" 324
41. T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pitt 6'5" 305
42. Ty Sambrailo, OT, Colorado State 6'5" 315
43. Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami (Fla.) 5'11" 242
44. Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin 6'1" 207
45. Alex Carter, CB, Stanford 6'0" 202
46. Nate Orchard, DE, Utah 6'4" 255
47. DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon 6'7" 290
48. Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska 5'9" 195
49. Nelson Agholor, WR, USC 6'1" 190
50. Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA 6'3'' 227

Matt Miller's Top 50.

Dr. Ken's guess of Shaq is right where the Bears are sitting. If Ballard is the guy I still think he may be the guy since he comes from the Angelo/Emery school of athletes.


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Really like Dante Fowler but I'm not sure he is a fit here

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I still think McKinney is going to have a massive combine that pushes him up to the top 12 but, if you can trade down to the early 20s and draft him, I would do that in a hurry.

He might be crappy against the pass but he's a beast against the run.

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I'd make whoever of Perryman or Kendricks is available as my 2nd round pick. They lack elite athleticism but they're instinctual tackling machines. As we saw with Borland these guys can step right in and give you solid production for next 5-7 years.


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5th round - Darren Waller, WR, Georgia Tech, 6'6" / 245

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What about Petty in the 2nd round?

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