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yesterday was a bloodbath

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The last 10 days have really set me back. Need to dig my heels in here. I get married in 3 months and would like to
lose 15 lbs. I should be able to do 1.5 lbs a week, I just need to put in the work and have some discipline.

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Started 2015 at 235, ballooned to 242 at mid-Feb and now sitting at 231.

Since last week of February I've been consistent in lifting 4 times a week and running 5 miles run once a week. Sometimes it's only 3 lifts and 2 jogs. I just want to ensure there's 5 days of activity over a rolling 7 day period.

Combined the exercise with not having any chocolate/candy/pastries/ice cream or chips since February.

The weight loss isn't as drastic as you'd think as the exercise causes me to eat like a horse.

Can't wait for the weather to be stay warm. I am a diva about not running outside when it's cold. I'm much more inclined to go for a spontaneous run when its warm or lengthen the run because I'm enjoying the weather/scenery.


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I really want to start jogging outside. I walk a lot with my dog and also playing golf but I need to do something to ramp up the
cardio. I was out of town on vacation last weekend and of course this was Easter weekend so I ate like a complete shit heel and
put on like 5-6 lbs.

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I really want to start jogging outside. I walk a lot with my dog and also playing golf but I need to do something to ramp up the
cardio. I was out of town on vacation last weekend and of course this was Easter weekend so I ate like a complete shit heel and
put on like 5-6 lbs.

I'm a huge baby about running when it's cold. But I think lazyness factors into the hatred. Gotta throw on more layers, gloves and the warm up is much longer. I tend to minimize a proper warm up in anticipation of the run. When it's cold this has led to many tender hamstrings the next day.

Easier to pound the pavement for myself when all I need is shorts & a t-shirt and less spent warming up. The excuses are harder to make. Plus when it's warmer there's a lot more to observe be it people or nature.


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I really want to start jogging outside. I walk a lot with my dog and also playing golf but I need to do something to ramp up the
cardio. I was out of town on vacation last weekend and of course this was Easter weekend so I ate like a complete shit heel and
put on like 5-6 lbs.

I'm a huge baby about running when it's cold. But I think lazyness factors into the hatred. Gotta throw on more layers, gloves and the warm up is much longer. I tend to minimize a proper warm up in anticipation of the run. When it's cold this has led to many tender hamstrings the next day.

Easier to pound the pavement for myself when all I need is shorts & a t-shirt and less spent warming up. The excuses are harder to make. Plus when it's warmer there's a lot more to observe be it people or nature.


I'll try to get out a couple times this week and see how it goes. Doubt I will be able to go more than a few miles but its a start.

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I used to run to music but now I've switched to podcasts. I find they fit perfectly with distance runs.

However, I need music while lifting. I imagine if I was running intervals instead of distance the podcasts wouldn't work and I'd need music.


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I fell off the wagon yesterday. Today its back to meat, fish, fruits, veggies & vodka...nothing else.

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Started 2015 at 235, ballooned to 242 at mid-Feb and now sitting at 231.

Since last week of February I've been consistent in lifting 4 times a week and running 5 miles run once a week. Sometimes it's only 3 lifts and 2 jogs. I just want to ensure there's 5 days of activity over a rolling 7 day period.

Combined the exercise with not having any chocolate/candy/pastries/ice cream or chips since February.

The weight loss isn't as drastic as you'd think as the exercise causes me to eat like a horse.

Can't wait for the weather to be stay warm. I am a diva about not running outside when it's cold. I'm much more inclined to go for a spontaneous run when its warm or lengthen the run because I'm enjoying the weather/scenery.


Diet, diet, diet, exercise.

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Diet, diet, diet, exercise.

In that order. As long as there is consistency in attendance you'll be fine.

Yea, it's pretty interesting looking at my previous typical eating habits once chips, chocolate, candy and other snackable items were cut.

The rollout of all these "healthy" snack is counterproductive and a sneak attack on diets. Once I snipped out the Baked chips, nut clusters, etc I saw losses.

denis has touched on this before but becoming careful with meals is important. Exercising kinda of tricks you into excusing pigging out. The appetite after a workout is fired up. Damn salads with grilled chicken instead of a plate of pasta with meatballs are on kirkwood's plate now.


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Who's lost 61.6 lbs and is now closer to 200 than 400 lbs? This guy! 299.9 as of this morning.


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Being healthy is simple, right? "Eat less, move more." That's easy to say, but practicality is one of the most important things when it comes to health and fitness. Recommendations like this are blanket statements that don't address practicality—so when it comes down to it, which is more important? Diet, or exercise?

Yes, we should all eat healthier. Yes, we should exercise every day. There are infinite things we could do in order to be healthier, like sit less, eat more vegetables, eat less processed food, or drink less alcohol. But they don't take into account the reality of life: we are all constrained by a finite amount of resources such as time, energy, willpower, and money. Recommendations that don't take this into account can easily make us feel like we are failing our fitness and health goals.

To give you a sense of the importance of practicality, consider this recent meta-study (i.e. a study of studies), published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which sought to figure out "which diet works best?" by looking at the results of 59 individual studies. These studies included various nutritional recommendations, such as low-fat, low-carb, and so on. Which of these recommendations reigned king? None. There were no major differences between the diets, and success was completely dependent on what the individual could adhere to. In other words, practicality reigned king.

Similarly, one of the most frequent questions that's asked by aspiring fitness enthusiasts is "Which is more important: diet or exercise?" With practicality in mind, we decided to take a look at the evidence.

A Primer on Calories


At a physiological level, weight loss and weight gain revolve around caloric consumption and expenditure*. Because of this, it's important to understand the basics of calories. Put simply: we lose weight when we eat less calories than we expend. Conversely, we gain weight when we eat more calories than we expend. In order to lose one pound of fat, we must create a 3,500 calorie deficit, which can be achieved either through exercise or diet.

*As an aside, it's worth noting that some argue that carbohydrates and insulin are the culprits behind weight loss and weight gain in what is called "the insulin hypothesis of obesity." While controlling both carbohydrates and insulin may be important for some individuals, this hypothesis has been thoroughly debunked.

Let's say that a 200 pound man wants to lose one pound in a week. Through exercise alone, he needs to run about 3.5 miles per day (or 24.5 miles total), assuming his diet stays the same. Through dieting alone, he needs to cut back 500 calories/day (the equivalent of two Starbucks Frappuccinos), given his exercise regime stays the same. Theoretically, the two should achieve the same results.

But in the world of fitness theory and reality are not the same thing, because theory does not account for adherence. We don't live in a magical house that contains a gym, a Whole Foods, and a personal staff of nutritionists and trainers. Instead, we're left about our own devices in everyday life. What happens then?

What the Research Says

Dr. John Briffa, who runs an excellent health blog, analyzed a study examining weight loss without dietary intervention here. He explains:

In this study, 320 post-menopausal women whose weight ranged from normal to obese were randomised to either an additional exercise or no additional exercise group (the control group). Those in the exercise group were instructed to take 45 minutes worth of moderate-vigorous aerobic exercise, 5 times a week for a year. Both groups (the additional exercise and the control group) were instructed not to change their diets.

At the end of the year, it was found that the exercise group, compared to the control group, lost an average of 2 kg (4.4 lbs) of fat. I'd say that quite a lot of us would be glad to drop a couple of kgs of fat. But now I'd also like to focus on what these women had to do to achieve this loss.

While the exercise group were instructed to exercise 5 times a week for 45 minutes, what they actually did was exercise for an average of 3.6 days each week. Total exercise time averaged 178.5 mins per week. We can multiply this by 52 to get the total number of minutes exercise over the course of the year, and divide this by 60 to convert it into hours. Doing this, we get a total of just under 155 hours. That's about 77 hours of exercise for each kg of fat lost.

Most people would balk at the idea of exercising for 77 hours to lose 1 kg of fat. (Or equivalently 35 hours to lose 1 pound, for us American folk.)

But what about simultaneously exercising and accounting for dietary intake?

One study, published in the International Journal of Obesity and Related Metabolic Disorders, took trained subjects and had them track dietary intake along with energy expenditure. On paper, there was an overall caloric deficit created by the subjects. However, when researchers examined empirical changes, no weight was actually lost. As it turns out, subjects were simultaneously underestimating caloric intake and overestimating caloric expenditure.

Compare the studies above to the hilarious self-experiment by a nutritionist who went on the "Twinkie Diet" and subsequently lost 27 pound in 10 weeks. (Pro tip: Don't try this at home.)

Why Exercise-Focused Regimens are Relatively Ineffective for Weight Loss

If you're perplexed by the information above, don't worry. There's a simple explanation behind it, which we'll break up into two parts

Reason 1. Calorie expenditure through exercise is relatively small in the grand scheme of things.

In order to see why exercise-focused weight loss programs might yield low efficacy, it's important to understand the accounting behind our daily caloric expenditure.

We spend most of our calories every day just "staying alive." This is known as our "resting metabolic rate." The Katch-McArdle formula, which takes into account one's body fat percentage, is the most accurate way to calculate this number, which is equivalent to:

9.81 x your amount of non-fat mass + 370 calories per day

Let's say you are a 200 pound man who is at 30% body fat. You expend 1,743 calories per day just staying alive. (200 x (1-.30) * 9.81 + 370 calories)

He'll expend about 10% on top of that by what's known as the Thermic Effect of Food (TEF): the amount of calories that he spends digesting and absorbing his dietary intake.

Add another 10% on top of that through a metabolic process known as NEAT ( Non Exercise Adaptive Thermogenesis). This is the amount of calories wasted through things such as fidgeting. Unfortunately, this can vary greatly from individual to individual.

This means that without so much as getting out of bed, our subject has already expended 2,100 calories.

Now, add another 10% for getting out of bed and going about his daily routine and he's already burned 2,300 calories.

Adding exercise into the equation barely makes a dent in his overall caloric expenditure; most of the work is done before he puts on his running shoes. Now I am not saying that you shouldn't exercise, but rather, it's important to realize where a majority of your caloric expenditure is coming from. You wouldn't take up a paper route in order to supplement a 100k/year salary, would you?

Reason 2. People are horrible estimators of calories in vs. calories out.

Take a look at another study, this one in the Journal of Sports Medicine and Physical Fitness, in which researchers asked the subjects to exercise, estimate their caloric expenditure, and then took them to a buffet afterwards. Subjects were asked to consume the amount of food that they believed they burned in calories. (Sidenote: Where can I sign up for one of these?)

The subjects ended up eating 2-3 times the amount of calories that they burned.

The takeaway from all of this information is that calorie expenditure doesn't count for much, and human beings are generally terrible at estimating both expenditure and intake.

How to Effectively Incorporate Diet and Exercise

To make more sense of incorporating diet with exercise, I turned to my friend and obesity expert, Dr. Yoni Freedhoff. Yoni runs one of the largest obesity clinics in Canada and has helped countless individuals lose weight with a health and fitness approach. Yoni explains:

Most people I see struggle far more with their kitchens than with their gyms. They'll readily find 30 minutes or more a day to hit the gym, go for walks, or simply up their daily activity by parking further away and taking the stairs more often, than they will for packing a lunch, prepping ingredients, cooking dinner, or keeping a food diary. I think in part it's because that's what the world believes — fuelled no doubt by shows like The Biggest Loser, and by the huge amount of money the food industry is throwing at the message of 'balancing' energy-in with energy-out, but also because we don't get endorphin rushes from chopping vegetables or washing tupperware.

He then goes on to elaborate.

Most folks want to lose weight and to improve health and so both gyms and kitchens are required. That said, if weight's a primary concern, I'd never ditch the kitchen in order to find the time to exercise. Instead take the total amount of time you think you're willing to spend in the gym, and formally dedicate at least a third of that to the kitchen. As far as optimal amounts go, a person needs to like the life they're living if they're going to sustain it, so what's right and optimal for one person will be too little or too much for another. The simplest litmus test question to ask is, "could I live like this forever," and if the answer is "no," you'll need to change something up.

Given that Yoni has worked with a tremendous amount of successful patients, I asked for their commonalities.

The people who are most successful are those who embrace both consistency and imperfection. Think of starting out a weight management or healthy living program like you would a martial art. You'd never expect yourself to have a black belt from the get go. Instead, you'd start with really basic moves that you'd practice over and over and over again, you'd fall down a bunch, and doing so would be an expectation, and not a disappointment. And then slowly but surely you'd get better and better at it. Same thing is true when building any skill set, including healthful living, and just like you might be able to picture a jumping spinning hook kick in your mind's eye when you start out at your dojo, that doesn't mean you'll be able to simply do one. So, too, with healthy living. Sure you might have a mind's eye idea of what your healthy lifestyle should look like when you're done, but getting there will be slow, plodding, and will include many falls.

He also shares some more great tips.

Never eat lunch out unless someone else is buying. Doing less exercise consistently is better than doing more intermittently – there are virtually no studies on diet or exercise that are long enough in duration to translate into lifelong recommendations or conclusions. Spending 2-3 minutes a day with a food diary is likely to have a bigger impact on your weight than 30 minutes a day in the gym.

Where to Go From Here

Ok, so I've given you a lot of information suggesting that exercise, as the sole means of creating weight loss, is relatively inefficient or even counterproductive. Here are the steps that you should take to best ensure your success.

Determine how many calories you expend every single day. You can use ExRx's calculator here. For best accuracy, calculate this by body fat percentage. If you don't know your current body fat percentage you can use this helpful article by Leigh Peele.
Reduce your calorie intake by 20% of your maintenance calories. Any time you decrease your caloric intake, it's helpful to simultaneously increase your amount of protein in order to stay satiated. (Protein also has the higher Thermic Effect of Food out of any macronutrient, meaning your body needs to expend more energy to digest it in comparison to carbs or fats.)

How much protein should you be eating on a caloric deficit? Nutritionist Alan Aragon recommends figuring out your target body weight and getting that amount in grams. For example, if you are a 200 pound woman who wants to get down to 120 pounds, consume at least 120g of protein per day.
Once you are comfortable with counting calories, consider switching to counting macronutrients instead. Focusing on macronutrients, rather than calories calories, is a nice "hack" to disrupt the fact that people (myself included) are often translating exercise and eating into the same currency: calories. You can learn all about the basics of how to count macros here.

You'll notice that the weight loss recommendation above makes no mention of exercise. But while you shouldn't be factoring exercise into your caloric expenditure or intake, you should still be incorporating it as much as practical

"Sure, weight is lost in the kitchen," says Dr. Freedhoff. "But health is gained in the gyms."


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Reinforces my prior argument and experience.

"Exercise 'not key to obesity fight'
By Nick Triggle Health correspondent

Physical activity has little role in tackling obesity - and instead public health messages should squarely focus on unhealthy eating, doctors say.

In an editorial in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, three international experts said it was time to "bust the myth" about exercise.

They said while activity was a key part of staving off diseases such as diabetes, heart disease and dementia, its impact on obesity was minimal.

Instead excess sugar and carbohydrates were key.

The experts, including London cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra, blamed the food industry for encouraging the belief that exercise could counteract the impact of unhealthy eating.

An obese person does not need to do one iota of exercise to lose weight, they just need to eat less
Dr Aseem Malhotra, Cardiologist

They even likened their tactics as "chillingly similar" to those of Big Tobacco on smoking and said celebrity endorsements of sugary drinks and the association of junk food and sport must end.

They said there was evidence that up to 40% of those within a normal weight range will still harbour harmful metabolic abnormalities typically associated with obesity.

But despite this public health messaging had "unhelpfully" focused on maintaining a healthy weight through calorie counting when it was the source of calories that mattered most - research has shown that diabetes increases 11-fold for every 150 additional sugar calories consumed compared to fat calories.

And they pointed to evidence from the Lancet global burden of disease programme which shows that unhealthy eating was linked to more ill health than physical activity, alcohol and smoking combined.
'Unscientific'

Dr Malhotra said: "An obese person does not need to do one iota of exercise to lose weight, they just need to eat less. My biggest concern is that the messaging that is coming to the public suggests you can eat what you like as long as you exercise.

"That is unscientific and wrong. You cannot outrun a bad diet."

But others said it was risky to play down the role of exercise. Prof Mark Baker, of the National Institute of Health and Care Excellence, which recommends "well-balanced diets combined with physical activity", said it would be "idiotic" to rule out the importance of physical activity.

Ian Wright, director general at Food and Drink Federation, said: "The benefits of physical activity aren't food industry hype or conspiracy, as suggested. A healthy lifestyle will include both a balanced diet and exercise."

He said the industry was encouraging a balanced diet by voluntarily providing clear on-pack nutrition information and offering products with extra nutrients and less salt, sugar and fat.

"This article appears to undermine the origins of the evidence-based government public health advice, which must surely be confusing for consumers," he said. "

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-32417699

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Reinforces my prior argument and experience.

"Exercise 'not key to obesity fight'
By Nick Triggle Health correspondent

Physical activity has little role in tackling obesity - and instead public health messages should squarely focus on unhealthy eating, doctors say.

In an editorial in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, three international experts said it was time to "bust the myth" about exercise.

They said while activity was a key part of staving off diseases such as diabetes, heart disease and dementia, its impact on obesity was minimal.

Instead excess sugar and carbohydrates were key.

The experts, including London cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra, blamed the food industry for encouraging the belief that exercise could counteract the impact of unhealthy eating.

An obese person does not need to do one iota of exercise to lose weight, they just need to eat less
Dr Aseem Malhotra, Cardiologist

They even likened their tactics as "chillingly similar" to those of Big Tobacco on smoking and said celebrity endorsements of sugary drinks and the association of junk food and sport must end.

They said there was evidence that up to 40% of those within a normal weight range will still harbour harmful metabolic abnormalities typically associated with obesity.

But despite this public health messaging had "unhelpfully" focused on maintaining a healthy weight through calorie counting when it was the source of calories that mattered most - research has shown that diabetes increases 11-fold for every 150 additional sugar calories consumed compared to fat calories.

And they pointed to evidence from the Lancet global burden of disease programme which shows that unhealthy eating was linked to more ill health than physical activity, alcohol and smoking combined.
'Unscientific'

Dr Malhotra said: "An obese person does not need to do one iota of exercise to lose weight, they just need to eat less. My biggest concern is that the messaging that is coming to the public suggests you can eat what you like as long as you exercise.

"That is unscientific and wrong. You cannot outrun a bad diet."

But others said it was risky to play down the role of exercise. Prof Mark Baker, of the National Institute of Health and Care Excellence, which recommends "well-balanced diets combined with physical activity", said it would be "idiotic" to rule out the importance of physical activity.

Ian Wright, director general at Food and Drink Federation, said: "The benefits of physical activity aren't food industry hype or conspiracy, as suggested. A healthy lifestyle will include both a balanced diet and exercise."

He said the industry was encouraging a balanced diet by voluntarily providing clear on-pack nutrition information and offering products with extra nutrients and less salt, sugar and fat.

"This article appears to undermine the origins of the evidence-based government public health advice, which must surely be confusing for consumers," he said. "

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-32417699


Nothing groundbreaking there, though.

Diet is king but exercise is for further reduction, health, fitness and quality of life.

Combine the two and you have magic, denis, MAGIC.


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Why Exercise-Focused Regimens are Relatively Ineffective for Weight Loss

If you're perplexed by the information above, don't worry. There's a simple explanation behind it, which we'll break up into two parts

Reason 1. Calorie expenditure through exercise is relatively small in the grand scheme of things.

In order to see why exercise-focused weight loss programs might yield low efficacy, it's important to understand the accounting behind our daily caloric expenditure.

We spend most of our calories every day just "staying alive." This is known as our "resting metabolic rate." The Katch-McArdle formula, which takes into account one's body fat percentage, is the most accurate way to calculate this number, which is equivalent to:

9.81 x your amount of non-fat mass + 370 calories per day

Let's say you are a 200 pound man who is at 30% body fat. You expend 1,743 calories per day just staying alive. (200 x (1-.30) * 9.81 + 370 calories)

He'll expend about 10% on top of that by what's known as the Thermic Effect of Food (TEF): the amount of calories that he spends digesting and absorbing his dietary intake.

Add another 10% on top of that through a metabolic process known as NEAT ( Non Exercise Adaptive Thermogenesis). This is the amount of calories wasted through things such as fidgeting. Unfortunately, this can vary greatly from individual to individual.

This means that without so much as getting out of bed, our subject has already expended 2,100 calories.

Now, add another 10% for getting out of bed and going about his daily routine and he's already burned 2,300 calories.

Here's the rough calc for myself:

230*(1-19%BF)+370=2,197.60
TFE = 2,197.60*1.1
NEAT = 2,417.36*1.1
Katch-McArdle = 2,659.10 daily burn

My work outs I aim to burn 500 calories strength training or 700-800 cardio.

Very eye opening when weighing 800 calorie burgers and fries or 300 salad when determining lunch. 45 minutes of busting ass erased in a 15 minute meal.



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denisdman wrote:
Reinforces my prior argument and experience.

"Exercise 'not key to obesity fight'
By Nick Triggle Health correspondent

Physical activity has little role in tackling obesity - and instead public health messages should squarely focus on unhealthy eating, doctors say.

In an editorial in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, three international experts said it was time to "bust the myth" about exercise.

They said while activity was a key part of staving off diseases such as diabetes, heart disease and dementia, its impact on obesity was minimal.

Instead excess sugar and carbohydrates were key.

The experts, including London cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra, blamed the food industry for encouraging the belief that exercise could counteract the impact of unhealthy eating.

An obese person does not need to do one iota of exercise to lose weight, they just need to eat less
Dr Aseem Malhotra, Cardiologist

They even likened their tactics as "chillingly similar" to those of Big Tobacco on smoking and said celebrity endorsements of sugary drinks and the association of junk food and sport must end.

They said there was evidence that up to 40% of those within a normal weight range will still harbour harmful metabolic abnormalities typically associated with obesity.

But despite this public health messaging had "unhelpfully" focused on maintaining a healthy weight through calorie counting when it was the source of calories that mattered most - research has shown that diabetes increases 11-fold for every 150 additional sugar calories consumed compared to fat calories.

And they pointed to evidence from the Lancet global burden of disease programme which shows that unhealthy eating was linked to more ill health than physical activity, alcohol and smoking combined.
'Unscientific'

Dr Malhotra said: "An obese person does not need to do one iota of exercise to lose weight, they just need to eat less. My biggest concern is that the messaging that is coming to the public suggests you can eat what you like as long as you exercise.

"That is unscientific and wrong. You cannot outrun a bad diet."

But others said it was risky to play down the role of exercise. Prof Mark Baker, of the National Institute of Health and Care Excellence, which recommends "well-balanced diets combined with physical activity", said it would be "idiotic" to rule out the importance of physical activity.

Ian Wright, director general at Food and Drink Federation, said: "The benefits of physical activity aren't food industry hype or conspiracy, as suggested. A healthy lifestyle will include both a balanced diet and exercise."

He said the industry was encouraging a balanced diet by voluntarily providing clear on-pack nutrition information and offering products with extra nutrients and less salt, sugar and fat.

"This article appears to undermine the origins of the evidence-based government public health advice, which must surely be confusing for consumers," he said. "

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-32417699


Nothing groundbreaking there, though.

Diet is king but exercise is for further reduction, health, fitness and quality of life.

Combine the two and you have magic, denis, MAGIC.



Completely agree on combining the two. Since the beginning of the year, I've been consistent with both and plan meals around my workouts. I guess it does seem like some people think they can cheat more when exercising, but man that's never crossed my mind. From eating well and consistently working out, I'm now down a little over 65 lbs and I'm stronger than I've ever been. Got 355 up on Friday for the first time ever. It's completely addicting seeing positive results and you just want take it up another notch. If I wasn't working out, I highly doubt I'd be able to keep up the healthy eating. Doing both, they just feed off each other.


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Why Exercise-Focused Regimens are Relatively Ineffective for Weight Loss

If you're perplexed by the information above, don't worry. There's a simple explanation behind it, which we'll break up into two parts

Reason 1. Calorie expenditure through exercise is relatively small in the grand scheme of things.

In order to see why exercise-focused weight loss programs might yield low efficacy, it's important to understand the accounting behind our daily caloric expenditure.

We spend most of our calories every day just "staying alive." This is known as our "resting metabolic rate." The Katch-McArdle formula, which takes into account one's body fat percentage, is the most accurate way to calculate this number, which is equivalent to:

9.81 x your amount of non-fat mass + 370 calories per day

Let's say you are a 200 pound man who is at 30% body fat. You expend 1,743 calories per day just staying alive. (200 x (1-.30) * 9.81 + 370 calories)

He'll expend about 10% on top of that by what's known as the Thermic Effect of Food (TEF): the amount of calories that he spends digesting and absorbing his dietary intake.

Add another 10% on top of that through a metabolic process known as NEAT ( Non Exercise Adaptive Thermogenesis). This is the amount of calories wasted through things such as fidgeting. Unfortunately, this can vary greatly from individual to individual.

This means that without so much as getting out of bed, our subject has already expended 2,100 calories.

Now, add another 10% for getting out of bed and going about his daily routine and he's already burned 2,300 calories.

Here's the rough calc for myself:

230*(1-19%BF)+370=2,197.60
TFE = 2,197.60*1.1
NEAT = 2,417.36*1.1
Katch-McArdle = 2,659.10 daily burn

My work outs I aim to burn 500 calories strength training or 700-800 cardio.

Very eye opening when weighing 800 calorie burgers and fries or 300 salad when determining lunch. 45 minutes of busting ass erased in a 15 minute meal.



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"Sure, weight is lost in the kitchen," says Dr. Freedhoff. "But health is gained in the gyms."

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If I plan on having some triple stack bacon cheeseburger with cheese fries and a huge coke I'll plan my diet 2-3 days ahead of it.

But, if you're consistent with diet/exercise and avoid all-day snacking you can have those things every once and a while and be totally OK.


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my Lenten fast rarely involves much exercise, certainly not an increase and it is good for 1+ pounds per week of loss, even with drinking

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Sneakers any more updates!?!?

I'm down to 229 since 241 in March.

My diet has loosened since April. Need to tighten it back up for the home stretch.


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Sneakers any more updates!?!?

I'm down to 229 since 241 in March.

My diet has loosened since April. Need to tighten it back up for the home stretch.


What have you been doing? I am trying to get under 240 and haven't been able to do it.

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Sneakers any more updates!?!?

I'm down to 229 since 241 in March.

My diet has loosened since April. Need to tighten it back up for the home stretch.

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So it's been a real slow grind T-Bone. My body seems to really love the 230-240 sweet spot.

I cut out pop completely. Not even diet. When I drink pop I tend to want junk food with it. Tried to limit beer consumption to weekends only. Holy heck does beer calories add up.

I cut out chips/sweets/chocolate/candy/ice cream etc for a month. I've slowly started to have a few pieces of chocolate or chips here or there. But I have a sweet tooth so I've tried to keep those items still to a minimum.

Been using myfitnesspal to track my daily caloric intake. I don't hit my goals everyday (weekends I struggle) but it keeps me honest.

breakfast: usually yogurt & protein bar or 2 eggs & pieces bacon if I have time to cook
mid-morning snack: almonds & rasins and then a piece of fruit
lunch: side salad and soup (my building has a cafeteria)
afternoon snack: fruit and maybe sneak some more almonds (but they add up so I shouldn't)
dinner: this is where i screw myself. try to shoot for some chicken, veggies or salad with veggies. but other times i make hot dogs, pasta/sausage, easy stuff since i'm tired.

i aim to lift 4 days a week, run 2 days a week (~4 miles) and 1 day of rest.

sometimes its 2 days of lifting 2 runs 1 rest and 2 lifts or 3 lifts, 1 run, 1 lift, 1 run, 1 rest....just do 6 days of exercise in 7 days.

i bought a heart rate monitor and that's been very helpful in making sure my workouts are effective. before getting one I was overestimating my calories burned in workouts. it's also essentially shamed me into reducing my rest times. a minute or minute half before sets and get back to moving.

i've always been stockier kid so i really got to work my ass off.


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good info. I make poor diet choices. I walk 5 miles a day just doing my average everyday thing at work and walking my dog. I really need to start trying to
run a 5K 3-4 times a week and maybe some lifting. I don't like lifting much and really don't like to during golf season as that tends to mess me up. My Achilles
heel lately has been ice cream and going out to eat. I need to put a stop to each.

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the way i framed and have to frame some food choices is whether it's worth the effort. on the previous page is the article how you can't exercise your pounds away and it's true.

last night i ran 4ish miles in 42 minutes (stupid wind!!!) and I burned 700 calories. my lifts are average around 500-600 calories.

if i was to drink a 20oz Pepsi and 2 ounce bag of cheetos that's 570 calories or 45 minutes of busting my ass lifting!!!

when put in those terms i started choosing the apple. :D

also i drink a ton of water.


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the way i framed and have to frame some food choices is whether it's worth the effort. on the previous page is the article how you can't exercise your pounds away and it's true.

last night i ran 4ish miles in 42 minutes (stupid wind!!!) and I burned 700 calories. my lifts are average around 500-600 calories.

if i was to drink a 20oz Pepsi and 2 ounce bag of cheetos that's 570 calories or 45 minutes of busting my ass lifting!!!

when put in those terms i started choosing the apple. :D

also i drink a ton of water.


Yeah, that is true. I know it takes a lot of effort to burn the calories that only take you 10 minutes to consume. Portion control is my other issue. My soon to be wife has
been encouraging me to use small plates which is probably a good idea. My problem is I know how to stack food really high. :(

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Down to 226.

Sneakers! Got any updates!

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