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Don't want any of the college guys. They are overrated. The coaches at the pro level are much better. Calipari and the like would get their clocks cleaned in the NBA

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Haven't Calipari and Pitino both failed miserably in the pros? Nevertheless, I'm curious to see how Tom Izzo would do. Billy Donovan doesn't interest me; he had his chance to strike while the iron was hot and scurried back to Gainesville before training camp even opened.

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Haven't Calipari and Pitino both failed miserably in the pros? Nevertheless, I'm curious to see how Tom Izzo would do. Billy Donovan doesn't interest me; he had his chance to strike while the iron was hot and scurried back to Gainesville before training camp even opened.



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College coaches get rapped up in the "system" a little too much for my taste. They over coach and tend to believe in their own greatness and not the fact that anyone can win if you have 2-3 of the best players on your team each yr.

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Haven't Calipari and Pitino both failed miserably in the pros? Nevertheless, I'm curious to see how Tom Izzo would do. Billy Donovan doesn't interest me; he had his chance to strike while the iron was hot and scurried back to Gainesville before training camp even opened.



"Larry Bird is not walking through that door, fans. Kevin McHale is not walking through that door, and Robert Parish is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they're going to be gray and old. ... And as soon as they realize that those three guys are not coming through the door, the better this town will be for all of us. ... All this negativity that's in this town sucks."

Haha, yep. I think Calipari was just below-average with the Nets, whereas Pitino had a full-blown shitlosing and will probably never come back to the NBA.

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Pitino while with the Knicks was not bad. They overachieved. He bombed with the Celtics.

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Pitino while with the Knicks was not bad. They overachieved. He bombed with the Celtics.


Hot coach coming out of Providence? Didn't he take them to the final four? Of course having Ewing and Marc Jackson didn't hurt.

I fully believe he took the Celtic job thinking Duncan was in the bank. Once that fell apart he made a play for Pippen. When that didn't materialize he went Billups who really busted out in Boston, but went on to be a hell of a player.


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Pitino while with the Knicks was not bad. They overachieved. He bombed with the Celtics.


Hot coach coming out of Providence? Didn't he take them to the final four? Of course having Ewing and Marc Jackson didn't hurt.

I fully believe he took the Celtic job thinking Duncan was in the bank. Once that fell apart he made a play for Pippen. When that didn't materialize he went Billups who really busted out in Boston, but went on to be a hell of a player.


He took providence to a final four ironically with Billy Donovan as his star player. He had Jackson during the early yrs and had him playing the best ball of his career. Pitino allowed Jackson to play looser. He made the all star team and won rookie of the year under Pitino. Pitino banked on getting Duncan. That pressing style didn't work the second time around. Pros were exploiting it and getting layups off it. His guys were also dog tired from having to do it over 82 games. The genius label quickly came off him after that and in my opinion it has never returned.

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Pitino while with the Knicks was not bad. They overachieved. He bombed with the Celtics.


Hot coach coming out of Providence? Didn't he take them to the final four? Of course having Ewing and Marc Jackson didn't hurt.

I fully believe he took the Celtic job thinking Duncan was in the bank. Once that fell apart he made a play for Pippen. When that didn't materialize he went Billups who really busted out in Boston, but went on to be a hell of a player.


He took providence to a final four ironically with Billy Donovan as his star player. He had Jackson during the early yrs and had him playing the best ball of his career. Pitino allowed Jackson to play looser. He made the all star team and won rookie of the year under Pitino. Pitino banked on getting Duncan. That pressing style didn't work the second time around. Pros were exploiting it and getting layups off it. His guys were also dog tired from having to do it over 82 games. The genius label quickly came off him after that and in my opinion it has never returned.


You're spot on about that. That and relying on Kentucky players just because he was familiar with them didn't help.


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Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.





This was the original contention. A lot of factual information in here. It is interesting that there were a number of statements regarding his development of young players.

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How did Bobby Portis look last night? I keep asking, but nobody will tell me.


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Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.





This was the original contention. A lot of factual information in here. It is interesting that there were a number of statements regarding his development of young players.
Why bump a thread to show you were wrong? That isn't how it works.

Moore was 25 at the time, and seems to be developing into a contributor.

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How did Bobby Portis look last night? I keep asking, but nobody will tell me.

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There ...now shut the fuck up

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Thibs's refusal to play the younger players is probably the primary reason that he may be on the firing line. Young players are not developing under him. That's obvious. If there is a rift with management that is definitely something that would cause it.

Jimmy Butler only received time because Luol Deng was injured. Etwaun Moore is now receiving time over your last two first round picks. The Bulls traded two first round picks for McDermott and he doesn't play. Etwaun Moore has been released by some of the worst teams in the league. Mirotic is regressing as a player. All of this is occurring while Thibs trots out guys Hinrich and Moore that really can't play.

It is not getting much play right now but if Thibs is whacked I'm sure things will come out regarding his development of young players. This can't sit well with management because it is they that acquires the players. It is an indictment of GarPax's drafting ability if these players are not playing. That is something that would cause a definite rift between coach and management.





This was the original contention. A lot of factual information in here. It is interesting that there were a number of statements regarding his development of young players.
Why bump a thread to show you were wrong? That isn't how it works.

Moore was 25 at the time, and seems to be developing into a contributor.



i don't remember him playing during the playoffs how would you know that he is developing into a contributor? one game from last night?

Also can you specify how I was wrong? I noted that Snell should be playing in front of Moore and now he is. I know that stuff about different positions will come up but at the time Thibs was playing Moore as a backup two guard. He continues to play some backup two now. The contributor stuff is predicated on him beating out Hinrich. Hinrich is hurt which is why Moore is playing.

The market correction that should have taken place in Feb. has and thus no need to continue the fight.

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How did Bobby Portis look last night? I keep asking, but nobody will tell me.

Better than Tyrus Thomas and Portis didn't play.

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i don't remember him playing during the playoffs how would you know that he is developing into a contributor? one game from last night?

Also can you specify how I was wrong? I noted that Snell should be playing in front of Moore and now he is. I know that stuff about different positions will come up but at the time Thibs was playing Moore as a backup two guard. He continues to play some backup two now. The contributor stuff is predicated on him beating out Hinrich. Hinrich is hurt which is why Moore is playing.

The market correction that should have taken place in Feb. has and thus no need to continue the fight.
Playing Moore was the right move if he develops into a contributor, and I say he will.

Either say Moore won't be a contributor or admit he will be one and then we'll see.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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i don't remember him playing during the playoffs how would you know that he is developing into a contributor? one game from last night?

Also can you specify how I was wrong? I noted that Snell should be playing in front of Moore and now he is. I know that stuff about different positions will come up but at the time Thibs was playing Moore as a backup two guard. He continues to play some backup two now. The contributor stuff is predicated on him beating out Hinrich. Hinrich is hurt which is why Moore is playing.

The market correction that should have taken place in Feb. has and thus no need to continue the fight.
Playing Moore was the right move if he develops into a contributor, and I say he will.

Either say Moore won't be a contributor or admit he will be one and then we'll see.


You done fucked up, long time guy, calling out a Boilermaker with Rick on the prowl

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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i don't remember him playing during the playoffs how would you know that he is developing into a contributor? one game from last night?

Also can you specify how I was wrong? I noted that Snell should be playing in front of Moore and now he is. I know that stuff about different positions will come up but at the time Thibs was playing Moore as a backup two guard. He continues to play some backup two now. The contributor stuff is predicated on him beating out Hinrich. Hinrich is hurt which is why Moore is playing.

The market correction that should have taken place in Feb. has and thus no need to continue the fight.
Playing Moore was the right move if he develops into a contributor, and I say he will.

Either say Moore won't be a contributor or admit he will be one and then we'll see.


You done fucked up, long time guy, calling out a Boilermaker with Rick on the prowl



I know. There isn't an end in sight for this debate. E'twaun Moore Brick? You had far more capital during your Melo bashing Era.

I think this might be a fine time to debate the relative greatness of one Rick Mount. Might as well bash all Boiler maker greats while I'm at it. Steve Scheffler. Russell Cross.

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I know. There isn't an end in sight for this debate. E'twaun Moore Brick? You had far more capital during your Melo bashing Era.
good dolphin was just baiting you.

Moore is going to be a contributor this year. Complaining that he was getting playing time last year is proving to be wrong.

They took a guy who was almost out of the league and they are turning him into a player that can give you a contribution. That was good by Thibs and Hoiberg will continue it.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I know. There isn't an end in sight for this debate. E'twaun Moore Brick? You had far more capital during your Melo bashing Era.
good dolphin was just baiting you.

Moore is going to be a contributor this year. Complaining that he was getting playing time last year is proving to be wrong.

They took a guy who was almost out of the league and they are turning him into a player that can give you a contribution. That was good by Thibs and Hoiberg will continue it.



He is roster filler. Capable of having a good game or two. He will not be a consistent contributor. If he is anywhere in the top ten of rotation guys the Bulls are in trouble.

My point was that he should not have been playing in front of Snell and quite obviously Hoi berg agrees. I don't know where I was wrong. He isn't that good no matter how you slice it.

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He is roster filler. Capable of having a good game or two. He will not be a consistent contributor. If he is anywhere in the top ten of rotation guys the Bulls are in trouble.
Here we go. Something we can bump without you screaming "spin".

Moore will be in the top ten of rotation guys and a consistent contributor. You disagree. See you in January!

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long time guy wrote:
He is roster filler. Capable of having a good game or two. He will not be a consistent contributor. If he is anywhere in the top ten of rotation guys the Bulls are in trouble.
Here we go. Something we can bump without you screaming "spin".

Moore will be in the top ten of rotation guys and a consistent contributor. You disagree. See you in January!


I will be around. Let's establish the Top ten of the rotation
5 starters from last night
bench players that will play in front of Moore

Gibson
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Dunleavy/Snell
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Moore.

I don't see how he cracks the top ten. He has to beat out two guys in order for that to happen. See you in January.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He is roster filler. Capable of having a good game or two. He will not be a consistent contributor. If he is anywhere in the top ten of rotation guys the Bulls are in trouble.
Here we go. Something we can bump without you screaming "spin".

Moore will be in the top ten of rotation guys and a consistent contributor. You disagree. See you in January!


I'm with Brick on this one. (go ahead and use that for a sig)


Moore looks like a solid rotation guy. Plays smart, hits shots, defends, can handle the ball. What's not to like?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He is roster filler. Capable of having a good game or two. He will not be a consistent contributor. If he is anywhere in the top ten of rotation guys the Bulls are in trouble.
Here we go. Something we can bump without you screaming "spin".

Moore will be in the top ten of rotation guys and a consistent contributor. You disagree. See you in January!


I will be around. Let's establish the Top ten of the rotation
5 starters from last night
bench players that will play in front of Moore

Gibson
Noah
McDermott
Dunleavy/Snell
Brooks
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Hinrich


Moore.

I don't see how he cracks the top ten. He has to beat out two guys in order for that to happen. See you in January.
Ok, but if he is in the top ten in minutes you'll admit you are wrong right?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
He is roster filler. Capable of having a good game or two. He will not be a consistent contributor. If he is anywhere in the top ten of rotation guys the Bulls are in trouble.
Here we go. Something we can bump without you screaming "spin".

Moore will be in the top ten of rotation guys and a consistent contributor. You disagree. See you in January!


I will be around. Let's establish the Top ten of the rotation
5 starters from last night
bench players that will play in front of Moore

Gibson
Noah
McDermott
Dunleavy/Snell
Brooks
Portis
Hinrich


Moore.

I don't see how he cracks the top ten. He has to beat out two guys in order for that to happen. See you in January.
Ok, but if he is in the top ten in minutes you'll admit you are wrong right?



That is actually a better metric. If that happens yes I will. Guys like McDermott coming off injury may be subject to minutes restrictions but it shouldn't really matter because they will be taking minutes away from guys like Moore.

You probably should ask Brick what it will take for him. He is more of a battler than I am.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He is roster filler. Capable of having a good game or two. He will not be a consistent contributor. If he is anywhere in the top ten of rotation guys the Bulls are in trouble.
Here we go. Something we can bump without you screaming "spin".

Moore will be in the top ten of rotation guys and a consistent contributor. You disagree. See you in January!


I will be around. Let's establish the Top ten of the rotation
5 starters from last night
bench players that will play in front of Moore

Gibson
Noah
McDermott
Dunleavy/Snell
Brooks
Portis
Hinrich


Moore.

I don't see how he cracks the top ten. He has to beat out two guys in order for that to happen. See you in January.

Hinrich did not play last night and neither did Portis. I could see Portis cracking the rotation, but Hinrich won't see the floor unless injuries begin to pile up.


I think Hinrich may be injured. Not a fan but he is still better than Moore. We will see in about 30 games where we are with it.

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