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All people need to take responsibility for their actions. If you believe I'm trolling with that statement, the problem doesn't lie with me.

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14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around!



Every person is worthy of redemption.

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even that austrian guy who kidnapped his own daughter and held her in a home made concrete dungeon for 20 years while beating and raping her daily to the point where she had to crawl to the bathroom because she couldnt walk? had multiple kids with her and forced her to write letters so the police thought she just ran away? he even made her do slave labor 14 hours a day while naked and making more dungeon rooms so he could fill them with more of his kids and other girls he planned on stealing.

yeah, he could have been saved :roll:

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14 seems too young to determine someone's life beyond redemption. The brain isn't even fully developed, and as Seacrest pointed out, he wasn't dealt much of a hand to begin with. Just sad and such a waste all around!



Every person is worthy of redemption.

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even that austrian guy who kidnapped his own daughter and held her in a home made concrete dungeon for 20 years while beating and raping her daily to the point where she had to crawl to the bathroom because she couldnt walk? had multiple kids with her and forced her to write letters so the police thought she just ran away? he even made her do slave labor 14 hours a day while naked and making more dungeon rooms so he could fill them with more of his kids and other girls he planned on stealing.

yeah, he could have been saved :roll:



All people are worthy of redemption Ike.

Some people need to spend the rest of their life in prison and are still worthy of redemption.

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eric smith brutally murdered a 4 year old when he was 13 years old. life sentence. every parole board has rejected his plea to get out. josh phillips murdered an 8 year old girl when he was 12. strangled and beat her to death because he thought he was going to get in trouble with his father for accidentally hitting her with a ball while playing baseball in the backyard. life in prison.

it's serious stuff...


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eric smith brutally murdered a 4 year old when he was 13 years old. life sentence. every parole board has rejected his plea to get out. josh phillips murdered an 8 year old girl when he was 12. strangled and beat her to death because he thought he was going to get in trouble with his father for accidentally hitting her with a ball while playing baseball in the backyard. life in prison.

it's serious stuff...



That sentence speaks volumes about the stress that kid grew up under.

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his mom even said it was because of his dad. his dad was a militant. he was scared to death of him. didn't exactly make the girl's parents feel better about their daughter.


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Such a crazy topic. Some things are so brutal even when done by children. There are huge differences between a kid 10 to 12 to 14 and so hard to judge that kids situation and understanding. In general with kids being more aware/mature these days I say 15 should be the lowest they consider charging as an adult. Just a gut feeling.

As for redemption, Seacrest is right. Anyone can be redeemed and seek redemption. They can feel very sorry and all that. They also can accomplish all of that BEHIND BARS.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/controversial- ... d=24710849

4 teenagers, 2 age 16, 1 age 17, 1 age 18 all get 50 year sentences under Indiana's felony murder rule. they were wandering around during a skip school day looking for an empty house to burglar. They break into a dude's house, thinking he's gone for the day and it's empty, and lo and behold dude is home and packing. He shoots one of the kids dead (21 year old Danzele Johnson), so the other all get rung up on felony murder charges for the death of their compatriot.

Interesting that a dude in Minnesota, Byron Smith, got life in prison for doing what the homeowner in Indiana did...[ Indiana homeowner who shot Danzele wasn't charged at all ]

https://youtu.be/r6RGXGgTr6g

comments are interesting. kids had broken into dude's house 10 previous times. jeez. his lawyers must've sucked.


Those 2 cases are completely different.


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Working with kids in this age group and especially those with spectacularly fucked up backgrounds gives you a different perspective.

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Juvenile justice
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Treating young offenders like grown-ups makes little sense
Mar 28th 2015 | PHILADELPHIA | From the print edition

LAST May two 12-year-girls lured Payton Leutner into the woods in Waukesha, Wisconsin, stabbed her 19 times and left her for dead. The girls claim they were trying to appease the Slender Man, a fictional bogeyman who preys on children. Ms Leutner is now back at school, but her alleged assailants are in police custody. In Wisconsin all killers over the age of ten must begin their cases in criminal court, and on March 13th a Waukesha judge decided to try them as adults. If they are convicted, these two girls could be in prison for up to 65 years.

The practice of charging young people as adults gained momentum in America in the 1990s, as youth crime spiked. Between 1990 and 2010 the number of juveniles in adult jails went up by nearly 230% (see chart). Now about a tenth of confined young people are in an adult prison or jail. This is bad for two reasons. It is costly: more than $31,000, on average, to incarcerate an adult for a year. And it tends to turn young tearaways into serious criminals. Young people who are charged as adults are nearly 35% likelier to be rearrested than those who are tried as juveniles, according to the Centres for Disease Control.

Whether a child is judged as an adult depends more on the state than the crime. In Pennsylvania any child accused of homicide must begin in adult court. In Mississippi a 13-year-old accused of a felony will be sent to adult court, but in Alabama offenders remain juveniles until they are 16 (though judges can choose to send those as young as 14 to criminal court). In North Carolina and New York 16-year-olds always face adult courts. When judges and prosecutors have discretion over how to charge a juvenile, they use it unevenly. In 2012 black youths were 40% more likely to be charged as adults as their white peers, according to the Justice Department.

Yet young people are easier to rehabilitate than older offenders, so programmes that keep them out of prison in the first place can save money and reduce crime. Connecticut, for example, once led the country in incarcerating minors as adults, confining 20% more than any other state. But the state cut the number of young people it locks up by more than 75% between 1997 and 2011, by raising the age at which offenders can be tried as juveniles and by arresting fewer youngsters for minor offences. Instead of expelling or arresting rowdy pupils, several school districts now offer mental-health treatment. Connecticut has saved millions of dollars, and juvenile crime there continues to drop.

Since 2005, according to the Campaign for Youth Justice, an advocacy group, 29 states plus Washington, DC have passed laws to make it harder to prosecute and sentence juveniles as adults, and several others are thinking about it.

The Supreme Court has bolstered this change of heart. Arguing that young people have an “underdeveloped sense of responsibility”—no kidding—the justices banned putting them to death in 2005. In 2010 the court struck down mandatory life sentences without parole for minors charged with crimes other than murder, and in 2012 the ruling was extended to all juveniles. Judges can still throw young killers in jail and toss away the key, but they must first take into account the “immaturity [and] impetuosity” of youth.

States are split over whether the Supreme Court’s ruling on mandatory life sentences applies retroactively. Some 2,500 inmates are still serving life sentences without parole for crimes they committed as children, according to the Juvenile Law Centre, an advocacy group. On March 19th Florida became the tenth state to decide that such prisoners should be resentenced; this could affect roughly 200 people. In Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota and Pennsylvania felons who started their mandatory life sentences when young still moulder without reprieve; but the court announced on March 23rd that it would soon consider those cases, too.

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Why are you all engaging with Seacrest and his hypocritical bullshit. Guy is so full of shit why do any of you fall for his shit.

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Why are you all engaging with Seacrest and his hypocritical bullshit. Guy is so full of shit why do any of you fall for his shit.

This post amuses me.

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Why are you all engaging with Seacrest and his hypocritical bullshit. Guy is so full of shit why do any of you fall for his shit.



Shocking chas that you don't like it when white people show any type of understanding towards folks of color.

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To be honest, I was in middle school with a 15 year old kid that brutally murdered one of our classmates, his grandmother and great aunt. I don't think he did.


I could be wrong, but I'd expect that back in the day many would have openly thought to hear how that kid was "off in the head". That would suggest that he had serious mental issues that hadn't been addressed and didn't allow the chance that the kid had any hint of the maturity needed to (legally) defend himself or consider the real impact of his actions.

Extending the violence to (either his own or the classmate's) relatives would suggest that perhaps the kid never had a fair/decent shot at a childhood...or life.

17 year olds may generally be goofy and are legally still children, but I tend to draw the line for being charged as adult at 17, perhaps 16 depending on the circumstances.



The problem with drawing that line is that most kids charged at those ages were forced into adulthood by their environment, and not by choice.


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To be honest, I was in middle school with a 15 year old kid that brutally murdered one of our classmates, his grandmother and great aunt. I don't think he did.


I could be wrong, but I'd expect that back in the day many would have openly thought to hear how that kid was "off in the head". That would suggest that he had serious mental issues that hadn't been addressed and didn't allow the chance that the kid had any hint of the maturity needed to (legally) defend himself or consider the real impact of his actions.

Extending the violence to (either his own or the classmate's) relatives would suggest that perhaps the kid never had a fair/decent shot at a childhood...or life.

17 year olds may generally be goofy and are legally still children, but I tend to draw the line for being charged as adult at 17, perhaps 16 depending on the circumstances.



The problem with drawing that line is that most kids charged at those ages were forced into adulthood by their environment, and not by choice.


Someone get me a fucking barfbag.
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Are you sure that coming across as a chas clone is where you strive to be in life?

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Why are you all engaging with Seacrest and his hypocritical bullshit. Guy is so full of shit why do any of you fall for his shit.



Shocking chas that you don't like it when white people show any type of understanding towards folks of color.


Big difference between showing understanding and making excuses for people that have not only murdered out on the streets, but threatened to do the same in prison on multiple occasions. The guy may have cleaned up his act of late, in hopes of a chance at freedom, but he's done enough inside and outside to confirm his sentence.

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This is such a serious situation n every situation is is a bit different.. I agree with reader ..every situation should be dealt with on an individual basis..Mandatory minimums are not a good approach. But some kids are just horrible pieces of shit ..its a fact, they rape or kill with zero remorse ...sure ..most if the time their mother n father are absent or straight up awful pieces of crap who are terrible parents. However, accountability is huge... Some people are just born bad, by the age of 13 or 14 ..they have killed or raped multiple people .

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This is such a serious situation n every situation is is a bit different.. I agree with reader ..every situation should be dealt with on an individual basis..Mandatory minimums are not a good approach. But some kids are just horrible pieces of shit ..its a fact, they rape or kill with zero remorse ...sure ..most if the time their mother n father are absent or straight up awful pieces of crap who are terrible parents. However, accountability is huge... Some people are just born bad, by the age of 13 or 14 ..they have killed or raped multiple people .

And some people just hit women.

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Why are you all engaging with Seacrest and his hypocritical bullshit. Guy is so full of shit why do any of you fall for his shit.



Shocking chas that you don't like it when white people show any type of understanding towards folks of color.


Big difference between showing understanding and making excuses for people that have not only murdered out on the streets, but threatened to do the same in prison on multiple occasions. The guy may have cleaned up his act of late, in hopes of a chance at freedom, but he's done enough inside and outside to confirm his sentence.


When you understand that not everyone in life had their daddy hand them a business like your daddy did for you, then maybe you can show some understanding to others that didn't get the opportunities that you were handed.

And then perhaps you may develop a smidgeon of gratitude for what you've been given rather than developing contempt for others that that didn't get the same opportunities.

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This is such a serious situation n every situation is is a bit different.. I agree with reader ..every situation should be dealt with on an individual basis..Mandatory minimums are not a good approach. But some kids are just horrible pieces of shit ..its a fact, they rape or kill with zero remorse ...sure ..most if the time their mother n father are absent or straight up awful pieces of crap who are terrible parents. However, accountability is huge... Some people are just born bad, by the age of 13 or 14 ..they have killed or raped multiple people .

And some people just hit women.

This keeps getting posted. What is this all about.
Does this have anything to do with "an accountant and a pussy"?

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Yes.... I slapped a bitch open handed on 35th n western ...she spit in my face ..she was all cracked out ..all I did was try to get the crazy bitch out of the street ...


Fast forward few years in Florida ..me n my lady are vacationing ...she screams ...I come running .. The maid is cleaning the room next door n getting her ass beat...she's bleeding n on the ground ...I broke up the fight..I open handed slapped this crazy hillbilly assaulting the maid...the police arrested that crazy bitch ..I don't give a fuck what redskingreg or dbag think... I got zero regrets n I will slap the shit out of both those cowardly bitches if I get the chance.... Am I a bad guy ??? I don't think so ...n that's all that matters . 8)

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Lemme add ..this hillbilly bit the maid n tried to bite me . fwiw

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Ok. Well sometimes you just gotta slappahoe.

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i had a drunk bitch in a pink tutu try to punch me at a party once. i called her a dumb bitch and she wound up like a mlb pitcher in slow motion.... so slow that by the time she swung i was ready and caught her fist in mid swing. she had a look of shock on her face, then i just threw her to the ground and screamed get the fuck out of here bitch. she started crying and yelling that i punched her.

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