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Unless you consider Jim Callis and Baseball America as part of the Cardinal apparatus, I'd say most of the hype was created outside of the organization. Shelby Miller was highly touted (and Tyrell Jenkins, for that matter) but both were deemed expendable and shipped to Atlanta for Heyward. I'm not suggesting you are flat-out wrong in your observation; i am suggesting that management and media may portray prospects in 2 different fashions. Do you think it helps Russell and Bryant in the early stages of their careers to be scrutinized as they have by the Chicago media? They are both too talented to not turn out to be legit MLB players, but personally I don't think it helps.

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The difference between running Wainwright out there or some random sixth starter every fifth day for an entire season is at least 8, likely 10, wins per year. Keep the math.


Jaime Garcia isn't "some random sixth starter". He'll be back before June and might do better than Waino would have. It's The Cardinal Way.

Anyway, it depends on "run support".

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The Cards will just bring some other guy up to replace Wainwright. It's just what they do. Next man up.


Exactly. Wainright his hurt every year. And they keep on going.

He's made 32 starts at least the last 5 years

I agree though, Cards will bring someone up who is good.


Sucks about Wainwright. Im a big fan of his (which can be difficult considering the uniform he wears)
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Have a look at the list of pitchers, from MLB Trade Rumors, that might be free agents after 2015:

Clay Buchholz (31) – $13MM club option with a $245K buyout
Mark Buehrle (37)
A.J. Burnett (39)
Trevor Cahill (28) – $13MM club option with a $300K buyout
Jhoulys Chacin (28)
Wei-Yin Chen (30)
Bartolo Colon (43)
Johnny Cueto (30)
Ross Detwiler (30)
R.A. Dickey (41) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Marco Estrada (32)
Doug Fister (32)
Yovani Gallardo (30)
Zack Greinke (32) – can opt out of remaining three years/$71MM
Jeremy Guthrie (37) – $10MM mutual option with a $3.2MM buyout
J.A. Happ (33)
Aaron Harang (38)
Dan Haren (35)
Tim Hudson (40)
Hisashi Iwakuma (35)
Scott Kazmir (32)
Ian Kennedy (31)
Mat Latos (28)
Mike Leake (28)
Tim Lincecum (32)
Kyle Lohse (37)
Corey Luebke (31) – $7.5MM club option with a $1.75MM buyout
Justin Masterson (31)
Brandon Morrow (31)
Bud Norris (31)
Mike Pelfrey (32)
David Price (30)
Ricky Romero (31) – $13.1MM club option with a $600K buyout (actually just DFA'd by TOR)
Jeff Samardzija (31)
Alfredo Simon (35)
Jerome Williams (34)
Jordan Zimmermann (30)

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
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The Cards will just bring some other guy up to replace Wainwright. It's just what they do. Next man up.


Exactly. Wainright his hurt every year. And they keep on going.

He's made 32 starts at least the last 5 years

I agree though, Cards will bring someone up who is good.


Sucks about Wainwright. Im a big fan of his (which can be difficult considering the uniform he wears)

Saying Cubbies. Bad. Rooting for the rival. Good.

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Have a look at the list of pitchers, from MLB Trade Rumors, that might be free agents after 2015:


i'll take cueto. so the problem is what else do you want from the reds for grichuk?

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Have a look at the list of pitchers, from MLB Trade Rumors, that might be free agents after 2015:


i'll take cueto. so the problem is what else do you want from the reds for grichuk?

Fanbase would probably never accept Cueto.

https://youtu.be/kcQkRI8yKyw

During the scrum, Cueto and Carpenter were pinned against the screen... Cueto tried to kick his way out, landing one on the head of Yadier caddie Jason Larue... he suffered a career ending concussion, basically because Johnny Cueto is unable to fight like a man.

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Fanbase would probably never accept Cueto.


ok then, i'd say zimmerman is a solid #2 on that list. if the nats continue their 7-13 spiral to nowhere (please god? PLEASE?!?!?!) then zimmerman will become expendable because they're sitting on roark. if they're in it maybe you can go for roark cuz they'll prolly need an offensive piece or two because i guess it's up to ian desmond to save the universe. either way i just hope that it all works out shitty for the nationals because seriously fuck the fighting walgreens! zombie baseball!

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Marp has started like a house afire :shock:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0

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Fun with small samples:

Marp's pace numbers

.366 / .434 / .634 -- OPS: 1.068

239 Hits
99 Doubles
21 HR
148 Runs
106 RBI

wOBA .453
wRC+ 193
fWAR: 11.9
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WONG-OFF!!!!

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This seems really odd. Extreme fatigue in the first part of May???

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St. Louis Cardinals third baseman Matt Carpenter will miss this weekend's series against the Pittsburgh Pirates due to "extreme fatigue," according to MLB.com writer Jenifer Langosch.

Carpenter did not make the trip to Pittsburgh, according to Langosch. He sat out Thursday's game against the Chicago Cubs and left last Sunday's game early due to lightheadedness.

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This seems really odd. Extreme fatigue in the first part of May???

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St. Louis Cardinals third baseman Matt Carpenter will miss this weekend's series against the Pittsburgh Pirates due to "extreme fatigue," according to MLB.com writer Jenifer Langosch.

Carpenter did not make the trip to Pittsburgh, according to Langosch. He sat out Thursday's game against the Chicago Cubs and left last Sunday's game early due to lightheadedness.

There has to be something else going on...he's played through full season before, playing pretty much every day...to all of a sudden not be able to handle the day in-day out nature of the grind that is MLB...ugh...
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ANY EXCUSE TO GET THE WONGER INTO THE 2-HOLE!!!! 10/18 1HR 7RBI 1SB THIS WEEK!

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This seems really odd. Extreme fatigue in the first part of May???

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St. Louis Cardinals third baseman Matt Carpenter will miss this weekend's series against the Pittsburgh Pirates due to "extreme fatigue," according to MLB.com writer Jenifer Langosch.

Carpenter did not make the trip to Pittsburgh, according to Langosch. He sat out Thursday's game against the Chicago Cubs and left last Sunday's game early due to lightheadedness.

There has to be something else going on...he's played through full season before, playing pretty much every day...to all of a sudden not be able to handle the day in-day out nature of the grind that is MLB...ugh...

I'm not even joking... sounds like anxiety. He loves the gym, bp and all that, but like Eaton, he might be a bit high-strung and doesn't know how to slow down. I'm hoping it isn;t something more long-term serious like a thyroid condition

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Magic Mike wrote:
They had some of the dehydration stuff they’re still trying to get on top of and it really came down to an issue where the medical team saw some extreme fatigue.

Their suggestion was we just have to back off.


I don't think it's coincidence that [this happens while] we're right in the middle of a 20-game stretch. I don't think it's a coincidence that the intensity of the types of games we've been playing or a coincidence [that this is a] guy who just does not back off. It's full throttle all the time. We love how he goes about the game, but obviously there is a price to pay. It's a hard pace to keep up. He's been pushing and pushing and pushing just like a lot of these guys.

Marp is the definition of a grinder. Last two seasons, Marp has appeared in 157 and 158 games respectively.

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@Cardinals

#STLCards vs. Detroit (5/16):
Grichuk RF
Carpenter 3B
Holliday LF
Peralta SS
Reynolds 1B
Molina C
Wong 2B
Bourjos CF
Lyons LHP
10:30 AM - 16 May 2015

Heyward in the 8 hole last night v. a RHP... and now Grit Check in the lineup (and leading off, no less) against David Price.

...maybe Magic Mike is trying to devalue JHey into getting the comp pick or him taking the QO on a "make-good" season... Nah, Mike isn't that smart :lol:

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I found yesterday's lineup exceptionally hilarious, given how I had just read a few days prior that the Cards had finally found their leadoff man in Bourjos...
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I think Jay/Bourjos is the guy this year. Wong seems to hit better lower in the order, and he doesn't walk enough... I like Wong around 6-7. Maybe Holliday and his .449 OBP should lead off... but then Al and Ricky couldn't blab on about his RISP numbers :oops:



On a side note, I posted this somewhere else, but I thinkI stumbled upon Frank over at FG :lol:

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What in the ever-loving fuck was Kozma doing/thinking yesterday? One of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen in MLB.

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I actually passed out by then. What did he do?

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I found yesterday's lineup exceptionally hilarious, given how I had just read a few days prior that the Cards had finally found their leadoff man in Bourjos...


:lol: I quit trying to disseminate Magic Mike's lineup card a while ago.

Here's today's lineup!

@Cardinals: #STLCards vs. Detroit (5/17):
Heyward RF
Carpenter 3B
Holliday LF
Peralta SS
Adams 1B
Molina C
Wong 2B
Bourjos CF
Lynn RHP

I can't even... just run the best 8 players out there, in a random order. It doesn't matter much, but I'm beyond trying to figure out the rationale

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@Cardinals: #stlcards manager Mike Matheny announced that LHP Jaime Garcia will make his season debut on Thursday in start against @Mets

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Apologist wrote:
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I found yesterday's lineup exceptionally hilarious, given how I had just read a few days prior that the Cards had finally found their leadoff man in Bourjos...


:lol: I quit trying to disseminate Magic Mike's lineup card a while ago.

Here's today's lineup!

@Cardinals: #STLCards vs. Detroit (5/17):
Heyward RF
Carpenter 3B
Holliday LF
Peralta SS
Adams 1B
Molina C
Wong 2B
Bourjos CF
Lynn RHP

I can't even... just run the best 8 players out there, in a random order. It doesn't matter much, but I'm beyond trying to figure out the rationale

Holy fuck run Carpenter back out there in the 1 hole if we have Heyward leading off...

...before this year is over, we'll see Kozma lead off at some point.
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