Pace following orders set down from the McCaskeys cost the Bears the best player in the draft

If Pace doesn't trade Marshall to the Jets (for a 5th rounder!) do you think they select Williams with Wilkerson and Richardardson?

No, of course not. They'd take White to complement Decker as he'd be a great marriage of value and need.

Instead of having both Marshall and Williams the Bears are now left with a raw project in White and a 5th rounder. You can say the Bears saved money by dumping Marshall and I'd counter Pace lost his damn mind and spent the savings on Eddie Royal

Lesson is don't listen to the McCaskeys. Pace did. I give him maybe 2 more years until he's fired.

....yeah it's prolly not the first time he's fucked himself so at least he's used to it.

btw, have you ever felt like a sox fan at any point in your life?

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I realize I'm criticizing your sacred McCaskeys Seacrest but look at the message not the messenger.

Trading Marshall to the Jets cost Pace Leonard Williams. Now he's drafted a guy he hopes can be Brandon Marshall.

This is good shit. Pace is another failure, albeit a desperately sexy one with toned washboard abs.

going to be fun watching that raw talent run past your overdrafted safety/cornerback this year

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for the all times we've heard "1985", i've certainly enjoyed hearing "2010" after watching yet another talented team going all the way up to 15-1 find a way to lose in the playoffs to some lesser team whenever some large angry men start going after the conductor of that finely tuned offensive orchestra.

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I'd be wary of a one-year wonder that was asked to run 4 routes in system known to produce NFL busts that plays in a conference unable to play any kind of defense.

It makes me sad seeing you act like this. It's undermining the criticisms of the Sox trolls on the board.

In the chat I advocated Beasley. I made posts in other threads warning picking a WR is the wrong move. I am not trolling here.

I have valid reasons for not liking White.

Last year Rodgers lost to the Seahawks, Lions, Bills and Saints. Three of the 4 have a ferocious pass rush that rattle Rodgers. Getting in a shootout with Rodgers is not the play. Didn't the Bears already try that plan the past two years and spectacularly fail?

Biggs, Gabriel, Pompeii and articles online about White have stated he's a physical freak. You can't teach 6'3 with that speed. However, he's extremely raw and will need 1-2 years to learn how to be an NFL receiver. Isn't that what Emery got fired for? Drafting the athlete over the football player?

When I hear White was only asked to run 4 routes at West Virginia which runs a spread system in a conference that can't play a lick of D that is concerning. Add he's only had one year of production don't you get nervous?

Compare to a guy in Beasley who played in a top-3 conference and produced 8, 13 and 12 sacks. OK, he doesn't play the run. Draft coke machines to take care of that. You need a guy that'll tackle the QB and Beasley was right there.

"Must answer questions about his top end speed?"

like what?

How do you run so fast being as big and strong as you are?

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Jeffery ran a 4.38 40 on his Pro Day. He's never really struck me as a burner on the field.

I hope White is good. If he's as good as Jeffery, I'd be pleased enough. But, I'm not going to hold my breath that he becomes an elite receiver.

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he ran a 4.35 40 at the combine and reported 4.27 in private workouts....not sure who is telling you he isnt a burner....at 6'3+...with 4.35 speed...thats a unique combine.."Average Wiggle" after the catch? he is almost 6'4", he doesnt Wiggle....the guy needs his NFL time, but its not a bad pick...why the pick needed to be made is another issue.

I would be happy to point out the constant issue of the Mccaskeys as well, but Pace did what probably would have needed to be done next year with Marshall.

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Alshons mom had long strides, so in the Jerry krause method of scouting, Alshon also was going to be fast!

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A Cubs fan skeptical of a prospect?

For shame.

Don't worry Ken, I have enough belief in this one for both of us. Jeffrey topped out at 4.38 and he got by defenders plenty in year 1. I think he was a little heavier last year. White is a consistent top speed guy.

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What I notice is Pace continued talk of Jay??? Like maybe here play out his contract here

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Cutler now has the weapons to outgun Rodgers this year. In previous years, Rodgers had the better receiving corps. Bears just need to draft an OT with their 2nd pick and all is well.

you cant get rid of jay. he sucks because he has diatebees. it would be a violation of the american disabilities act

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He's not a physical freak. All of these guys start speed camp the moment the season ends so the 40 numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone who has actually seen him play says that he doesn't play that fast, including Gruden last night. He'll presumably be pretty good, but at 7?


He does not possess elite speed, but he is definitely fast. A true competitor that plays with an edge and a lot of passion, and likes to talk to defenders. A natural hands catcher that does a good job of high-pointing the football. A master of the "jump balls" that showed great leaping ability, does a good job with body control, tracking the ball, and timing his jumps, and uses his long arms to pluck the ball out of the sky. Does a good job of using his big body to "box out" defenders and gain position. A tough, physical receiver that will go over the middle, out muscles DBs for the ball, break tackles after the catch, and is a solid blocker. A very willing blocker that hustles down field to block for teammates, and does a good job locking on to defenders. He also showed the ability to hold onto a catch after a big hit, and jump up unfazed. He keeps his legs moving through contact, and fights forward for extra yards. Does a good job of gaining clean release at the line. Strong enough to fight through most DBs, but also has "wiggle" to shake loose. Also uses his hands well, swiping defenders off him. Showed good overall awareness adjusting his routes when his QB is scrambling, and knocking the ball away from defenders on poor passes that would have been intercepted. His production was affected by poor QB play. Good production in the 4 games I watched, but their were a lot of missed opportunities (QB mainly at fault), and overall production for the rest of the season was not good. Needs to become more consistent. His route running will need polishing for the next level. He had a limited route tree at West Virginia, and was only asked to play one position. He always lined up outside right. He did not line up anywhere else, and did not motion at all. He needs to break down more at the top of his routes. Too high coming in and out of cuts. Not very elusive, and needs to improve vision as ball carrier. Needs to do better job of reading and using his blocks. Strength of hands needs improving. Had a few catches go through his hands, or get knocked out by defenders that should have been caught.. Riley Herechuk, Ourlads' Draft Analyst

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some dumb stuff in OP, makes the terrible assumption that if the jets couldnt get marshall that they wouldnt have made a run at another FA WR or another WR trade prior to draft. at the time of the marshall trade the mariota hype train had not begun, no one had him at pick #2. not a good troll effort, 5/10

I had not heard that ownership got rid of Marshall, I don't believe it...they in never let McDonald sign here if that was the case. Emery fucked us with Marshall..adding more years when there was no need to..it was dumb like most of Emery's moves..how bout the Garza move ??? A week before that moron was fired.

The current NFL is set up for guys like White.. Just be fast n have big hands n you'll be fine..u can't hit these guys anymore...I like the pick

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don't you hate listen to B&B like most of the board does? bernstein championed this narrative since january


um.... mcdonald paid for his flight to meet with the bears and had a heart to heart with George that gave goerge the confidence to trust fangio's idea to sign mcdonald!!! paid for his flight!!! that combined with a meeting surely makes me feel comfortable that the guy cant be a bad guy... right!?!?



i understand why emery signed marshall to the extension... he knew that if he didnt extend brandon (who was entering his last year of his previous deal) he was guaranteed to be a distraction and pouty all season... prior to the start of 2014 they thought they had a chance at actually winning so he bit the bullet to make brandon happy.... but of course 2014 turned out to be a disaster and supposedly marshall was a penis even though he got paid.




i too am excited about the pick... i would have preferred cooper, but white seemingly worked his ass off to get from playing for a JUCO to becoming a top ten draft pick. hope he maintains that level of work ethic.

I laid very clearly why the White pick was the wrong move. I will forgive you when you apologize in 2 years.

and i laid out very clearly in my post how the assumptions made on your behalf are flawed. was this post an effort to get your troll rating higher than a 5?

I don't follow enough college football to make a decision on Kevin White or the other players in the draft. What i do know is Brandon Marshall needed to be off of the Bears for the 2015 season.

I'm just glad we are not Tampa or Tennessee. I don't any part of either of the quarterbacks.

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Williams might be the best player in the draft. Fine trolling effort, but there's no reason to believe the Jets would have passed on him, Marshall or no Marshall.

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Nice detailed response.. Thanx billy

No I don't listen to sports talk anymore.. It blowz, music is much better. I don't believe a god damn thing Dan Bernstein says..he's a hypocrite n a pussy ...that's not a source .

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Still not sure if you're serious or not. But your criticism seems to be that Pace can't see into the future.


And the other ridiculous part of your dumb opinion, is thinking the Bears would prefer to have Marshall around. They didn't want Marshall.

Not only correct, but who would have predicted that assuming the QBs would go 1 and 2, the next three teams would also pass on Williams?

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