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Didn't get to see it live. Just saw it on replay on Youtube after listening to the game on the radio. Totally fucked up that the refs reversed the call. He took two steps with the ball. How is it not a catch? Then he went to the ground and it came loose. But the ground can't cause a fumble, though it wasn't a fumble anyway because he kept possession. Don't see how they could overturn such a crucial play.

That's why I stopped betting about 3/4 into the season when there was too much weird shit happening with upsets. The refs took this game away from Dallas with a horse-shit overturn. I would be furious if I were a Dallas fan, let alone Jerry Jones. They got robbed.

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Learn the rules.

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Dean Blandino (FL’s VP of officiating) elaborates:

“The process of the catch is a three-part process — control, two feet down and then have the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game,” Blandino said. “If you can perform all three parts, in that order, you have a catch. If not, and you’re going to the ground, you must control the ball before you hit the ground.”

Odd rule? Perhaps. Ref mistake? Quite the opposite.

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Really he didn't lose control of it until he rolled over.

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Per rule, correct call. Per common fucking sense and eye test, brutal and needs to be changed.

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Learn the rules.

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Dean Blandino (FL’s VP of officiating) elaborates:

“The process of the catch is a three-part process — control, two feet down and then have the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game,” Blandino said. “If you can perform all three parts, in that order, you have a catch. If not, and you’re going to the ground, you must control the ball before you hit the ground.”

Odd rule? Perhaps. Ref mistake? Quite the opposite.


I respectfully disagree.

After he took two steps, he was no longer in the act of catching the ball. Bryant definitely met the first two criteria you cited in the rule. As for the third, "then have the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game", he did this as well. In fact, he had the presence of mind to extend his arm to try for the touchdown.

Blown call, if not a corrupt overturn. If anything, it should have been Dallas ball 1st and goal from the 1/2 yard line.

It's one thing to blow the call on the field, but the standard should be much higher on the review to overturn such a crucial play. It's unconscionable that they did in face of the evidence against the overturn.


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Good call, bad rule. Hope they change it like they did the tuck rule.

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I understand that the ball touched the ground and that it moved, but he never lost possession of it nor did he trap it. I saw the explanation, but it still seems crazy to me.

I think they've taken something that should be relatively easy to determine, hyperanalyzed it, and and confounded the whole damn thing (I was going to say the whole "process" but I'm sick of that word).

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No one knows what the "process" is. The process of catching a football in mid air, trying to score a touchdown, and brace your fall is not as clear cut as the process for cooking rice.

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It was a catch. Horrible call.

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It was a catch. Horrible call.

Not as bad a call as Skol vodka and liptons tea. Woah. I feel so poopy.

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I thought it was a catch. Glad a "Fail Mary" type break was given.

I was eager to see Jerry and/or Christie's faces after the call. I believe Christie's office must've given Roger a call and told him to tell FOX fuck off.


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I thought there was enough reaching towards the end zone to point towards a football move. Had he not stretched out, he's probably able to control the catch.

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Really he didn't lose control of it until he rolled over.


And made a football play of stretching out to get the TD.

It was a terrible call, especially to be reversed that way.

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badrogue17 wrote:
Per rule, correct call. Per common fucking sense and eye test, brutal and needs to be changed.


It's debatable if it's the correct call per the rule. The rule only applies if he doesn't make a football move. 3 steps, ball changing hands and a stretch is a football move, IMO. Which means it would be a bad call.


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Bucky Chris wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Per rule, correct call. Per common fucking sense and eye test, brutal and needs to be changed.


It's debatable if it's the correct call per the rule. The rule only applies if he doesn't make a football move. 3 steps, ball changing hands and a stretch is a football move, IMO. Which means it would be a bad call.


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I was in the opposite endzone seats. It was clearly a correct reversal from my view!!!

I honestly thought it was a catch and I figured it was a makeup call for Dallas getting that series of awful calls in their favor last week. The explanation that I heard on the radio on the way home made sense. Its a bad rule now and it was a bad rule when Calvin Johnson got screwed by it. They discussed it that off season and chose to keep it in place so it makes sense to some people.

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I think they could have just come out and said catch is good and if Eddie Guns was there he would have said

"The player caught the ball, made 3 steps, displayed control of the ball, then outstretched in a football move and the ground caused the fumble.. 1st and Goal, Dallas"

The issue if the refs not differentiating between the player going to the ground and making a football play, which is sad because there does need to be included in the thought process that it is obvious the player is trying to make a play. If no play was attempting to be made, 88 goes to the ground on the 2 -3 yard line with a catch, unless of course, he hits the ground and the ball comes out from that event.

Its not that I dont see how they came to the call, just think that the call especially at that moment was terrible.

Either way, just get rid of the damn rule. Player catches the ball and goes to the ground, catch/TD os good, no matter what the fuck happens because of the ground. Sick of these debates on whether or not the ball wiggled....COME ON MAN!

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Horseshit call and the reason why the NFL is tempting fate.

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I think they could have just come out and said catch is good and if Eddie Guns was there he would have said

"The player caught the ball, made 3 steps, displayed control of the ball, then outstretched in a football move and the ground caused the fumble.. 1st and Goal, Dallas"

The issue if the refs not differentiating between the player going to the ground and making a football play, which is sad because there does need to be included in the thought process that it is obvious the player is trying to make a play. If no play was attempting to be made, 88 goes to the ground on the 2 -3 yard line with a catch, unless of course, he hits the ground and the ball comes out from that event.

Its not that I dont see how they came to the call, just think that the call especially at that moment was terrible.

Either way, just get rid of the damn rule. Player catches the ball and goes to the ground, catch/TD os good, no matter what the fuck happens because of the ground. Sick of these debates on whether or not the ball wiggled....COME ON MAN!


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Yes, that is another one, Chris. Even with as bad as the Broncos were playing, it was just a terrible call that could have determined the outcome of the game

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Really he didn't lose control of it until he rolled over.
And made a football play of stretching out to get the TD.
That is the part that really bothers me. Any of the phrasing you want to use-- football move, act common to game, blah blah blah-- would be complete with reaching out towards the goal line to try and score. He makes that catch on the 3 yard line and its likely not even challeneged/reviewed. Call on the field was a completed catch, and there was nothing in any replay shown to indicate otherwise.

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Didn't get to see it live. Just saw it on replay on Youtube after listening to the game on the radio. Totally fucked up that the refs reversed the call. He took two steps with the ball. How is it not a catch? Then he went to the ground and it came loose. But the ground can't cause a fumble, though it wasn't a fumble anyway because he kept possession. Don't see how they could overturn such a crucial play.

That's why I stopped betting about 3/4 into the season when there was too much weird shit happening with upsets. The refs took this game away from Dallas with a horse-shit overturn. I would be furious if I were a Dallas fan, let alone Jerry Jones. They got robbed.

Fuck the NFL, bunch of cheats trying to fix games.

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wow, Bears fans calling this a horseshit call? amazing! totally unbiased.

as furious said, right call. bad rule. there's a difference.


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wow, Bears fans calling this a horseshit call? amazing! totally unbiased.

as furious said, right call. bad rule. there's a difference.


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Learn the rules.

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

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Odd rule? Perhaps. Ref mistake? Quite the opposite.


I respectfully disagree.

After he took two steps, he was no longer in the act of catching the ball. Bryant definitely met the first two criteria you cited in the rule. As for the third, "then have the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game", he did this as well. In fact, he had the presence of mind to extend his arm to try for the touchdown.

Blown call, if not a corrupt overturn. If anything, it should have been Dallas ball 1st and goal from the 1/2 yard line.

It's one thing to blow the call on the field, but the standard should be much higher on the review to overturn such a crucial play. It's unconscionable that they did in face of the evidence against the overturn.


he took two steps but was falling. so he was required to hold onto the ball throughout the play and he didnt.

id like to see the rules more cut and dry though. if the ball touches the ground its not a catch. period.

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You can clearly see him trying to stretch the ball to the goal line. They don't believe he stretched it far enough after taking 3 steps.

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if he took 2 or 3 steps and looked like he leaped towards the line it would be a catch.

but he took 2 or 3 steps as he was falling to the ground, so it was incomplete.

the rule is weird, the call was right.

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if he took 2 or 3 steps and looked like he leaped towards the line it would be a catch.

but he took 2 or 3 steps as he was falling to the ground, so it was incomplete.

the rule is weird, the call was right.


He reached the ball towards the goal line. That's a football move. Beyond that he was always in control of the ball.

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