Players and coaches don't win championships; organizations win championships

This organization the way it's structured and it's philosophy won't win shit

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Rosie's column:


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ro ... olumn.html

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Adrian Wojnarowski was on Mully and Hanley this morning. The interview ended with Woj saying that a big reason why this divorce will happen is because management feels they haven't gotten enough credit. The spotlight has always been on Thibodeau.

Cubs pre and post game host Mark Grote (filling in for Hanley) said he knows Paxson and can't believe management feels that way. Grote said Paxson is already beloved here because of the big shots he made during his playing days. It would be totally out of character for Paxson to be envious.

I could buy some of it particularly in Forman's case. Most people don't believe that Forman has any input. That was the perception when he was hired as GM. Now he is overshadwed by the coach. I still in my heart of hearts believe that the Bulls had enough talent to beat Cleveland. A gimpy Irving and No Kevin Love and they still lose. There were people that believed that the Bulls had enough talent to beat a fully healthy Cleveland. Lebron James really didn't play that well during the series either. That will be overlooked by the game winning shot and the fact that his team won. He had at least three bad to terrible games during the series.

I think that Paxson should be allowed to hire one more coach. If he gets it wrong then he should be launched. Thibs has been his best hire but he is not a championship level coach. He can be outmanuevered and he rarely makes in game adjustments, either in terms of personnel or strategy. I can point to about 4 adjustments that other coaches have made during the playoffs. These are adjustments that I know that Thibs would not make.

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Cowley seemed to say this morning that Forman can tolerate Tibs, but Pax can't stand the sight of Tibs.

Cowley also cracked open the door of Uncle Jerry bringing everyone to one room and smashing their heads together. End result of Tibs staying.

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This makes the most sense to me.

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Elections have consequences.

How far away are the Bulls actually? If Gasol was healthy for Cleveland,things might have been different. I was shocked how the Hawks couldn't pull out one game at least. Maybe the Bulls are better than we give them credit for.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I believe that Kevin Love's injury was the worst thing that happened to the Bulls. Worse than Gasol basically missing 4 games. Cleveland instantly became a better defensive team. LeBron not being forced to get Love touches also made their offense more fluid. With all that being said the Bulls still should have won. Thibs underachieved this year.

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Cleveland became better defensively and the Bulls became far worse offensively. Taj Gibson was exposed by Tristan Thompson and the Bulls offense became anemic and far too predictable. The Bulls are closer to Cleveland than it appears. They have enough talent to play with Cleveland. You have Delladanova and James Jones being provided with meaningful minutes during the playoffs. How good can they be?

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I'd like to see teams make an announcement on the new coaching hire , let the coaching vacancies fill , when paxson fires thibs .. Hire thibs and admit it was just a smokescreen . This organization will never win shit . Upper management is clueless and arrogant.

This started with choosing Krause over Jordan-Jackson .

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The Score's inside story now is that the Bulls are going to wait until all other coaching vacancies were filled, and THEN fire Thibs. This buys Danny more time to come up with an excuse for why Thibs will end up staying.

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That'd be something if a team did that.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Thompson outworked the Bulls bigs all season. That's why you wanted Love on the floor. He wasn't grabbing those rebounds at the 3 point line. The Bulls bench disappeared despite Mirotic and Brooks playing a lot of mins for most of the season and Snell late in the season.

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The other hand of this is that Thibs could screw the Bulls back. Take a coach job next year for $1. Have the Bulls pay the balance he is owed.

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Thibs primary problem was that he prefers defensive minded guys. The league is evolving. You have to be able to score. The Bulls scored in the eighties in two of the games and also scored during the seventies during the deciding games. You are not winning anything scoring in the eighties consistently. He also plays non scorers too many minutes. Hinrich should not have played at all this yr. Gibson's minutes should have been reduced. During that series Thompson outplayed him. The Gibson should be a starter talk should be quelled forever. He started three games the Bulls lost all three and they struggled scoring during the games that he started. He is an extremely limited offensive player and the Bulls are not winning anything if he is the starting four man. If you look at the starting PFs of the four finalists they all have starting fours better than him.

Lastly can someone; anyone for the "love of god" stop with the Bernstein like notion that this guy or that guy "doesn't get you closer to a championship". Bernstein doesn't believe anyone other than Lebron James will ever get you closer to a championship. There are a number of guys that can get you closer to a championship. The Bulls have guys on their roster that are better players than Hinrich sitting on the bench. i know someone will come up with the lame response of how does playing Snell and Mcdermott "get you closer to a championship". I can name a number of guys playing in the playoffs right now who have helped their teams "get closer to a championship". These are guys that would not appear to be major guys at first glance but if you watch the games their contributions are immense.

Lebron James is receiving a lot of credit and he should but he hasn't truly distinguished himself as the best player during this playoffs. His team has won but he has had contributions from a number of guys that at first glance would not appear to "get you closer to a championship". This silly ass phrase needs to be retired.

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Well you can blame pax for having that bum hinrich on the team this year AND NEXT !

Thibs shouldn't have played him .

Harden and Curry had a better regular season and Post season than Lebron has.

Taj was hurt, You could pretty much go 1-5 at each position and compare to the bulls and the bulls are worse .

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Bulls are old and crippled. they suck.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

The Cavs are playing well because of LeBron. These same guys sucked with Marshmelo. He makes players around him better. Similar to what Scottie did for the Bulls.

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JR Smith won sixth man of the yr playing with Anthony. I wouldn't call it necessarily sucking. JR Smith's role has changed with Cleveland. He is primarily a catch and shoot guy with Cleveland. He is definitely playing the best ball of his career with Cleveland. James gets a lot of the credit but Kyrie Irving deserves some credit also. JR Smith is tolerable as long as he spots up and shoots jump shots.

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Cleveland's success in the Finals depends on how healthy Kyrie will be in a week. Either way, Golden State wins the series. In the summer, Kevin Love definitely opts out and goes elsewhere. If any of the other 29 teams think JR Smith is worth more than 6 million a year, he opts out and signs elsewhere. Restricted free agent Tristan Thompson resigns for an ungodly amount of money.

Their roster is going to be weaker but they'll still have LeBron. GarPax has to get creative this summer. I don't expect something big but something like Taj Gibson for Terrence Ross - to get more athletic.

They have to put Taj on the block.
He is their most tradeable asset. Not that he is that good but the other guys are untradeable. Whether it's salary age or injury there is difficulty in trading them. He may be able to get you something, that is if the other GM still believes he is a front line pf

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The Bulls had enough to beat this weak ass Cleveland team. With Irving at 50% and Love out this roster has to be one of the worst finalists ever. The Bulls players suck for quitting and Thibs sucks for not developing the younger players into the additional assets he needed to generate offense against Cleveland. Good riddance, Thibs. Have fun cutting short Anthony Davis' career

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Jimmy Butler is the Bulls best asset. It may be injuries but I believe Taj and Noah peaked last season. Their value will never be higher than it was then. They both have expiring contracts so they are tradable. Problem is you would have to pair them with a Butler or Mirotic.

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I agree with Butler but I think management views him as untouchable. Of the guys that are tradeable Taj may be the best asset. His value was higher last yr but you may be able to get a starting three for him. I honestly think that Snell could start either as a 2 or 3 with Butler in the other swing man spot. But if they don't view Snell or McDermott as a starter then you have to trade for one. They can't go into next yr with Dunleavy as the starter.

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JR Smiths stats were better with the Knicks....sometimes all your shit don't stick

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Believe it or not I actually agree with that.

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I find it hard to believe the animosity is purely jealousy based. I'm guessing it's more Thibs being hard headed and almost insubordinate when minutes and rotation are discussed.

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I think the most logical explanation is GarPax is playing poker with suitors of Thibs by forcing them to make a move if they really want him. That means doing nothing until they get a call from a team. That this process may result in those teams hiring other coaches (and thus screwing Thibs out of a job if he's fired) is irrelevant because holding out for a pick is in Chicago's best interest. Thibs is just a pawn just like any player under contract in that his interests are subordinate to those of the team.

The only way holding out is not in Chicago's best interest is if they are then prevented from interviewing a coach they've identified as the best coaching candidate out there (because they have a coach in place). If the pelicans really want Thibs and don't want to trade for him, they should schedule interviews with Hoiberg, Gentry, and whomever else the Bulls are interested in just to force their hand.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Get a pet.

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GO BEARS!!!

No one is giving up a first for Thibs, particularly given how transparent the Bulls have made it that he's gone. This effort to attempt to regain leverage is poor at best though not really a surprise given the players involved in the front office.