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Seems like some do. I just dont.
Which is fine. As I said, you just view the Cubs as a team that plays in Chicago. If they transported the Twins stadium to Chicago and dropped it on top of Wrigley Field you'd be fine with it.

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Seems like some do. I just dont.
Which is fine. As I said, you just view the Cubs as a team that plays in Chicago. If they transported the Twins stadium to Chicago and dropped it on top of Wrigley Field you'd be fine with it.

Actually no, Im somewhere in between not caring about Wrigley at all and the people who put it above all else. Im not gonna fit into one of your slots for Cubs fans. You cant label me, bro


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Actually no, Im somewhere in between not caring about Wrigley at all and the people who put it above all else. Im not gonna fit into one of your slots for Cubs fans. You cant label me, bro
So we agree then. Cool!

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EDM is at least 50 years better than the Beatles, this might be the greatest decision ever

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Actually no, Im somewhere in between not caring about Wrigley at all and the people who put it above all else. Im not gonna fit into one of your slots for Cubs fans. You cant label me, bro
So we agree then. Cool!

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Actually no, Im somewhere in between not caring about Wrigley at all and the people who put it above all else. Im not gonna fit into one of your slots for Cubs fans. You cant label me, bro
So we agree then. Cool!

:lol:

Im just excited to be talking about Baseball!

I believe you're going to regret that statement.


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Actually no, Im somewhere in between not caring about Wrigley at all and the people who put it above all else. Im not gonna fit into one of your slots for Cubs fans. You cant label me, bro
So we agree then. Cool!

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Im just excited to be talking about Baseball!
Baseball will be a good stopgap.

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Illusions are crucial in baseball.

We pretend that players are devoted to their teams and their cities. When, in reality, the average player has the same deep loyalty to his team that your average hooker has to whoever is buying her drinks at the moment.

We pretend that the games matter and that each game is a test of skill, when top players turn out to be as juiced as racehorses and the only crime is being found out.

And generally I don’t like to mess with another’s delusions. Life is a long time, and it helps to believe in something.

But this kerfuffle between the Chicago Cubs’ current ownership and the operators of the neighboring rooftop party playpens are based on two huge fictions that just cry to be pointed out by somebody.

I guess that somebody has to be me.

Fiction one: The rooftop owners, the Lakeview Baseball Club and Skybox, who sued to stop the team from erecting advertising and giant video screens that they claim would block their views and thus hurt business.

What views? You mean the tiny ants at home plate? And what makes them think that the businessmen gathering to drink beer and gobble hot dogs and duck their responsibilities for an afternoon care about watching the game directly? The people packing the bars around Wrigley don’t have any views; they’re all watching the game on the nearest flat screen.

Heck, half the fans inside the ballpark don’t watch the game — not that there’s ever much of a game to watch. At any given time half the fans are lining up to get beer or dispose of it, wandering the concourses or checking out their phones, and half miss the 30 seconds of actual action that occur in any given three-hour baseball game.

I’m not sure this is what U.S. District Judge Virginia Kendall had in mind when she said the rooftop owners haven’t shown any evidence their business might be harmed.

The mistake the rooftop owners made was in drawing attention to the possibly obscured views. Who cares? Sure, some patrons might complain they can’t actually see the plate. Buy ‘em a free beer and tell them that’s how it goes and they’ll shrug and be happy. You’re paying for ambiance, or what ambiance will be left after the Ricketts are done wrecking Wrigley and vicinity. It’s as if, unable to relocate to Addison, the family has decided to bring Addison to Wrigleyville, transforming an urban gem into Disney’s Baseball Experience.

Which leads us to the second illusion: the charmed notion that the money from the additional advertising will go toward getting better players who will propel the Cubs to a World Series. Pretty to think so. But from the ham-handed, arrogant, kill-the-golden-goose managerial style of the Ricketts clan, I can’t imagine that happening, nor imagine a providence so perverse that it would allow Tom Ricketts to smile his smug, frozen, lipless smile in triumph over a pennant win. Fate is cruel, but I don’t see it as being that cruel.

All this might be moot anyway — another game where the Cubs have victory in their grasp in the 8th inning and then lose in the 9th. All the federal judge said is she wasn’t going to stop the team from installing their obstructions now because the rooftop owners haven’t shown the harm it would do to business. They could still lay out evidence that their customers are flocking to Hooters instead, and the judge could yet order the Cubs to take their signs down, and wouldn’t that be a season highlight dwarfing anything conceivably occurring on the field?

My guess is their business will be fine. The Law of Ironic Bad Publicity states that controversies over potential flaws draw far more people to a product than are repelled by the flaw. If I sold a soft drink, “Neil’s Special Elixir” and authorities were concerned it contained some herb that might cause cardiac arrest, the number of people who would learn about my product’s existence from the bad publicity and flock to buy it before it was pulled from the shelves would dwarf the few timorous souls worried about their hearts.

So I expect rooftop owners to get more business from this, not less, as new customers line up to enjoy the rooftops before they’re driven out of business, since laying eyes on the game is so far down the hierarchy of beer, buddyhood, bratwursts and blowing off an afternoon. I’m not the average fan; to me, a sporting event is watching the superstar Bulls play, not watching whatever nonet of nobodies the Cubs are fielding this year. Still, I’d rather sit on a rooftop chair and stare at the back of the Wrigley Field Jumbotron than sit behind home plate at U.S. Cellular Field and watch the game. Because say what you will about the Cubs — and if it’s negative, it’s probably true — they’ll always have this going for them: At least they’re not the Sox.

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"Still, I’d rather sit on a rooftop chair and stare at the back of the Wrigley Field Jumbotron than sit behind home plate at U.S. Cellular Field— they’ll always have this going for them: At least they’re not the Sox."

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And newspapers don't understand why they are dying?

You can find better constructed opinions on hundreds of free sites around the internet.

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And newspapers don't understand why they are dying?

You can find better constructed opinions on hundreds of free sites around the internet.



The guy isn't a baseball fan, but what do you disagree with besides the idiotic statement regarding "30 seconds of action"?

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And newspapers don't understand why they are dying?

You can find better constructed opinions on hundreds of free sites around the internet.



The guy isn't a baseball fan, but what do you disagree with besides the idiotic statement regarding "30 seconds of action"?

I feel as if I shouldn't even give this 'article' 5 seconds of my time, but to be brief:

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We pretend that players are devoted to their teams and their cities. When, in reality, the average player has the same deep loyalty to his team that your average hooker has to whoever is buying her drinks at the moment.


This may portray many athletes, more now than ever, but is a generalization that is inaccurate for many players. Kobe Bryant is one example (good interview with Bill Simmons). Lebron James is another. Many players take hometown discounts, many players prioritize playing near home. James Shields just did this. Any time you start an article with a terrible generalization, you're gonna have a bad time.

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We pretend that the games matter and that each game is a test of skill, when top players turn out to be as juiced as racehorses and the only crime is being found out.


See above.

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Fiction one: The rooftop owners, the Lakeview Baseball Club and Skybox, who sued to stop the team from erecting advertising and giant video screens that they claim would block their views and thus hurt business.

What views? You mean the tiny ants at home plate? And what makes them think that the businessmen gathering to drink beer and gobble hot dogs and duck their responsibilities for an afternoon care about watching the game directly? The people packing the bars around Wrigley don’t have any views; they’re all watching the game on the nearest flat screen.


This is false. The view isn't about the details, it is about the atmosphere of being there. You cannot tell if a pitch was on the black or not. True. But you're an 'overlord' of the entire ballpark. I've been on the rooftops about five times - I would rather be in the ballpark. But the players aren't ants. If you want to watch the game, you can. There are worse spots to be in the 200 section than sitting on a rooftop. While I am a huge fan of the videoboards and Wrigley construction, it will block some of the rooftop views. And that is a legitimate gripe...if there are no solid views of the game in the ballpark, suddenly it is just another rooftop in Chicago. And "just another rooftop" can't charge $150 a head.

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Heck, half the fans inside the ballpark don’t watch the game — not that there’s ever much of a game to watch. At any given time half the fans are lining up to get beer or dispose of it, wandering the concourses or checking out their phones, and half miss the 30 seconds of actual action that occur in any given three-hour baseball game.


This blogger has never been to Wrigley field, or watched a baseball game.

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The mistake the rooftop owners made was in drawing attention to the possibly obscured views. Who cares? Sure, some patrons might complain they can’t actually see the plate. Buy ‘em a free beer and tell them that’s how it goes and they’ll shrug and be happy. You’re paying for ambiance, or what ambiance will be left after the Ricketts are done wrecking Wrigley and vicinity. It’s as if, unable to relocate to Addison, the family has decided to bring Addison to Wrigleyville, transforming an urban gem into Disney’s Baseball Experience.


And has never been to Addison nor Disney.

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Which leads us to the second illusion: the charmed notion that the money from the additional advertising will go toward getting better players who will propel the Cubs to a World Series. Pretty to think so. But from the ham-handed, arrogant, kill-the-golden-goose managerial style of the Ricketts clan, I can’t imagine that happening, nor imagine a providence so perverse that it would allow Tom Ricketts to smile his smug, frozen, lipless smile in triumph over a pennant win. Fate is cruel, but I don’t see it as being that cruel.


Ricketts took on debt from the purchase of the team. He has bills he needs to pay. Of course, revenues go toward paying down debt. But a huge increase in revenue will lead to increased salaries and improved baseball related facilities and scouting. This is how professional sports has worked for the longest time. Ricketts is no cheaper than any other owner. No owner wants a team in the red. It is still a business.

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My guess is their business will be fine. The Law of Ironic Bad Publicity states that controversies over potential flaws draw far more people to a product than are repelled by the flaw. If I sold a soft drink, “Neil’s Special Elixir” and authorities were concerned it contained some herb that might cause cardiac arrest, the number of people who would learn about my product’s existence from the bad publicity and flock to buy it before it was pulled from the shelves would dwarf the few timorous souls worried about their hearts.


Huh?

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So I expect rooftop owners to get more business from this, not less, as new customers line up to enjoy the rooftops before they’re driven out of business, since laying eyes on the game is so far down the hierarchy of beer, buddyhood, bratwursts and blowing off an afternoon. I’m not the average fan; to me, a sporting event is watching the superstar Bulls play, not watching whatever nonet of nobodies the Cubs are fielding this year. Still, I’d rather sit on a rooftop chair and stare at the back of the Wrigley Field Jumbotron than sit behind home plate at U.S. Cellular Field and watch the game. Because say what you will about the Cubs — and if it’s negative, it’s probably true — they’ll always have this going for them: At least they’re not the Sox.


I should write for the Sun-Times about interpretive dance then.

Who is this writer? Someone trying to make a name for themselves? Is he going to write for Vice when he gets canned?

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This may portray many athletes, more now than ever, but is a generalization that is inaccurate for many players. Kobe Bryant is one example (good interview with Bill Simmons). Lebron James is another. Many players take hometown discounts, many players prioritize playing near home. James Shields just did this. Any time you start an article with a terrible generalization, you're gonna have a bad time.


Don't be ridiculous. LeBron left Cleveland once already and spit in its face with "The Decision". If Theo had offered six years Shields would be in a Cub uniform. He's right on.


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This is false. The view isn't about the details, it is about the atmosphere of being there. You cannot tell if a pitch was on the black or not. True. But you're an 'overlord' of the entire ballpark. I've been on the rooftops about five times - I would rather be in the ballpark. But the players aren't ants. If you want to watch the game, you can. There are worse spots to be in the 200 section than sitting on a rooftop. While I am a huge fan of the videoboards and Wrigley construction, it will block some of the rooftop views. And that is a legitimate gripe...if there are no solid views of the game in the ballpark, suddenly it is just another rooftop in Chicago. And "just another rooftop" can't charge $150 a head.


You're mistaken. Most people on the roofs don't have your laser focus on the game. As long as it's across the street and the neighborhood is buzzing, it's not "just another rooftop in Chicago".

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This blogger has never been to Wrigley field, or watched a baseball game.


I would bet a lot of money he has been to Wrigley Field.

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And has never been to Addison nor Disney.


I would bet a lot of money he has been both places.

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Ricketts took on debt from the purchase of the team. He has bills he needs to pay. Of course, revenues go toward paying down debt. But a huge increase in revenue will lead to increased salaries and improved baseball related facilities and scouting. This is how professional sports has worked for the longest time. Ricketts is no cheaper than any other owner. No owner wants a team in the red. It is still a business.


The Cubs were the most profitable franshise in sports and their player salaries decreased. I don't think you even believe what you're saying here.

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Huh?


The rooftops behind the signs won't close. In fact, Ricketts will probably own them one day and people will continue to party on top during games, blocked views and all.

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This blogger has never been to Wrigley field, or watched a baseball game.

That's Neil Steinberg, you dipshit. Are you Larz?

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This blogger has never been to Wrigley field, or watched a baseball game.

That's Neil Steinberg, you dipshit. Are you Larz?

Who?

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This may portray many athletes, more now than ever, but is a generalization that is inaccurate for many players. Kobe Bryant is one example (good interview with Bill Simmons). Lebron James is another. Many players take hometown discounts, many players prioritize playing near home. James Shields just did this. Any time you start an article with a terrible generalization, you're gonna have a bad time.


Don't be ridiculous. LeBron left Cleveland once already and spit in its face with "The Decision". If Theo had offered six years Shields would be in a Cub uniform. He's right on.


If you'll care to remember, he is back in Cleveland now. If he was from Los Angeles, New York or Chicago, do you think he would be in Cleveland now? The fact that cities would need to overpay James Shields for him to go there over San Diego means that the city of San Diego means something to James Shields.

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This is false. The view isn't about the details, it is about the atmosphere of being there. You cannot tell if a pitch was on the black or not. True. But you're an 'overlord' of the entire ballpark. I've been on the rooftops about five times - I would rather be in the ballpark. But the players aren't ants. If you want to watch the game, you can. There are worse spots to be in the 200 section than sitting on a rooftop. While I am a huge fan of the videoboards and Wrigley construction, it will block some of the rooftop views. And that is a legitimate gripe...if there are no solid views of the game in the ballpark, suddenly it is just another rooftop in Chicago. And "just another rooftop" can't charge $150 a head.


You're mistaken. Most people on the roofs don't have your laser focus on the game. As long as it's across the street and the neighborhood is buzzing, it's not "just another rooftop in Chicago".
You don't need a laser focus. You just need to be able to glance over and see it. Again, I've been on a rooftop for five years straight now, with different crowds. I think I have a general idea.

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This blogger has never been to Wrigley field, or watched a baseball game.


I would bet a lot of money he has been to Wrigley Field.


Is he blind and deaf?

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And has never been to Addison nor Disney.


I would bet a lot of money he has been both places.


Is he blind and deaf?

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Ricketts took on debt from the purchase of the team. He has bills he needs to pay. Of course, revenues go toward paying down debt. But a huge increase in revenue will lead to increased salaries and improved baseball related facilities and scouting. This is how professional sports has worked for the longest time. Ricketts is no cheaper than any other owner. No owner wants a team in the red. It is still a business.


The Cubs were the most profitable franshise in sports and their player salaries decreased. I don't think you even believe what you're saying here.


In general, their baseball expenditures did not decrease.

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2014/12/ ... r-meetings

Money that was allocated for Tanaka is now being spent on 2015 and onward. 2016 is projected to increase even further.

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2015/2/1 ... es-shields

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Huh?


The rooftops behind the signs won't close. In fact, Ricketts will probably own them one day and people will continue to party on top during games, blocked views and all.


You understand that once Ricketts does own all the rooftops, the landscape of the billboards would be likely to change within a few years, yes?

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The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.

Dodgers will still be there, The Yankess no questions.....

They arent marketing to me, they want the newer fans, they want a new fan base. Its easy to see the plan. Its a business and they are to make money. Part of that plan needs to be winning to activate all the other components of the overall plan,

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The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.



Let me know when that happens.

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The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.
I don't want to misunderstand you but what does a big and long run mean?

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The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.
I don't want to misunderstand you but what does a big and long run mean?


It's just some more conservative thought from one of the many realistic Cub fans RPB is always telling us about.

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The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.



Let me know when that happens.


When I win the 3 year bet that not 1 Sox fan wants a piece of.

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The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.
I don't want to misunderstand you but what does a big and long run mean?


Money, Wins, Playoff races......

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 Post subject: Re: EDM CUBS
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
bigfan wrote:
The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.



Let me know when that happens.


When I win the 3 year bet that not 1 Sox fan wants a piece of.


:lol: Winning that bet wouldn't necessarily mean the Cubs were on some historic run.

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 Post subject: Re: EDM CUBS
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bigfan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
bigfan wrote:
The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.
I don't want to misunderstand you but what does a big and long run mean?


Money, Wins, Playoff races......
Plenty of teams will do that though.

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 Post subject: Re: EDM CUBS
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
bigfan wrote:
The Cubs are setting themselves up nice for a big and long run that not many other teams will be able to match in MLB.
I don't want to misunderstand you but what does a big and long run mean?


It's just some more conservative thought from one of the many realistic Cub fans RPB is always telling us about.

I myself would say they are attempting to set themselves up for a long run of success, time will tell if it works out.

I guess you guys need that caveat on the end of every statement.


BTW, dolphin is more optimistic than any Cub fan on this board who has never been married on a horse


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