Correct. They need to blow it up, but I'm not sure they even can.

Their biggest issue is they don't have that superstar you need. I think Jimmy's a good enough #2, but so what? What good is a #2 when you don't have the #1? I don't think they can move Rose, so you're kinda boned. Noah's pretty obviously done. Maybe you can move him, I don't know. They need a high pick to get a star, but I don't see the path to doing so, with how bad some teams are.

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Is Noah really done or is it just injuries? He had his best season last year.

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His knee is just going to get worse and worse.

It's NBA Hell time.

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I think whatever Noah has going in is chronic and won't get better. Thing Row in he's getting older and he's going to become less effective each year because of it.

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Noah has Danimal knee disease it seems. Bernsie says he has NO cartilage but he can't know that for sure. I do not recall the full history of his operations published.

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Joe Cowley initially reported it last offseason. Not sure how he'd get that info, but it sure seems to be correct.

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I think Noah got his knee done by a shoemaker on Milwaukee Ave.

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I do not see all the local stuff but I did not think he had a major surgery. Wouldn't be more of just a cleanup if they removed ALL his cartilage?

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The Bulls had two all stars this yr and a guy that is still essentially an all star in Rose. They also had a guy that was second in Rookie of the Yr voting. Does Atlanta have more talent than the Bulls? Nope. Everyone keeps talking about what a great coach Thibs is but other than getting his team to Compete defensively what does he do that is so special. He routinely is outcoached during the playoffs. People with dissenting opinions have provided reasons for their dissent. His offense stinks. His out of bounds plays stinks. His substitution patterns stink. The Bulls don't have much talent but all the NBA analysts types thinks that they do. A number of people picked the Bulls to win the East even with a healthy Kevin Love.

Kyrie Irving admitted to basically being a decoy and they still couldn't beat Cleveland. Lebron James didn't play all that well. He had three very bad games and they couldn't win. The Thibs apologists crowd can make excuses all they want but he has done a very bad job at coaching this yr. He was exposed on a number of fronts and it is time for him to roll out the door.

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I think they got in there and it was a lot worse than they had thought. Going in, it was supposed to be a cleanup and an 8-week recovery. But it didn't go well, and he was barely able to go when the preseason rolled around, 6 months later.

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Oh ok then.

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If any part of the reason that Garpax want Thibs gone ( other than the fact he can only get so much mileage out of the shit roster he's been given) is that they are 'jealous" that only he was getting credit for the team being so 'good" the last few years ( like Goff is postulating now) then they both need to die in a fire.

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If you're in Jerry's front office, you aren't going anywhere unless you quit.

Coach #4 for Pax. Think about how often an executive gets to hire 4 coaches. And this team doesn't have enough talent? Who's fault is that?

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ith-bulls/

The Bulls have long been linked Iowa head coach Fred Hoiberg. However, sources near that situation say Hoiberg, who’s been dealing with heart related issues and had another heart procedure last month, may not be looking to jump to the NBA and the stress level associated with it.

If the Bulls do part ways with Thibodeau, it’s unclear who they would target as his replacement. Sources peg Warriors assistant Alvin Gentry as a serious front runner.

I think there may be some truth to your theory on professional jealously. Thibs has been given a lot of credit for the performance of the team. GarPax has not.

The stuff about them having a shit roster is not valid. They have two all stars on their roster. They have a former MVP that is still capable of playing at a high level. They have Taj Gibson whom I'm not a fan of, but a guy that most people believe is a starting PF, coming off their bench. They have Mirotic #2 in ROY voting. They have a valuable bench guy in Aaron Brooks.

You want to see a shit roster look at Milwaukee's team. Look at Boston's roster. These teams won 10 fewer games than the Bulls. That's significant given the disparity in talent level. Boston gave up probably their two best players and yet they finished only 10 games behind the Bulls.

Thibs shouldn't be given a pass for his lackluster performance. He should be fired. For all of his coaching prowess they were blown out of two games during this series. This was a winnable series. I'm not in favor of Hiring Hoiberg though. If Paxson makes that move and it fails then he should be fired. I'm not understanding why he should be the one to die on his sword when everyone agrees that the Bulls have the talent to contend for a title.

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looks like a shit roster to me. (shrug)

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They've been hurt every year come playoff time. They were blown out because they have guys who cant make jump shots( who put that roster together) . They have zero inside presence without Gasol. Previous years they were even worse. Again, theres not a coach in the league who gets them any further with this and previous rosters than Thibs did. How much longer before Paxson points the fucking finger at himself? After the next coach gets shitcanned without winning anything ?

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Blame God for fucking up Rose's knee. Once that happened it was all over for the next 5-7 years.

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If LeBron and Bosh signed with the Bulls in the summer of 2010, the NBA would have been over. 5 straight championships. We'd be talking about how Thibodeau is the greatest coach in the history of the league. That summer played out differently than Bulls fans would have liked. The 2010-2011 season was awesome and promising. Then a lot of unfortunate shit happened. It is what it is.

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Did the Bulls look like they were well-coached during the play-offs? Seriously. That's the essential question. Yes there have been injuries and some sub-par performances by key guys but still...did they look well-coached? Try hard doesn't cut it when games get real.

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I'm glad that you mentioned that. In the playoffs everyone plays hard. If you don't play hard you don't play. There are credible NBA people stating that the Bulls are two deep at every position. How can you be two deep on the one hand and have a shit roster on the other.

The Bulls were not well coached during the playoffs. There were no adjustments. The offense was predictable. They have shooters on their team. McDermott can shoot. Never plays him. Snell can shoot. Rarely plays him. Mirotic can shoot. Sporadic playing time throughout the playoffs. Dunleavy can shoot. Played him for too much. At the end of that game Thibs rode the same offensively challenged guys that he always ride. Gibson Hinrich and Noah. I'm a Noah fan. Always have been. The injuries are killing him though.

Its interesting that someone mentioned no post presence other than Gasol. What is Taj Gibson supposed to be. He was everyone's favorite Power Forward and he benefitted from a lot of anti Boozer sentiment. I argued about him at length with a number of people around here about his deficiencies as a starting NBA power forward and was mocked and laughed at. Look at him now. He was severely outplayed by Tristan Thompson who is merely a backup himself. The Bulls lost all three games in which he was the starting
power forward. He and Hinrich are epitomies of the try hard Bulls that everyone loves so much. That's not what's going to win championships though.

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Gentry is an interesting name. He's been around Doug Collins, Gregg Popovich, and Mike D'Antoni. He was a long time assistant in Phoenix during the golden years of Steve Nash and company. Gentry stayed through all the Steve Kerr "fuck it, let's see if this will work" trades, the D'Antoni firing, and the Terry Porter hiring. Terry Porter lasted 4 months because Nash and Amare weren't down with playing defense. Gentry steps in and takes the team to the Western Conference Finals in 2010. The roster overachieved in my opinion. But Gentry deserves credit. They beat Dallas, swept San Antonio, then ran into Kobe.

James and Irving may not have played all that well, but neither did Rose, Gasol, Noah or Butler. And Rose is not "essentially an all-star" as you state. He is a shadow of his former self, as are Gasol and Noah. Sorry, guy, but if the best player on your team is Jimmy Butler, your team isn't very good--certainly not good enough to beat LeBron in the playoffs.

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Interesting that management has imposed a gag order on the players today. That seemingly is a pretty clear indication that Thibs is toast.

They better get a 1st Round pick for him though.

Jimmy Butler is an all star. So was Gasol. I don't know how Gasol is a shadow yet he was still an All Star. He also led the NBA in double doubles. Jeff Teague made the All Star team. Rose is still a better player than Teague.

Thibs did a poor job of coaching this team. It didn't start during the playoffs either. It began earlier in the season and carried over to the playoffs.

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Not right now he's not.

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Rose didn't really play that badly during the Cleveland series.
To illustrate what I am talking about you have look at things in terms of the coaching. How much better is Golden State's talent.
Curry is a better player than Rose. Is Klay Thompson better than Butler? Harrison Barnes Better than Dunleavy? Green better than Gasol? Bogut better than Noah? There is not much difference, if any on paper.

There are people on here that believed that Taj was better than Green. It would be disingenuous to tout the greatness of Green now. The problem with the Bulls is that they have 20 million dollars tied up in a guy that is probably their third best player right now. No one could have predicted that this would happen.

That's not Paxson's fault either. Paxson was able to secure Gasol at a bargain price. He found Butler also. Thibs offensive schemes are terrible. Someone should read Sam Smith's ask Sam from yesterday. One need not look any further to see why his offense was so putrid.

He was both offensive and defensive coordinator. He also calls every set. If you are going to do that then it better work. He also refuses to play guys that are offensive minded. That is where the league is these days. I love Memphis but they are never going to win anything playing that style of Ball. I called it earlier in the season. You have to be able to score. You have to defend also. You are not winning anything by playing a style where you are all about defense. Memphis has four good to great defenders in their starting lineup yet they always get beat because they have two guys that you don't have to guard in their starting lineup.

Thibs love that style of basketball. That style doesn't win championships. That's why he has to go.

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Thibs definitely has his shortcomings. But I don't see how anyone can think that a guy like Alvin Gentry would be a better coach than Thibs for the Bulls.

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Alvin Gentry has had some success in the NBA and he is regarded as a solid offensive mind. At first glance there are a number of guys that may not appear to be better than Thibs but that is mostly because they don't have a big name or they are unproven. Thibs is getting out coached by a number of these guys though. He can't or won't make adjustments, either with personnel or schemes. That's the problem.

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