Playoffs Stats:

Lebron 158 games 6717 Minutes

Carmelo 66 games 2579 Minutes


That is over a years worth of games and typically harder minutes in the playoffs.

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So now we are arguing that he doesn't have wear and tear because Lebron James has played more games and minutes. I was wrong about that part of it. Let's go through statistics since you guys only use them when it serves your purpose. The Denver Nuggets were 17-65 the yr before he arrived. They were terrible for about 12 yrs prior to his arrival. His first yr won 26 more games and made the playoffs. They made the playoffs every yr he was in Denver in spite of the fact that they were in- a far superior conf. and he never had another all star alongside him Iverson may have made it but he stunk in Denver probably was voted in Maybe Billups I will check. New Yorks record in the six yrs prior to his arrival was a combined 174-309. The 26 game improvement in his first yr was one of the largest single season improvements in history. His career numbers are very close to Durants even down to the assists numbers yet he is criticized for being selfish and Durant never is. He has never played with anyone as good as Wade and Bosh. Nor has he ever played with anyone as good as Westbrook or Harden yet he is expected to win. Before you say Iverson he was washed up at the time and Billups was probably never as good as the 4 guys I just named. The facts don't add up. He has never been on a team that was predicted to win anything. As he stated the other day he came to New York to play with Stoudamire and Stoudamire has missed 37% of his games the last four yrs. Stoudamire has been primarily a bench player the past four yrs basically been a thief during this pd yet Melo gets bashed because the Knicks aren't title contenders. Amare received max money and has been worse than Taj Gibson the past four yrs. This good old fashioned homerism at its worst.

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A lot of you guys really need to watch more basketball or get out of the WSCR bubble. Using your logic about winning and losing disqualifies about 80% of the NBA.

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You said yourself you can never win a title with Melo as your best player.

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If he'd come to the Bulls this yr yes. Probably this yr and next after that no. If the Knicks ever get good he won't be their best player. At the earliest you are talking a guy who will be 33 or more likely 34. In his prime def. could have been the best player on a championship team. Those Denver teams didn't even have another All Star. The only guy that played at an All Star level was Billups. He may have made one and he was only with the team a few yrs. If you think making the playoffs in the west is easy look at Anthony Davis. He is everyone's flavor of the month yet he may miss the playoffs for the third yr in a row. Has he been crowned a loser. Nope

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I wonder if he reads his arguments. They charge so often.

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I do not listen to WSCR 670 The Score. I watch oodles of basketball.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

That would be you since you are the resident member of the Jessie White tumbling team. I have always contended that he could be the top dig on a championship team. That has never changed. Don't know what you are talking about. I never held him responsible for the Knicks or Denver not winning. At this point in his career I really am not sure. He could have been the best Bull and won a championship. Since Goff is back it would be a good time to ask him about the get Melo the fing ball stuff. Ask him about the context in which he said it. I guarantee you it wasn't to suggest the Knicks would win a championship. It would make them a better team. It's the same argument that has been used in OKC by the way and I rarely hear complaints when it is used in the context of Westbrook/Durant. Why should it have been different in Lin/Anthony.

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Okay. You can't have a debate or discussion with you. It's virtually impossible.

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I wonder if you actually read the stuff that write.

Let me provide a running list of stupid Nas stuff

1. Taj is better than Gasol

2. Lance Stephenson has star potential

3. You would take Boozer over Gasol

4. This yrs Miami team will be a third seed. Currently fighting for the 8th seed.

5. Lebron would lead this yrs Knicks team to the playoffs.

6. Houston team that won the championship had lots of talent. They were a Sixth seed during one of their championships

7. Tony Snell did not deserve time over Kirk Hinrich

8. Stoudamire was having a better season than Anthony. Knicks just bought him out.

9. Taj would start on most NBA teams.

10. Pau Gasol had very little to do with the Lakers championship s

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That list is the reason why no one could ever have a conversation with you. More than half the list is made up and others were clearly tongue in cheek comments. Don't forget that I said the Knicks would be better without Marshmelo.

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On some stuff yeah. I'm a Melo apologist. I have been a fan of the guy since Syracuse. I thought he was going to be better than LeBron. I was wrong on that. However there is a lack of objectivity in regards to the criticism of him. He has been held to standards that none of the guys that you heap praise on have had to match. When it's brought up about the other guys and who they had to play with the point is completely ignored or dismissed as excuse making. Those are valid points and points that I have heard respected NBA guys make. He was matched up against teams that were simply better. He didn't perform well during some of those series granted but his team wouldn't have been there without him. Denver won 17 games the yr before he arrived and 43 his first yr and you stated it was due to Andre Miller. How can a person have a debate or plausible discussion when stupid stuff like that is spewed.

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Find one statement that is false and I'm sure I would find it in a thread. You resort to yeah it was tongue in cheek whenever your stuff is proven ridiculous. You should own it. When I brought I Miami you said it was early. You also stated that it was early on Stephenson. I think you are still holding out hope on him.i never hear you criticize him. You also in your Melo Hate said he was having a better yr than Marshmelo too. Remember how you touted his rebounding totals and December scoring avg as a basis for argument. The Gasol stuff is well known so I know you will resort to tongue and cheek. Houston I haven't hammered you on but you said it. Tony Snell was just last week how soon we forget. You stated that Hinrich and Moore earned their minutes in practice and implied Snell hasnt. There is an endless list of stupid things that emanate from you. There is a reluctance on the part of some when it comes to calling you on it. Though they are always right there for you when it comes to me. I can handle it though. I don't care much for consensus anyway just consistency.

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I think this was proven to be false.

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I guarantee you that you'd be unable to name 2 starters from the Knicks final regular season game off hand. He did win some games with J.R. and Shumpert but in the end they reverted to being J.R. and Shumpert. LeBron James ended up looking a lot like Anthony with all the shots he was hoisting. He was even more of a ball hog than Anthony. It was what the team needed whenever he does it though.

They won a few games playing that style but they still lost in the end.

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The original post was made while Shumpert and Smith were still on the Knicks. JR Smith was a bench player on that dog shit team!

Start the playoffs with a healthy Melo in Lebron's place. Do they make the finals?

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No other player in the NBA could have led that Cavs team to the Finals besides LeBron.

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With Love and Irving yes with just Irving whom LeBron had maybe with Neither no. Anthony has never played with anyone as good as Irving or Love.

If you put LeBron on that Knicks team they don't make the playoffs. The Cavs with LeBron Irving and Love were after all .500 after about 35 games. They took off after making trades.

He already is whining for better players again. That must be noted.

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Maybe not. He is the best player. He would not have led that cast of Knicks anywhere but lottery. They would have had a better record but that is about it. They have about 8 D-league caliber players on their roster.

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Lebron takes the Knicks team from the beginning of the season to the playoffs. Melo and Kyrie do not get past the Bulls.

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Any team Lebron is on in the eastern conference is a playoff team. Knicks included.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

He would be hard pressed to take the Knick team which finished the season to the playoffs. Have you seen that roster?. The East is weak but not that weak.

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He won two games against the best team in the NBA, in the Finals, with just as weak of a team.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Cleveland's roster without Irving and Love is better than that Knicks roster. Miami Heat has a better roster than either the Knocks or Cleveland and they missed the playoffs. Nas had them #3 before the season so please don't say they are devoid of talent. That would be incorrect.

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For all the LeBron James greatness which beginning to take on Goff and Bernstein like proportions around here he wasn't the difference in the Bulls series. It was Shumpert Smith and Thompson. He had three terrible games against the Bulls. Missed shots and a lot of turnovers.

His primary assignment has also won the last two finals MVP awards.

Carmelo Anthony has taken crappy teams to the playoffs before and he did it in a pretty crappy conf. James is the better player but let's not get carried away. He was whining earlier in the season about needing more help and that's with two all stars on the team.

He is already leveraging his free agent status to try and hold the franchise hostage. He has never won a championship when he didn't have the better team. For all his greatness look at his shooting percentage during this yrs playoffs (particularly his three point percentage). Look at the turnovers. His numbers stunk but the team won so that's all that really matters to some. He didn't play well in a lot of those games.

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They couldn't overcome the injury to Bosh.

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I'll keep it simple. Knicks don't start 4-21 this year if they had Lebron instead of Melo. Would of been around .500

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Even without Bosh the Heat were better than what New York trots out.
If Anthony starts whining publicly then he deserves to be hammered. He had to know what he was signing up for.
This notion that simply having James means you make the playoffs is foolish.
With two All Stars and solid role players he finished second in the East. If he is so great he wouldn't need to constantly force Cleveland's hand. He is holding the franchise hostage so that he can get what he wants. That's bullshit. It's far more bullshitty than a guy saying that he wants to win and taking 40 million more to play with a crap franchise.
He is already trying to engineer other deals.

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Cleveland also better hope that Kevin Love doesn't sign elsewhere. If he does then that trade which was made in order to appease James, will go down as one of the worst in history.

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