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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:56 pm 
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So it is basically Alex Gordon vs. Carson Sands, Dylan Cease, and Kyle Schwarber?


Close but Alex Gordon plays for the Royals and Alex Jackson who was actually drafted 6th behind #5 Nick Gordon ...Dee's brother and Flash Gordons son.

Nola was a great pick by the Phillies at 7 and he may make it to The Show before any one.
Alex Jackson was fourth on the list you decided was useful enough to post about.

Should be interesting to follow going forward.

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If the Cubs had drafted Jackson, would he be part of the future core of multiple World Series champions instead of the bum he is while playing for a loser in Seattle?

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Richard has em on the run again

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Richard has em on the run again


Yes the confused sea lawyer is some one we should run away from....

Alex Gordon...no wait Nick Gordon....errr no Alex Jackson....

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
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Richard has em on the run again


Yes the confused sea lawyer is some one we should run away from....

Alex Gordon...no wait Nick Gordon....errr no Alex Jackson....


Take it as a sign of Rick's sanity that he doesn't fret over the fortunes of teenagers until they make MLB

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Richard has em on the run again


Yes the confused sea lawyer is some one we should run away from....

Alex Gordon...no wait Nick Gordon....errr no Alex Jackson....
Maybe if you had answered the question my confusion could have been avoided.

Clearly I was talking about Alex Jackson, who was the answer to the question I had to answer myself.

I also had time to look it up more, and I now understand why you didn't want to answer it. He looks like he may be pretty good.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Yes the confused sea lawyer is some one we should run away from....

Alex Gordon...no wait Nick Gordon....errr no Alex Jackson....
Maybe if you had answered the question my confusion could have been avoided.

Clearly I was talking about Alex Jackson, who was the answer to the question I had to answer myself.

I also had time to look it up more, and I now understand why you didn't want to answer it. He looks like he may be pretty good.


and several years younger

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Take it as a sign of Rick's sanity that he doesn't fret over the fortunes of teenagers until they make MLB

I'm not going to pretend this doesn't hurt.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Richard has em on the run again


Yes the confused sea lawyer is some one we should run away from....

Alex Gordon...no wait Nick Gordon....errr no Alex Jackson....
Maybe if you had answered the question my confusion could have been avoided.

Clearly I was talking about Alex Jackson, who was the answer to the question I had to answer myself.

I also had time to look it up more, and I now understand why you didn't want to answer it. He looks like he may be pretty good.


Some of us actually have jobs...even though Lee Elia doubted it.. so I am sorry I did not immediately answer your plea for help.... thank goodness that Commodore 64 can look things up.

You clearly called him Alex Gordon... Yes I can also read,... and Nick Gordon was taken before Alex Jackson and right after Schwaber.... sorry my Carnac wasn't on.

DING DING DING ...the light just went on for BRICK... guess what ALL the TOP TEN guys are pretty good.

That said let's wait at least 5 if not 10 years to see how things turn out.

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
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That said let's wait at least 5 if not 10 years to see how things turn out.


IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
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You clearly called him Alex Gordon... Yes I can also read,... and Nick Gordon was taken before Alex Jackson and right after Schwaber.... sorry my Carnac wasn't on.
I called him Alex Jackson first. I mistyped the second time. The point is that in your list, which you had no problem ignoring work for when it was good for you, had Alex Jackson as the fourth. That is how you can know what I meant.
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DING DING DING ...the light just went on for BRICK... guess what ALL the TOP TEN guys are pretty good.
Which is why it may have been a mistake to get someone who wasn't in it.
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That said let's wait at least 5 if not 10 years to see how things turn out.
No, I'd rather just judge it on prospect rankings right now.

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No, I'd rather just judge it on prospect rankings right now.


Then you already know which organization happens to have 6 of the Top 72 on one of the only Top 100 lists that are currently out for 2015.

And you must have really enjoyed yourself when the consensus #1 organization was announced at the end of the 2014 season.

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That said let's wait at least 5 if not 10 years to see how things turn out.


IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!


It being a new contract for theo

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No, I'd rather just judge it on prospect rankings right now.


Then you already know which organization happens to have 6 of the Top 72 on one of the only Top 100 lists that are currently out for 2015.

And you must have really enjoyed yourself when the consensus #1 organization was announced at the end of the 2014 season.
I was. Congratulations!

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 Post subject: Re: 2015 MLB Draft
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No, I'd rather just judge it on prospect rankings right now.


Then you already know which organization happens to have 6 of the Top 72 on one of the only Top 100 lists that are currently out for 2015.

And you must have really enjoyed yourself when the consensus #1 organization was announced at the end of the 2014 season.


Baez and Alcantara still on those things or did they graduate form them?

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Take it as a sign of Rick's sanity that he doesn't fret over the fortunes of teenagers until they make MLB

I'm not going to pretend this doesn't hurt.


no disrespect intended, of course

anyway, you get paid to creep on high schoolers, so its ok

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That said let's wait at least 5 if not 10 years to see how things turn out.


IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!


It being a new contract for theo


or maybe the LONG Khahn being run by the WIN NOW crew gives losing manager Robin Ventura another annual January contract extension

see what I did there .... LONG KHAHN :lol:

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Is planning to win at some unspecified future time better than trying to win now? I think we all know who is really being conned.

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THE INQUISITOR wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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That said let's wait at least 5 if not 10 years to see how things turn out.


IT'S GONNA HAPPEN!


It being a new contract for theo


or maybe the LONG Khahn being run by the WIN NOW crew gives losing manager Robin Ventura another annual January contract extension

see what I did there .... LONG KHAHN :lol:


I see that you capitalized long twice. I'm not judging you.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Take it as a sign of Rick's sanity that he doesn't fret over the fortunes of teenagers until they make MLB

I'm not going to pretend this doesn't hurt.


no disrespect intended, of course

anyway, you get paid to creep on high schoolers, so its ok

I also get to creep on college players so that helps my sanity, a little.

To answer your earlier question, no Baez and Alcantara are not eligible for prospect lists because they exhausted their rookie eligibility.


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Is planning to win at some unspecified future time better than trying to win now? I think we all know who is really being conned.


JORR if I heard win now from someone who has done I might buy into it more than when I hear it for year after year from the same guys for the past nine years..... what makes you trust Kenny and Rick?

Yes I remember 2005 and I also remember 1959. I do not see a much different result over the last three Theo/Jed years then I do over the last three Kenny/ Rick years.

Reloading might work but these are the same guys that extended Danks. signed Keppinger, thought Downs was the lefty answer, brought in Paulino as the 4th starter. And extended Robin after one of the worst years in White Sox history.They sat on their hands as 2012 crashed and burned. Did the make any moves down that stretch that could have saved that season? Do you have faith in their signing every Cub reject (Putnam, Shark, Soto, Bonifacio, Soto, Campana) They have 5 good starters but who is behind them? Brad Penny? Scott Carroll? You have watched enough 2000 era baseball to know that teams need not just 5 or 6 starters but 7 and even 8 in a season.

If you take an honest look at both sides of tow both fan bases have been asked to "trust us" and the result is both teams fans think they are contenders this year. I am sorry I do not see it for either side. .500 maybe.... contenders maybe if the planets align but not likely.

I now that you and a few others like Keyser and even Frank are good Sox fans and I would like to see your serious response. Not a one line jab or poke.

OK I'll sit down and wait for my answer.

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Is planning to win at some unspecified future time better than trying to win now? I think we all know who is really being conned.


JORR if I heard win now from someone who has done I might buy into it more than when I hear it for year after year from the same guys for the past nine years..... what makes you trust Kenny and Rick?

Yes I remember 2005 and I also remember 1959. I do not see a much different result over the last three Theo/Jed years then I do over the last three Kenny/ Rick years.

Reloading might work but these are the same guys that extended Danks. signed Keppinger, thought Downs was the lefty answer, brought in Paulino as the 4th starter. And extended Robin after one of the worst years in White Sox history.They sat on their hands as 2012 crashed and burned. Did the make any moves down that stretch that could have saved that season? Do you have faith in their signing every Cub reject (Putnam, Shark, Soto, Bonifacio, Soto, Campana) They have 5 good starters but who is behind them? Brad Penny? Scott Carroll? You have watched enough 2000 era baseball to know that teams need not just 5 or 6 starters but 7 and even 8 in a season.

If you take an honest look at both sides of tow both fan bases have been asked to "trust us" and the result is both teams fans think they are contenders this year. I am sorry I do not see it for either side. .500 maybe.... contenders maybe if the planets align but not likely.

I now that you and a few others like Keyser and even Frank are good Sox fans and I would like to see your serious response. Not a one line jab or poke.

OK I'll sit down and wait for my answer.

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Yes I remember 2005
2005.

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Damnit Kirkwood.

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Is planning to win at some unspecified future time better than trying to win now? I think we all know who is really being conned.


JORR if I heard win now from someone who has done I might buy into it more than when I hear it for year after year from the same guys for the past nine years..... what makes you trust Kenny and Rick?

Yes I remember 2005 and I also remember 1959. I do not see a much different result over the last three Theo/Jed years then I do over the last three Kenny/ Rick years.

Reloading might work but these are the same guys that extended Danks. signed Keppinger, thought Downs was the lefty answer, brought in Paulino as the 4th starter. And extended Robin after one of the worst years in White Sox history.They sat on their hands as 2012 crashed and burned. Did the make any moves down that stretch that could have saved that season? Do you have faith in their signing every Cub reject (Putnam, Shark, Soto, Bonifacio, Soto, Campana) They have 5 good starters but who is behind them? Brad Penny? Scott Carroll? You have watched enough 2000 era baseball to know that teams need not just 5 or 6 starters but 7 and even 8 in a season.

If you take an honest look at both sides of tow both fan bases have been asked to "trust us" and the result is both teams fans think they are contenders this year. I am sorry I do not see it for either side. .500 maybe.... contenders maybe if the planets align but not likely.

I now that you and a few others like Keyser and even Frank are good Sox fans and I would like to see your serious response. Not a one line jab or poke.

OK I'll sit down and wait for my answer.


That's reasonable and I don't really disagree with anything you said there except the part about the Sox not being contenders. I even think the Cubs might contend this year. But so many things happen during a season, I don't make predictions. Going in I thought the Sox could win almost every season from 2000-2012. The only year I thought they had no chance was 2005. So what the fuck do I know?

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The only year I thought they had no chance was 2005. So what the fuck do I know?
2005.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Is planning to win at some unspecified future time better than trying to win now? I think we all know who is really being conned.


JORR if I heard win now from someone who has done I might buy into it more than when I hear it for year after year from the same guys for the past nine years..... what makes you trust Kenny and Rick?

Yes I remember 2005 and I also remember 1959. I do not see a much different result over the last three Theo/Jed years then I do over the last three Kenny/ Rick years.

Reloading might work but these are the same guys that extended Danks. signed Keppinger, thought Downs was the lefty answer, brought in Paulino as the 4th starter. And extended Robin after one of the worst years in White Sox history.They sat on their hands as 2012 crashed and burned. Did the make any moves down that stretch that could have saved that season? Do you have faith in their signing every Cub reject (Putnam, Shark, Soto, Bonifacio, Soto, Campana) They have 5 good starters but who is behind them? Brad Penny? Scott Carroll? You have watched enough 2000 era baseball to know that teams need not just 5 or 6 starters but 7 and even 8 in a season.

If you take an honest look at both sides of tow both fan bases have been asked to "trust us" and the result is both teams fans think they are contenders this year. I am sorry I do not see it for either side. .500 maybe.... contenders maybe if the planets align but not likely.

I now that you and a few others like Keyser and even Frank are good Sox fans and I would like to see your serious response. Not a one line jab or poke.

OK I'll sit down and wait for my answer.


Here is my honest response: purposely losing is repugnant to the entire concept of sport and should be met with the greatest disdain despite its byproducts. Openly and obviously losing for three years is an abomination against god and man.

We praise those who try their best but fail because we understand that there is glory in the process as much as the result.

If this were ancient Greece, poets would write stories of Theo offending the gods and being doomed to relive these three seasons for the rest of his life.

Alas, this is modern Wrigleyville where losses are met with calls for another round.

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Purposely losing sounds like you direct your players to throw games. Cubs management had a huge clean up to rid the team of bad contracts, old players, and acquire assets. They simply chose to trade anything of value for future talent. Additionally, they largely refused to spend on high cost free agents when they had very little in the way of major league talent.

They are trying to build a sustainable long term model with a pipeline of valuable minor league assets. The Sox fans on this board are very concerned about the way the Cubs go about losing. We appreciate your sympathies.

Yes, that had the effect of a bad major league roster.

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This three years should be looked at as a stain on Cub history. I sit here dumbfounded at how bad is good in this upside down universe and further floored by how it is met with applause of those who should be the most cynical.

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Here is my honest response: purposely losing is repugnant to the entire concept of sport and should be met with the greatest disdain despite its byproducts. Openly and obviously losing for three years is an abomination against god and man.

We praise those who try their best but fail because we understand that there is glory in the process as much as the result.

If this were ancient Greece, poets would write stories of Theo offending the gods and being doomed to relive these three seasons for the rest of his life.

Alas, this is modern Wrigleyville where losses are met with calls for another round.

Amen.

Ah, very obvious you're a lawyer. I need a barf bag after reading that dreck.


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