While it’s understandable that ownership wants to have final say in personnel decisions that involve suspect character, I think it is better to empower the GM to make this kind of decision and to hold the GM accountable. I think it is counterproductive for George McCaskey to empower himself with veto power over such personnel decisions. His awkward involvement in this matter has eroded some of the accountability of the GM for the decision.

George must have missed the previous 2 arrests in his "well researched decision".

Charges weren't file in either case. But McDonald's run-ins raise concerns. Dan Weiderer Chicago Tribune

That was before today's incident.

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http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/R ... 77321.html

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_19919609

Maybe George doesn't have access to Google.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/fo ... tml#page=1

You can read the actual facts here. I don't think BF will feel like you are cheating on him.

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So the well documented practice of cops picking up black males and then not charging them is news to only two white guys from central Illinois? Shocking to no one I'm sure.

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I assume George will be holding the press conference on this one...?

And while I am not going to get into the public issue of police picking up black males for no reason or harassment...the number of times NFL Players (Black or White) have been detained by police officers, has a very very high % of real issues behind them....whether or not the legal process is enagaged...because as we all know, many times it isnt, for fear of stopping involuntary financial support. If you want to think this makes someone innocent...go ahead....

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So by "he was never arrested," you meant "he was definitely arrested, but never charged."

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Weak attempt there big shooter.

I don't think that makes someone innocent. And that absolutely applies to Greg Hardy in his domestic abuse case.

But the same does NOT apply to Ray McDonald and he is being sued in civil court in one of those instances. And he is suing for defamation of character in a counter suit.

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What I said is that white males from central Illinois may ingest too much methane and may also live in an incredibly tiny and small minded world.

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No business gives complete control to a manager, especially a family business. Also, Pace was smart to go to his bosses to get their approval because if the decision turns out to be bad, he isnt on the hook for it alone. I do this in my business frequently. Getting the bosses buy in is a good idea.

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The Bulls haven't done anything wrong, and they're not going to do anything wrong.

And males who have their nose to far up a football owners ass tend to blindly justify. And also live in a world where that person can do no wrong.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_19919609
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/R ... 77321.html

My apologies. I thought you said he was never arrested before.





Is this supposed to help your defense of George on this one?

Dave, we need the Seacrests of the world to explain to everyone how REALLY SMART PEOPLE justify making their bad decisions.

Wow. Talk about a stretch.

Your guy blew it, Seacrest. Now you're going to turn it into a racial issue? Do you even realize how ignorant that is?

I'm pretty clear here about what I think will happen.

And it's no stretch at all to mention who gets picked up, arrested and never charged more than anyone else in this country. That's just a fact.

So instead of jumping all over someone here, explain to the class why McDonald was arrested and never charged.

And then when you are both done bloviating, since you have never met McDonald, please explain your rational for ripping a guy that was never charged with a crime.

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What's ignorant is to rip someone without knowledge of the facts.

So please respond to the post above.

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McDonald is accused of assaulting woman who was holding a baby
Posted by Mike Florio on May 25, 2015, 3:12 PM EDT

More and more details are emerging regarding the Monday morning arrest of Bears defensive lineman Ray McDonald. And more and more time is passing with his current employer saying nothing.

Via NBC Bay Area, McDonald specifically is accused of “physically assault[ing] the victim while she was holding a baby.” The alleged victim apparently is McDonald’s ex-fiancée, who reportedly had been residing with the child in an apartment paid for by McDonald.

McDonald reportedly asked his ex-fiancée to leave the apartment. He then left the premises and, when he returned, the police had been called. McDonald was arrested at the home of former 49ers teammate Justin Smith.

McDonald’s ex-fiancée also was involved in the August 2014 incident for which McDonald was arrested but ultimately not charged. The 49ers were criticized heavily for taking no action against McDonald. The team then cut him after a separate accusation of sexual assault was made against McDonald later in the year. (McDonald contends that the claim of sexual assault is false.)

The Bears, meanwhile, have said nothing — not even the perfunctory “we’re looking into it” non-statement statement. They’ll be expected by many to say, and to do, something strong in response to this latest incident involving McDonald.

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Yes it is a fact that blacks are routinely arrested in this country for no just cause. That was not what my "stretch" comment was referring to. It was your idiotic reference to "two white guys from central illinois" not understanding the basics of the world. Do you somehow think you are smarter than the Greg or I regarding signing an "alleged" domestic abuser? You're constant defending of the McCaskeys leaves you zero wiggle room on this. None. He was wrong for OK'ing this back then and he is being proven wrong today.

It makes zero difference if he was "charged". WHY IN THE HELL WOULD MCCASKEY WANT TO PUT THE BEARS IN THIS POSITION ????? Ray McDonald is not the difference between winning or losing a Super Bowl. And Ray Mcdonald, suspected domestic abuser, sure as hell isn't worth the risk. As many of us said at the time. Let someone else give him a chance. Maybe you could get Ray a job if it doesn't work out since you seem so deeply concerned about his well being.


And I have never met Ray McDonald. But if I were to look at everything regarding him, there is no way in hell I would ever have signed him. Simple risk/reward. But you have to justify it with some sort of social commentary because George fucked up a two foot putt.

He has not been charged. Nothing to see here. He just needs another sitdown with George to explain himself.

None of us has the info that the NFL and the Bears have.

His former bosses thought he was worth a chance.

The GM he hired thought he was worth a chance as well.

Based upon those facts, I have no issue with the signing.

But, If George OK'd the signing with no discernible plan to help and monitor McDonald then he should be fucking torched for it.

It's really that simple.

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Seacrest....George made the right decision. He initially told Pace "No". Which was the correct thing to do. He allowed himself to be talked into it. Which was the wrong thing to do. High risk/little reward.

It's really that simple.

So do you honestly think that giving McDonald a chance will cost the Bears a single dollar?

Because agreement or not, I don't think it will.

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Two months to training camp, so who cares? Just another body.

It will all be a distant memory by then.

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I dunno man with the league getting the attention that it has for its response, or lack thereof, to domestic violence and it's prevalence among the players you'd think there might be less tolerance for situations such as this.

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The Bears will cut him.

End of story. Except here on the board.

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Bears just released him. Bold, courageous leadership from the McCaskey family.

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Ray McDonald cut. #takingastand

Smart move. Just bail.
Paces feet might be a bit sweaty on that one though. Swing and a miss, strike one.

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