That Panthers team was young and very talented. He had perfect timing.

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If people were pissed about Lovie being a bumslayer...

Nobody should care about them playing the Patriots unless its the playoffs. The Division record is what matters most.

Goober himself could be considered a bumslayer. Nine times he has been 1-and-done in the playoffs. Most by far in the Super Bowl era. There could be a good argument made that if Lovie doesn't abandon the run and Rex hold onto the football, Peyton doesn't even get the one ring he has.

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That's not an argument. They were young and talented? What super bowl team isn't talented? He got a team Quarterbacked by Jake Delhomme to the super bowl and lost to a dynasty and one of the best QB's ever and you act like it was nothing at all.

nobody in denver is upset fox left.

this is like tampa being excited to get lovie.

now we are tampa. we hired a guy that had success but will come here and be shit. and we are excited about it.

way to go bears.

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Delhomme wasn't a terrible QB. I don't give him credit for turning that team around. I believe any competent coach would have been successful. That draft they had the year he arrived was a home run. Everything was in place.

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The year they went to the Super Bowl Delhomme had 19 touch downs and 16 interceptions and a completion percentage under 60 percent and he had no previous success as an NFL starting QB before that year. Everything wasn't in place. They had an inexperienced and limited QB yet they were able to make it to the Super Bowl.

They had great defensive talent and great talent at WR. Their RB was really good and their QB was competent. That's good enough to win with in any era. Belichick has been successful despite not having most of that the last 4 or 5 seasons.

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Yep. They were so talented that over 2/3 of their starters in 2001 were gone by that Super Bowl year.

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Really? You're struggling here. The overwhelming majority of all the elite players were already on the roster. This is a fact.

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They had a sub par, unproven QB, Steve Smith had never cracked 1,000 yards before that season so he was unproven as well and Muhammad was a good possession receiver who had one enormous year in his career (2004, the year after the super bowl). Fox seems to get the most out of his players' talent. Muhammad had by far his biggest season under Fox, Steve Smith realized his potential with Fox as head coach and he got every ounce of ability out of Delhomme.

I still like the hire. Bears get a real NFL football coach and a GM that will hopefully be able to work well in sync together.

Fox didn't always have the most talented teams in Carolina and still managed to put together some good seasons. Not sure what his input was on drafting and so on in Carolina, but if Pace can hand him some real NFL football players, I'm confident that Fox can coach them up and win with them.

Those coordinators in Seattle are nobody's without Pete Carrol, and I'm willing to bet they aren't NFL HC's for long after leaving Petey's nest.

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Fox is a defensive coach. That's like giving Lovie credit for the success Forte has had. This Bears defense doesn't have any talent. Fox isn't a rebuild type of coach.

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This AM on M&H his old GM said Fox can take a bad defense and turn it around in a year. I'd like to see that.

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Those Panthers teams were talented and had great defenses. This is a rebuild and I don't think Fox is a rebuild coach. Our defense is beyond awful

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If he can do that with this Bears defense he should be put in the HoF immediately.

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He's the head coach, not the DC. Even though he may specialize more on the defensive side of the ball he can't have a positive impact on offense? He clearly did. He's responsible for the entire roster and many players on both sides of the ball realized their full potential while under John Fox.

I always looked at many of those 'talented' players in Carolina as being good fits for the scheme more so than top tier talent. Sure there were a handful of guys that could play on any team and look good like Steve Smith, but those Carolina teams were not as stacked as you're trying to make them out to be Nas.


Also, he rebuilt in Carolina like others have said.

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You're really reaching IMO. If you like Fox that's fine but he didn't make the Broncos offense or the Panthers offense better.

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The list of a few 2003 Panthers who were picked during the pre-2003 Capers/Seifert era include: Steve Smith, Muhsin Muhammad, Dan Morgan, Mike Rucker, Deon Grant, Kris Jenkins, and Mike Minter.

He inherited the 2nd overall pick to take Peppers in 2002.
Which new players developed after 2003?

John Fox was lucky in all his 13 NFL seasons.
Lovie Smith was unlucky in all his 10 NFL seasons.

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He also followed a 12-4 season with an 8-8 & then a 2-14. How many "good" coaches have a 2-14 season on their resume?

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Another MacGinnis-like fiasco would be glorious.

Maybe Phillips and Pace found out Fox doesn't want Cutler.

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Yes. Its not like he's taking over the 2001 Bucs. The defense and ST talent is awful.

The roster is over 2/3 different. There were a couple of "elite" players there, but nowhere near the 'overwhelming majority.
With how much Bears kool-aid you drink, maybe its a good thing you don't like this hire Nas.

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wonder if lawers are involved in the contract. Bearss, burned by McGinnis fiasco, not saying boo til ink is dry.

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I'm not saying Fox is a terrible coach. I just think he's an average coach. IMO he would have been a good fit to replace Lovie. He would have had the respect of the locker room and would have gotten whatever was left out of that team. They definitely would have made the playoffs in 2013 if he was the coach.

Here are a few of the players he inherited in Carolina:

Julius Peppers
DeShaun Foster
Will Witherspoon
Dante Wesley
Kris Jenkins
John Kasay
Dan Morgan
Muhsin Muhammad
Mike Rucker
Steve Smith
Deon Grant
Jordan Gross

That's a pretty good core to start with IMO.

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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. John Fox inherited the team in 2002 and the overwhelming majority of the elite players (if not all) they had in the Super Bowl were already on the roster. That was a great draft they had in 2002. They hit on their first 4 picks.

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