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Caller on ESPN just suggested Jerry picked this day to do it to steal thunder from the Blackhawks win last night . He also suggested that "brothers" don't get hockey and was summarily dismissed :lol: :lol: . His original point may have some merit though.


Wouldn't it make more sense that Jerry axed Thibs today because he knew a lot of attention would be focused on the Blackhawks, thereby sparing the Bulls some embarrassment in light of the front office's egregious incompetence?

Yes, but most of our sports media will find any reason they can not to talk about the Blackhawks. This is as good a reason as any, and certainly a better one than LeBron beating Atlanta.

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This was the way to do it. Don't hold out for a meaningless second rd pick. Everyone knew the guy was toast. They have known since January probably longer. Let him go to another franchise and work his magic. He also wants more control over personnel decisions something that he really hasn't earned here. Maybe that had something to do with acrimonious relationship.

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I think the only guy who got it worse on the way out was the guy who got fucking strangled.


Wasn't Skiles fired on Christmas Eve?

For a guy who can't stop talking about the importance of character, Paxson doesn't seem to have much.





Wasn't the entire Forman promotion really just about insulating Paxson from the media because he is so think-skinned he can't bear to answer a few softball questions from the lap dog Chicago media?

Thats exactly what it was.

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I think the only guy who got it worse on the way out was the guy who got fucking strangled.


Wasn't Skiles fired on Christmas Eve?

For a guy who can't stop talking about the importance of character, Paxson doesn't seem to have much.



He seems like an absolute tool.

Wasn't the entire Forman promotion really just about insulating Paxson from the media because he is so think-skinned he can't bear to answer a few softball questions from the lap dog Chicago media?


Yes. Paxson didn't want to have to deal with the media and the bright lights and all that so he had Gar come in and be his little shield.

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I think it is awesome that they did this on a double header day when Bernsie can't gloat.

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I think it is awesome that they did this on a double header day when Bernsie can't gloat.


BernSTINE getting some sort of weird personal satisfaction out of this is just fucking strange.


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I think it is awesome that they did this on a double header day when Bernsie can't gloat.


BernSTINE getting some sort of weird personal satisfaction out of this is just fucking strange.


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Reinsdorf does not go in hard like this unless he feels he or #Bulls were somehow wronged/mistreated. Last time was w/Horace Grant in '94.


Sounds like Dan himself feels wronged and mistreated too. He must be imagining he's this guy's boss.

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I think it is awesome that they did this on a double header day when Bernsie can't gloat.


BernSTINE getting some sort of weird personal satisfaction out of this is just fucking strange.


It is. He comes off as oddly personally invested where the Bulls/NBA are concerned. I've heard people sound less venomous toward guys who murdered their family members than bernstein does when he talks about Derrick Rose. And now he is taking a victory lap over the firing of a good coach.

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This was the way to do it. Don't hold out for a meaningless second rd pick. Everyone knew the guy was toast. They have known since January probably longer. Let him go to another franchise and work his magic. He also wants more control over personnel decisions something that he really hasn't earned here. Maybe that had something to do with acrimonious relationship.


This ended up being the way to do it. Problem is that the Bulls could have gotten a first round pick if they played their hand better. Getting nothing in return for a top 5 guy is bad.

Thibs clearly didn't like some of the roster decisions and the firing of his top assistant. He does want some more control. The Magic were reportedly willing to give him whatever he wants. He should pass for the opportunity to coach in New Orleans. Their ownership issues could be an issue though.

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I think it is awesome that they did this on a double header day when Bernsie can't gloat.


BernSTINE getting some sort of weird personal satisfaction out of this is just fucking strange.


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Reinsdorf does not go in hard like this unless he feels he or #Bulls were somehow wronged/mistreated. Last time was w/Horace Grant in '94.


Sounds like Dan himself feels wronged and mistreated too. He must be imagining he's this guy's boss.



You mean when an attorney (Reinsdorf) tried to cut a dirty deal with an unsophisticated party (Grant) who said attorney knew was represented by counsel? Mistreated? That was grounds for Reinsdorf to be disbarred.

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I've heard people sound less venomous toward guys who murdered their family members than bernstein does when he talks about Derrick Rose. .


That's the great thing about sports! 100 people die in a flood in Houston and I'm stewing about the White Sox. :lol:

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SomeGuy wrote:
pittmike wrote:
I think it is awesome that they did this on a double header day when Bernsie can't gloat.


BernSTINE getting some sort of weird personal satisfaction out of this is just fucking strange.


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Reinsdorf does not go in hard like this unless he feels he or #Bulls were somehow wronged/mistreated. Last time was w/Horace Grant in '94.


Sounds like Dan himself feels wronged and mistreated too. He must be imagining he's this guy's boss.


Holy shit, he's really carrying the water for Uncle Jerry....the personal satisfaction and lap dog behavior (I bet he gets a treat) ties somewhat back to them both being part of the same tribe. He really running cover and doing preemptive stuff.

Sounds odd but I can't figure out why he's so personally invested in all of this.


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This was the way to do it. Don't hold out for a meaningless second rd pick. Everyone knew the guy was toast. They have known since January probably longer. Let him go to another franchise and work his magic. He also wants more control over personnel decisions something that he really hasn't earned here. Maybe that had something to do with acrimonious relationship.


This ended up being the way to do it. Problem is that the Bulls could have gotten a first round pick if they played their hand better. Getting nothing in return for a top 5 guy is bad.

Thibs clearly didn't like some of the roster decisions and the firing of his top assistant. He does want some more control. The Magic were reportedly willing to give him whatever he wants. He should pass for the opportunity to coach in New Orleans. Their ownership issues could be an issue though.


I don't think he is a top five coach and no one was going to give up a first round pick for Thibs. Regardless of what people may think his reputation as a coach took a hit during the season. The team underachieved during the season. They should have won more even with the injuries. During the post season they struggled against Milwaukee. They lost to a Cleveland team missing essentially 2 of its top three players. They also lost a series in which Lebron James played poorly. Lastly they completely laid down in the most important game of their season.

There is no way he was going to be retained. This Bulls team was extremely talented. Gasol led the league in double doubles and Butler played like an All Star. Noah regressed but there is no way this team shouldn't have at least made it to the conf. finals. Love's injury was a game changer and they couldn't even capitalize on that.

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I wouldn't really say Noah regressed. He was obviously hurt all season. He'll probably never be the player he was.

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This team will be so much better next year when Professor Zoidberg plays Butler 2 minutes less per game

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This team will be so much better next year when Professor Zoidberg plays Butler 2 minutes less per game



The minutes thing didn't bother me but his offensive schemes, herky jerk rotation patterns, refusal to develop young players, and inability to make adjustments did.

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Lebron played somewhat poorly because of the team defense and butler shadowing him . Thibs is probably a top 5 coach , its very unlikely Paxson will get a better coach .

Paxson is an over sensitive and unprofessional jerkoff , difficult to get along with and not real bright . If paxson was smarter he would have kept things quiet and eventually gotten compensation for Thibs.

OK city is probably the best job as far as talent.

I don't see Davis slumming it in NOLA for any longer than he has to .

Orlando is in the East and 35 wins can get ya in the postseason.

I could see Golden St whooping Cleveland's ass and that job opening up.

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WVMP, the home of the Bulls, is hitting Jerry pretty hard (at least Carm and Finfer, Friedell a bit too) while Dan is polishing his knob pretty hard on Twitter, nice.


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This was the way to do it. Don't hold out for a meaningless second rd pick. Everyone knew the guy was toast. They have known since January probably longer. Let him go to another franchise and work his magic. He also wants more control over personnel decisions something that he really hasn't earned here. Maybe that had something to do with acrimonious relationship.


This ended up being the way to do it. Problem is that the Bulls could have gotten a first round pick if they played their hand better. Getting nothing in return for a top 5 guy is bad.

Thibs clearly didn't like some of the roster decisions and the firing of his top assistant. He does want some more control. The Magic were reportedly willing to give him whatever he wants. He should pass for the opportunity to coach in New Orleans. Their ownership issues could be an issue though.


I don't think he is a top five coach and no one was going to give up a first round pick for Thibs. Regardless of what people may think his reputation as a coach took a hit during the season. The team underachieved during the season. They should have won more even with the injuries. During the post season they struggled against Milwaukee. They lost to a Cleveland team missing essentially 2 of its top three players. They also lost a series in which Lebron James played poorly. Lastly they completely laid down in the most important game of their season.

There is no way he was going to be retained. This Bulls team was extremely talented. Gasol led the league in double doubles and Butler played like an All Star. Noah regressed but there is no way this team shouldn't have at least made it to the conf. finals. Love's injury was a game changer and they couldn't even capitalize on that.


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Lebron played somewhat poorly because of the team defense and butler shadowing him . Thibs is probably a top 5 coach , its very unlikely Paxson will get a better coach .

Paxson is an over sensitive and unprofessional jerkoff , difficult to get along with and not real bright . If paxson was smarter he would have kept things quiet and eventually gotten compensation for Thibs.

OK city is probably the best job as far as talent.

I don't see Davis slumming it in NOLA for any longer than he has to .

Orlando is in the East and 35 wins can get ya in the postseason.

I could see Golden St whooping Cleveland's ass and that job opening up.

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Paxson has fired 4 coaches in 12 years.



I wouldn't use that as a measuring stick. Theo has fired two in three years.


The difference is Paxson's coaches made the playoffs....Theo's didn't

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This was the way to do it. Don't hold out for a meaningless second rd pick. Everyone knew the guy was toast. They have known since January probably longer. Let him go to another franchise and work his magic. He also wants more control over personnel decisions something that he really hasn't earned here. Maybe that had something to do with acrimonious relationship.


This ended up being the way to do it. Problem is that the Bulls could have gotten a first round pick if they played their hand better. Getting nothing in return for a top 5 guy is bad.

Thibs clearly didn't like some of the roster decisions and the firing of his top assistant. He does want some more control. The Magic were reportedly willing to give him whatever he wants. He should pass for the opportunity to coach in New Orleans. Their ownership issues could be an issue though.


I don't think he is a top five coach and no one was going to give up a first round pick for Thibs. Regardless of what people may think his reputation as a coach took a hit during the season. The team underachieved during the season. They should have won more even with the injuries. During the post season they struggled against Milwaukee. They lost to a Cleveland team missing essentially 2 of its top three players. They also lost a series in which Lebron James played poorly. Lastly they completely laid down in the most important game of their season.

There is no way he was going to be retained. This Bulls team was extremely talented. Gasol led the league in double doubles and Butler played like an All Star. Noah regressed but there is no way this team shouldn't have at least made it to the conf. finals. Love's injury was a game changer and they couldn't even capitalize on that.


You're the only one that feels this way.


Wouldn't be the first time.

He consistently gets outcoached. Kidd handed him his lunch and before the Thibs apologists come out of the woodwork and suggest that he is better because the Bulls won the series I throw out the name David Blatt. Blatt won the series without two of his top three players. He however is roundly barbecued yet he won the series against Thibs. Two of the games were blowouts also.

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Paxson or Gar should coach the team.


No they should do what good GMS do. Go and find a better coach. There are better coaches out there than Thibs and it will become apparent soon. If Paxson botches the hire he should be fired. I don't think Reinsdorf will ever do that. I can see Paxson resigning before that happens.

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This ended up being the way to do it. Problem is that the Bulls could have gotten a first round pick if they played their hand better. Getting nothing in return for a top 5 guy is bad.

Thibs clearly didn't like some of the roster decisions and the firing of his top assistant. He does want some more control. The Magic were reportedly willing to give him whatever he wants. He should pass for the opportunity to coach in New Orleans. Their ownership issues could be an issue though.[/quote]

I don't think he is a top five coach and no one was going to give up a first round pick for Thibs. Regardless of what people may think his reputation as a coach took a hit during the season. The team underachieved during the season. They should have won more even with the injuries. During the post season they struggled against Milwaukee. They lost to a Cleveland team missing essentially 2 of its top three players. They also lost a series in which Lebron James played poorly. Lastly they completely laid down in the most important game of their season.

There is no way he was going to be retained. This Bulls team was extremely talented. Gasol led the league in double doubles and Butler played like an All Star. Noah regressed but there is no way this team shouldn't have at least made it to the conf. finals. Love's injury was a game changer and they couldn't even capitalize on that.[/quote]

You're the only one that feels this way.[/quote]

Wouldn't be the first time.

He consistently gets outcoached. Kidd handed him his lunch and before the Thibs apologists come out of the woodwork and suggest that he is better because the Bulls won the series I throw out the name David Blatt. Blatt won the series without two of his top three players. He however is roundly barbecued yet he won the series against Thibs. Two of the games were blowouts also.[/quote]
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No they should do what good GMS do. Go and find a better coach. There are better coaches out there than Thibs and it will become apparent soon. If Paxson botches the hire he should be fired. I don't think Reinsdorf will ever do that. I can see Paxson resigning before that happens.


Do good GMs go through 4 coaches in a 12 years?

That's just the tip of the GarPax iceberg that has helped wreck the Bulls.


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Paxson or Gar should coach the team.


No they should do what good GMS do. Go and find a better coach. There are better coaches out there than Thibs and it will become apparent soon. If Paxson botches the hire he should be fired. I don't think Reinsdorf will ever do that. I can see Paxson resigning before that happens.


Do good GMs go through 4 coaches in a 12 years?

That's just the tip of the GarPax iceberg that has helped wreck the Bulls.

Including one of the coaches being Del Negro. who was you know, hired by Pax. :roll: :roll:

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Consistently gets outcoached? Even this year he had a Derrick Rose that was 2 games back from a knee injury and a Noah who was playing on 1 leg. Taj clearly peaked the season before or he was also injured. Throw in Gasol's injury and the suckage from Brooks and Mirotic and this wasn't a great Bulls team. They still should have won but let's not get carried away.

Thibs is considered a top 5 coach and will be great at his next stop. There aren't many coaches better than him.

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:lol: :lol: "We're not going to address specifics on why Tom was let go or who might replace him". Should be a great and informative presser Gar.

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Paxson or Gar should coach the team.


No they should do what good GMS do. Go and find a better coach. There are better coaches out there than Thibs and it will become apparent soon. If Paxson botches the hire he should be fired. I don't think Reinsdorf will ever do that. I can see Paxson resigning before that happens.


Do good GMs go through 4 coaches in a 12 years?

That's just the tip of the GarPax iceberg that has helped wreck the Bulls.


He got the Thibs hire right and Skiles was a decent coach. He bombed on the Del Negro hire. I don't know how he wrecked the Bulls when most of the analysts believed that the Bulls are a talented team. I don't care about the behind the scenes stuff. That's for the Cowley and K.C. types. The team that they trotted out was good enough to make it to the finals. A guy like Thibs would never have made the moves that Kerr made. Kerr made two personnel moves that paid off big time this yr. He placed Green and Barnes in the starting lineup this yr. Thibs would never have made that move.

On paper and in theory they don't get you closer to a championship. No one ever suggested that these moves would get Golden State closer to a championship but they did. Iggy and David Lee were higher paid and more established yet Kerr immediately made the adjustment and never looked back. In Lee's case he was injured before the season and never returned to the starting lineup. Lee is now out of the rotation though he was considered a key cog before the season. That's an adjustment Thibs would never make. He would play it safe and go with his vets.

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