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Zippy-The-Pinhead

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 8:14 pm

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Where's Jub Buechler when you need him?

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IkeSouth

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Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 8:17 pm

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where is joakim noah. my god has he regressed. if he was this year like we know he can be we would be coasting to the finals

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 8:20 pm

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Well Thibs has conceded. And for that I give him credit. Didn't think he had it in him. Should be a fun press conference.

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Mr. Belvidere

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:50 pm

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Why does Thibs let Rose or Brooks dribble? whenever they hotdog, the fuck up. Turnovers kill this team. Stop sucking.

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IkeSouth

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 12:01 am

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Well Thibs has conceded. And for that I give him credit. Didn't think he had it in him. Should be a fun press conference.

thibs is clearly pissed at the non-calls for rose

i didnt really see rose drive much so i dont know, whatever. the refs didnt call anything on both sides

AND WHAT THE FUCK IS ROSE DOING IN THE POST GAME INTERVIEW? JACKING OFF?!?!?!
http://www.nba.com/bulls/video/channels ... stgame.nba

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Don Tiny

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:20 pm

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2456248-tom-thibodeau-has-no-excuse-for-sitting-nikola-mirotic-vs-cavs

Two minutes in Game 1, at the end of the first half. Seven minutes in Game 2, mostly in garbage time.

That’s what forward Nikola Mirotic’s minutes have looked like in the second-round series between the Chicago Bulls and Cleveland Cavaliers that now goes back to Chicago tied at one game apiece.

This isn’t the first time a Tom Thibodeau rotation decision has caused confusion. Those decisions are responsible in part for why his relationship with the Bulls' front office has gone to the place it has. He has his guys, and they’re the ones who are going to get any minutes that are up for grabs. It’s a reality the Bulls have had to live with all year.

Still, Mirotic’s disappearance from the rotation after a successful rookie season is tough to explain—especially in a series where his uses are evident.

“He’s going to be situational right now,” Thibodeau told reporters this week. “But we need him.”

The Bulls have needed him all year. No one else on their roster can take opposing big men out of the paint like he can.

Even with the Cavs as short-handed as they are, they have the upper hand simply because they have the two best players in the series in LeBron James and Kyrie Irving. The Bulls’ best chance to win has always been to wear down James.

A big man who can make James—or one of the Cavs’ bigs—chase him around the perimeter opens up the paint for point guard Derrick Rose to be his most effective and forward Pau Gasol to get more of the open mid-range looks he feasted on in the first game.

The Bulls have that player, and he’s been effective in exactly those situations this season.

Thibodeau, for all the low-hanging jokes to be made about the rigidity of his rotations, has proven himself not completely incapable of change.

He benched backup guard Kirk Hinrich at times in the Bulls’ first-round series against the Milwaukee Bucks and has shown a willingness to roll with Mirotic and up-and-coming forward Tony Snell this season when their play warranted it.

So it makes no sense why, in this series, Mirotic can hardly get on the floor.

Foul trouble for forward Tristan Thompson forced Cavs coach David Blatt to play Kendrick Perkins in Game 2, and 34-year-old James Jones and 35-year-old Mike Miller have seen time in stretch 4 roles in Kevin Love’s absence.

Down by double digits, those are times when deploying Mirotic to create mismatches would make perfect sense.

If that isn’t a situation where Mirotic gets some run, what will be?

Mirotic’s lack of playing time in this series would be more explainable if he was still feeling ill effects from the left leg injury he suffered in the first round. But after missing Game 3 of the Bucks series, he hasn’t shown many ill effects.

He certainly showed none in his limited stretches of play at the end of the second and fourth quarters on Wednesday.

The minutes he got felt perfunctory, even though he was effective, scoring eight points in seven minutes and showing more mobility on the defensive end than either Joakim Noah or Gasol.

Thibodeau not using Mirotic in the first game, which the Bulls controlled end to end, was more defensible. Gasol and forward Taj Gibson had Cleveland’s bigs on the ropes, and there was no need to break up the flow of the game. That’s one thing Thibodeau doesn’t like to do: mess with what’s working.

Unfortunately, he can sometimes be the last person to realize that what once worked no longer does.

The Bulls may have stolen home-court advantage from the Cavs in the first two games of this series, but they still have a very limited margin for error.

That’s the reality against any James-led team, especially for a squad with as many question marks—Noah’s health, shooting guard Jimmy Butler’s fatigue, Rose’s consistency—as the Bulls have.

Love’s injury was exactly the kind of break Chicago needed to have a real chance at stealing this series and finally getting past James in the playoffs after years of not being able to clear that hurdle. But to capitalize on this opportunity, the Bulls need to maximize every advantage they have.

One of those advantages is sitting on the bench, unable to get consistent minutes in the playoffs after finishing second in Rookie of the Year voting.

Whether the Bulls win or lose this series hinges on far greater factors than just the minutes of a rookie big man. However, it’s impossible to look at the way things have unfolded so far and not wonder why Thibodeau has decided Mirotic can’t help.

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 5:27 pm

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Say it ain't so. Someone questioning Thibs rotation patterns. How dare bleacher report question the great Thibodeaux about why Mirotic is not playing. If Paxson decides to make a move it will be because of decisions such as this. No doubt about it.

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312player

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Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 5:34 pm

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Thibs fucked up against the heat by not playing Kurt Thomas.. It cost the bulls a finals appearance. Niko should be getting decent minutes , hinrich sucks...he shouldn't even dress . If the bulls lose this series..thibs can pack his bags. Pax can also pack his shit n leave as well.

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Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 1:19 pm

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312player wrote:

Thibs fucked up against the heat by not playing Kurt Thomas.. It cost the bulls a finals appearance.

Yeah K.Thomas was the reason we lost the Heat series. :lol:

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badrogue17

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 1:38 pm

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If Pax had any fucking sack he'd come down and coach the team himself seeing how easy it is.

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:14 pm

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Thibs is in the top half of coaches. He is in the top ten. He is not a top five coach.
Top five coaches.
1. Popovich
2. Doc Rivers
3. Lionel Hollins
4. Rick Carlisle
5.Budenholzer

It is not completely out of line for Paxson to have some problems with what he is doing. Mirotic should be playing. He has demonstrated that he deserves to play by his regular season performance. Snell and Mcdermott have not made as a strong a case but Mirotic should be playing.

The Bulls have been lauded for having enough talent to compete for a championship. Paxson is criticized by people on this board yet the national NBA types have repeatedly stated that they have enough talent to win. Paxson is the person most responsible for assembling the talent. Why is he criticized so much?

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badrogue17

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:21 pm

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Which one of those coaches is coming here? I'm sure Fred Hoiberg will recognize that the difference between a title and losing to Cleveland is Nico Mirotic

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long time guy

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:49 pm

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badrogue17 wrote:

Which one of those coaches is coming here? I'm sure Fred Hoiberg will recognize that the difference between a title and losing to Cleveland is Nico Mirotic

I don't know much about Hoiberg. He may not be the actually be the guy. The Bulls are not that far away and it sounds like the Bernsteinian like conclusion to the question of "Does Mirotic get you closer to a title". In this case maybe yes. The guy can play. Its obvious.

Cleveland is without two of their top four players for the first two games. The Bulls completely laid down two nights ago. The Bulls series against the Bucks went six games and the Thibs apologist didn't blink. That was a minimum five game series. One of the games that the Bulls won went to double overtime. This is the Milwaukee Bucks. If Thibs is the coach that everyone thinks he is then the Bulls beat Cleveland. Especially without Love. The Clippers Knocked off the Rockets without their best player. Good coaches make adjustments.

The Bulls need more scoring. Gibson nor Hinrich can give them that. They scored 83 points the other night and everyone is harping on the defense. In the meantime Hinrich plays 6 min in the first quarter. Mirotic is a threat. You have to guard him. Rookie or no rookie the guy can play. Paxson has done a good job of assembling talent. They should be able to knock off a Cleveland team that trots out James Jones Mike Miller Dellanova and Kendrick Perkins at various times during the game. Give me a break

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 2:57 pm

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badrogue17 wrote:

long time guy wrote:

If Pax had any fucking sack he'd come down and coach the team himself seeing how easy it is.

Nah, the fourth coach he gets to hire is gonna be the one! And if not, hey, fifth time's the charm!

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 4:29 pm

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Bernstein likes Atlanta coming out of the East :scratch:

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St. Louis Bull Man

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 6:28 pm

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CAVS
PG Kyrie Irving
SG J.R. Smith
SF LeBron James
PF Tristan Thompson
C Timofey Mozgov

BULLS
PG Derrick Rose
SG Jimmy Butler
SF Mike Dunleavy
PF Pau Gasol
C Joakim Noah

Injuries
Anderson VarejaoOUT
Kevin LoveOUT
Iman ShumpertGTD

Man! Is this EVER a must win scenario!

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IkeSouth

Post subject: Re: Bulls vs Cavs:Round 2

Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:20 pm

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both teams look like they played two nights ago or something

bulls got this

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:22 pm

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We MUST win this game! Good Lord!

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:32 pm

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I've really come to dislike Jeff Van Gundy. Pompous know-it-all.

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RFDC

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:34 pm

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No fucking way Lionel Hollins is the 3rd best coach in the league. Thibs is easily in the top 5.

1. Pop
2. Doc
3. Carlisle
4. Thibs

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:35 pm

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RFDC wrote:

long time guy wrote:

No fucking way Lionel Hollins is the 3rd best coach in the league. Thibs is easily in the top 5.

1. Pop
2. Doc
3. Carlisle
4. Thibs

Kidd is better.

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long time guy

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:42 pm

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I forgot to put in no particular order. I would take Hollins over Thibs. There are guys like Kidd that are better.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:43 pm

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David Blatt

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long time guy

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:44 pm

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Mirotic is having an impact already.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:46 pm

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long time guy wrote:

Mirotic is having an impact already.

Serious question - do you think Thibs had a change of heart, read/heard the gripes or GarPax said something?

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:48 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Mirotic is having an impact already.

Serious question - do you think Thibs had a change of heart, read/heard the gripes or GarPax said something?

I think shooting under 40% for the game is the reason e is putting him in.

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:50 pm

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conns7901 wrote:

Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Mirotic is having an impact already.

Serious question - do you think Thibs had a change of heart, read/heard the gripes or GarPax said something?

I think shooting under 40% for the game is the reason e is putting him in.

How do you explain the previous game then?

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:53 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Mirotic is having an impact already.

Serious question - do you think Thibs had a change of heart, read/heard the gripes or GarPax said something?

Hard to say. He is a stubborn guy. It's obvious that the Bulls are going to struggle whenever Gibson and Hinrich are on the floor together. Thibs given a choice will always err on the side of defense. Invariably he will choose the defensive minded guy.

The problem is that Paxson rightfully focused on offensive minded guys during the off season. He went out and acquired guys that can score. He acquired the kind of guys that Thibs doesn't like to play. There was bound to be conflict. You could see it coming a mile away.

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 7:55 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

RFDC wrote:

long time guy wrote:

No fucking way Lionel Hollins is the 3rd best coach in the league. Thibs is easily in the top 5.

1. Pop
2. Doc
3. Carlisle
4. Thibs

Kidd is better.

He is doing a nice job so far, but it is way too early in his career to say he is better.

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IkeSouth

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

David Blatt

exactly

and im waiting for a playoff game to start tonight... this looks like game 1 of the regular season!! all these guys have bricks in their feet....

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