from http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/where-amare-stoudemire-ranks-among-the-worst-nba-offseason-acquisitions/

(honorable mention for Boozer way down the list)

... According to this method of comparing actual five-year WAR to expected WAR from salary, Stoudemire’s signing ranks as the worst offseason acquisition3 since the summer of 1996, when Basketball Reference’s transactions begin to be relatively complete. Here are the particulars of his badness, along with the next 29 worst offseason prizes of the same span:

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Thank God the Rose brothers prevented the Bulls from topping that list with that Losing Bum Carmelo Anthony!

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He was great his first season. He was clearly responsible for the Knicks 26 game turnaround. Problem was everyone knew he was an injury waiting to happen. That's why his contract wasn't insured.

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That was terrible. Thank I had that erased from my mind until now. Ben was a second.

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The Knicks won 13 more games that yr. Also acquired Anthony I know he didn't play much of a role but it should be noted anyway.

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I'm happy that someone finally got around to this This dude has stolen money for the past 4 yrs and he has escaped criticism. If you want to know the single biggest reason the Knicks didn't go anywhere it was because of him. He didn't give them shit and you heard very little criticism. The dude missed 37% of his games and when he did play he was on restricted min. and coming off the bench. This dude received max. money. and was a damn no show.

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Geez LTG's main purpose on this board is fucking with NAS.

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Every has a purpose.

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He'd be great if his arguments were better.

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I actually wish theirs was better. This is really too easy. They have been on the bashing Melo bandwagon for a long time. This is further evidence that what I have been saying has actual legs yet rather than address the point it becomes about the poster and not the post. Standard ad hominem stuff that is why the stated comments lack credibility. Very few of you if any have ever brought Amare ' s role in this. In terms of Nas just pointed out another fabrication of his because no one else was going to do it. This is an old boys club here.

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I just posted the turnaround he said the Knicks made in Marshmelo's first year with the Knicks. Unfortunately he wasn't aware of it.

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I am a purveyor of truth and justice. I noticed that you were attempting to contradict every statement I made awhile ago so I found it necessary to take the knife to you. In the immortal words of one Willie Dee if you want to go to war I will take you to war!

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You're using the knife the wrong way. Stop stabbing yourself.

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Don't know where it was supposed to be either way it wasn't 26 games maybe you're using voodoo math 13 more wins 13 fewer losses. If you are then Denver had a 52 game improvement during his 1st yr. Yet it is still interesting that in all the Melo failings in New York the role of Amare was never mentioned til now. Two days worth of back and forth no mention. Even now DT starts a thread no mention. I will let it roll because the mere silence simply validates my point.

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Your post is in this thread. We've discussed Amare before. You can use the search function. You're all over the place.
viewtopic.php?f=91&t=90623&start=175

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If it was it was simply in passing. He was far more responsible for the Knicks not advancing in the playoffs than Anthony ever was. I sort recall you talking about how he was playing at an All Star level til Anthony got there. I recall you stating that Anthony shot the Knicks out of a series that Amare participated in. If there was any Amare bashing it has been slight. You like to cover all your flanks with the circular arguments but you really haven't made much mention of Amare. If anyone would know it would be me don't you think?

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Don't know where you were bashing Amare but I'm sure you'll simply practice some more voodoo.

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Lots of "athletes" who were great dunkers on that list

This is your post saying that the Knicks improved by 26 games because of Marshmelo. There are posts about you being wrong about Amare too. Please put the knife away.

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Why shit on Amare for this many years straight? We already shit on him four years ago. There is no one left that thinks he is rated, let alone overrated.

It is Carmelo Anthony's turn to be shit on. People still think he is a positive influence on a team.

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This is your post saying that the Knicks improved by 26 games because of Marshmelo. There are posts about you being wron about Amare too. Please put the knife away.[/quote][/quote]

No I was still referring to his time in Denver. I could see where it would like I was talking about the Knicks. I jumped around a little bit there. I should have substituted rookie for 1st yr. That would have cleared up the confusion.

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Back when the whole fing ball stuff started I don't remember you railing against Amare. You may have I don't remember it. I certainly don't recall you ever saying that Amare ' s 20 million dollar contract was the primary reason the Knicks were losing. The 20 million dollar salary had far more to do with the Knicks not winning than Carmelo's ball hogging. Now that someone has labeled him the worst signing ever and it appears that you are engaging in a bit of revisionism which I'm finding to be a board staple. When I pointed out Amares failures it was called excuse making where were u? When I pointed out how is contract was killing the team where were u?

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I'm not worried about what you remember. Don't worry about where I was.

Carmelo and Amare both being terrible signings for the Knicks are not mutually exclusive.

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1 guy leading the team to the best record that they have had in the last twenty yrs doesn't constitute a terrible signing. The Knicks combined record during the six yrs prior to his arrival was 174-309 to hear some tell it you would have thought he was single handily responsible for destroying an NBA champion. The reason there is no memory is because it didn't happen

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Carmelo Anthony is a great signing if you want your franchise to be stuck in a period of supreme mediocrity. No chance for an NBA title. You might make the playoffs, but your chances of advancing past the first round are slim. You'll probably miss the playoffs, premier free agents won't want to join you, and you will tarnish the legacy of one of the game's greatest minds.

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I think a healthy Carmelo would have made the Bulls a better team and I was pro Gasol. I don't think he is the team killer some have portrayed him to be. He rarely throws teammates under the bus alas Lebron or Kobe. He hasn't gotten coaches fired alas Lebron Kobe and other star players. His career numbers match up with Durant. He took a team that had won 17 games prior to his arrival to 43 wins/ playoff berth as a rookie. That's not easy. If you think it is check Durant Lebron Anthony Davis and see where there teams finished their first yr. His legacy would forever be different had Dumars drafted him and not Darko. The dude chose the money over winning and if he ever complains publicly about playing for such a shitty franchise that will be the time to let his ass have it. If he can live with it that's on him.

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