The bench would probably look better overall if Dunleavy were healthier. At some point this season, assuming health, they do have a luxury of 3 capable post players in Gasol, Noah and Gibson. Hinrich hasn't played well, but could benefit from a reduced role. Aaron Brooks has been a capable scoring backup PG. Come playoffs, I don't really think they are going to play more than 8-9 guys at most.

Rose settles too much for the 3 point shot. If he can be attack mode more often, I'd feel better about him being more consistent.

Clearly, the problem isn't player develop. Guys have developed under Thibs. The issue has been a porous defense.

Paxson and/or Gar seem to want input in how the roster is managed game to game (i.e. players minutes). Is that fair to say?

What else are they attempting to control, or, at least, offer a strong voice on?

I agree. He's afraid to do it.

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Im not sure about all that.

Im just saying that if one of Jerry's Guys wants a non jerry guy gone...he's gone.

Jimmy Butler didn't receive playing time until Deng was injured. Thibs was the coach but he got playing time by default. There is a lot of Popovich love but one of the things that his rest of star players has done is allow his younger guys to time and develop. Patty Mills Cory Joseph Kawhi Leonard developed because they were given time. Tony Parker made a number of mistakes as a 19 yr old player but he was provided playing time in order to play through his mistakes. You don't get better as a player by sitting on the bench. It's difficult to make the argument against Snell and McDermott when you watch the way Hinrich and Moore are playing. Moore was given playing time as soon as he joined the team. How could he have earned anything at that point. He has been waived by two of the worst teams in the league yet he is in the Bulls rotation.

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He didn't rest his stars until they got old though. No coach does.

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Jimmy Butler didn't receive playing time until Deng was injured. Thibs was the coach but he got playing time by default. There is a lot of Popovich love but one of the things that his rest of star players has done is allow his younger guys to time and develop. Patty Mills Cory Joseph Kawhi Leonard developed because they were given time. Tony Parker made a number of mistakes as a 19 yr old player but he was provided playing time in order to play through his mistakes. You don't get better as a player by sitting on the bench. It's difficult to make the argument against Snell and McDermott when you watch the way Hinrich and Moore are playing. Moore was given playing time as soon as he joined the team. How could he have earned anything at that point. He has been waived by two of the worst teams in the league yet he is in the Bulls rotation.[/quote]

Butler has been in the league for 4 seasons; for two of them, he's a league leader in minutes played. When he was drafted, weren't the Bulls a deep team coming off a 60 win season? It's not going to be easy to crack the rotation on a team like that. Sometimes, it takes time. Not every young player is ready to play on Day 1. Moore has had one stretch of games this season where he got into the low 20's. I wouldn't say he's blocking playing time of anyone and McDermott has been injured. Being a rookie and injured is a bad combination for becoming a rotation player on a team with high expectations.

Thibs is playing the guys who should be playing, they aren't getting the job done.

Paxson and Foreman will see it as a problem if three first round picks continue to languish on the bench. I still haven't found a plausible reason why Etwaun Moore receives playing time. That game was lost at the start of the fourth quarter last night. While everyone continues to blast Rose and lately Gasol the much acclaimed Bulls bench of Gibson Brooks Moore and Mirotic was outscored 13-0 to start the 4th. It also happened in the 2nd quarter. There have been a number of leads opened up once the Bulls bench enters the game lately. This is also a continuing problem. They struggle to score particularly if Brooks doesn't have it going.

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He does have history if developing players. I forgot about Stephen Jackson. He took a chance on a young unproven Stephen Jackson and won a championship. He was instrumental in his development.


Etwaun Moore and Hinrich shouldn't see the floor. He is also jerking Mirotic around. There was a game earlier this yr that Mirotic played very well and the very next game he received 11 min. I checked because I knew that his minutes would be cut. Mirotic and the Bulls coincidentally were playing their best ball of the season when Gibson was out. Since he has been back Mirotic hasn't been the same player.

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Tony Snell went from starting one game to DNPCD the next but the problem is not player development?

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No, the problem is clearly horrific defense coupled with stagnant offense.

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Larussa is very much in Jerrys family. More than hawk.

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Derrick Rose doesn't attack the basket. His fear and terrible jump shot hurts the offense. Gasol's decision to not even try to play defense hurts the Bulls on defense. Rose sucks too but he's always been bad.

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You're simplifying things too much. YOu make it sound like those are the only two not playing defense. There are plenty more who aren't playing defense. For instance every big man we have trying to defend a pick and roll. Did you see the pathetic showing by Taj last night on the Harden pick and roll? Just lazy.

Offensively, its more than just Rose. No one is cutting to the basket without the ball. Too much time spent dribbling on the perimeter before initiating the offense.

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This thread was not really about what ails the Bulls. It was about the prospects of a potential Thibs firing. What you are saying is technically true. If you don't think that GarPax have a problem with two of their first round picks not playing at all and one playing sporadic minutes then you don't really understand how this works. This thread was not about fixing the Bulls team. Their defense and offense has been bad lately. We know that. Two first round picks received DNPCD's last night and one who just last month was considered a rookie of the yr candidate is regressing. He has first rd. Picks playing behind a journeyman guy that hasn't accomplished anything and another guy that looks like he should retire.

Hinrich is part of the 2nd 3rd AND 4th most used units on the Bulls and each of the units are among the worst performing. Coincidence?

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Kirk Hinrich is shooting 36% from the field and avg. 6 pts a game while playing 27 minutes a game but he really isnt taking minutes away that should go to Snell or McDermott? The development of the young players will be a problem if Thibs is fired. The guy that GarPax traded 2 first round picks for is receiving DNPCD's in game after game. There is no way they are comfortable with that.

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Rose couldn't shoot or play D when he came into the league and still can't.The mystic of Thibs making guys play D is a myth this is the NBA.When the offense ran through Noah people were cutting to the bucket. What amazes me is how the love of Thibs and Rose has died and guess what it ain't Thibs fault.

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I'm amazed also. I can remember how someone posting here now stated this summer that even a rusty Rose was better than Kyrie Irving. Now they are bashing the hell out of Rose. I wonder when even a rusty Rose became so terrible.

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I am not in the fire Thibbs camp but if you do find George Karl immediately.

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The team is so bad they miss Dunleavy?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Also wondering about that also. Dunleavy was a guy that Thibs didn't really want because he wasn't much of a defender. Now he has become indispensable. I'm not in the fire Thibs camp either but there are some troubling things about the way he coaches. If he was to get fired it wouldn't be as much of an upset though. I think he deserves at least another yr and there is still a possibility that they can turn it around this yr. I'm not ready to write them off this yr. Their offense is a big problem for me. There is no ball movement and Rose's assist totals are atrocious for a guy considered to be an elite point guard.

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Your basketball acumen is of the elementary variety. You're basing your evaluation on an alley oops dunk that occurred when the game was well in hand. It's interesting that you failed to note that the guy I advocated for scored 19 and the other guy was 3 for 3. Actually Moore didn't play until the last 3-4 minutes of the game. Its obvious you caught a highlight somewhere and decided to provide drive by analysis. You're way off on this one but that's sort of a recurring theme in your case so it's no need to get worked up.

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That was a pretty good play.

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Yes it was but I'm not going to use that as the basis for suggesting that he should play over Tony Snell. The game Snell played last night was better than any that Moore has played since he joined the Bulls. It was an impressive play. Whats interesting is that people criticize the Sportscenterization of sports yet you appear to have fallen for it in this particular case. It's more to the game than a simple highlight.

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If he could do that 10 times a game he'd be an all star.

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No arguing with that. You're supporting Moore under the Boilermaker act. I actually liked their team hated when Hummel went down.

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